On who are Cadians really based?

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**KingCracker**

Honestly, I dont think any of the Guard are specifically based off 1 army/country. I think they just piece meal each type of Guard from many different armies around the world or from movies.

I also agree that Cadians are pretty much just the generic future human soldier

**EmilCrane**

MajorStoffer wrote:

Bonus points if you can name which nation each soldier represents. Without going to Wikipedia, because that's cheating.

British, American, Russian, Indian, German, French, Austro-Hungarian, Italian, Japanese

Cadians are the face of the imperial guard, so they have to be generic so that people don't see the flagship minis and say "All guardsmen are based off germans" or "All guardsmen are russians", cadians are a baseline that other ideas spring from

They're also a mix of generic sci fi with strong NATO/Western Allies undertones

**KamikazeCanuck**

Melissia wrote:
FinalAnswer wrote:
Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
This is from GW official gallery site, the planet of Cadia:

It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."

So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.

Yeah, believe it or not, Canada isn't covered with snow everywhere every day of the year.
It's sad how many people can't seem to figure this out.

Hell, some places in Canada almost get as hot as Texas summers (but they're usually drier).

Stop your lies. It's nothing but tundra, igloos and rabid penguins up here.

**purplefood**

That's impressive.
All the more so since penguins live in the Antarctic...

**KamikazeCanuck**

That's what we want you to think.

**mad_eddy_13**

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
This is from GW official gallery site, the planet of Cadia:

It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."

So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.

You do know that Canada has very little arctic terrain right? we have every thing from tundra to rain forests (technically) to actual deserts, complete with sand dunes.

But if Cadians are Canadian than that would be awesome.

However Canadians invented fragging (a sergeant got a grenade down the pants during the Somme) so we would be more like a death world company.

**KingCracker**

purplefood wrote:
That's impressive.
All the more so since penguins live in the Antarctic...

Im glad it wasnt an American that said that

**KamikazeCanuck**

Are you talking about me? Do I really have to say I was joking? I was joking.

Mostly I'm just sad that seems to mean people believed the part about the tundra, igloos and the fact penguins can be rabid....

**Inquisitor Jex**

Cadia never lost a Black Crusade that vomitted forth from the Eye.

Canada never lost a war it joined.

easy to see why Cadians are Canadians after all..

**Psienesis**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Cadia never lost a Black Crusade that vomitted forth from the Eye.

Canada never lost a war it joined.

easy to see why Cadians are Canadians after all..

Except the current one. Even if Cadia manages to push the forces of Chaos off the planet, its cities have been glassed, their soldiers have died by the tens of millions, the pylons are wrecked, and Creed's a broken man.

**KamikazeCanuck**

The pylons are are wrecked? That ain't good.

**Melissia**

It isn't good for Chaos anyway, since that'll probably trap them in the Eye.

**KamikazeCanuck**

If it's that simple why didn't the Imperium just obliterate Cadia 10,000 years ago?

**Melissia**

Probably becuase they didn't know what would happen. But old Necron lore stated that the pylons were holding open the Eye of Terror and that they were part of an abandoned Necron/C'tan project to cut off the Warp from Realspace entirely.

No clue what they've been retconned in to now though.

**Da_Boss**

Melissia wrote:
It isn't good for Chaos anyway, since that'll probably trap them in the Eye.

The pylons keep chaos in, not out. Without them, the Eye would spew forth all of chaos, potentially including the daemon primarchs

**KamikazeCanuck**

Pretty sure it's the same.

Even without Cadia the EoT is still porous. I going to go with the theory it basically forces Chaos through the Cadian Gate. Better to know where the enemy is coming from and put him through a meat grinder than not.

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Da_Boss wrote:
Melissia wrote:
It isn't good for Chaos anyway, since that'll probably trap them in the Eye.

The pylons keep chaos in, not out. Without them, the Eye would spew forth all of chaos, potentially including the daemon primarchs

The Cadian Gate doesn't keep anyone in or out. Quite the opposite, it's like the one paved road in a jungle.

**flamingkillamajig**

I always thought cadians looked like starship troopers. Either them or the elysian drop troops are starship troopers or aliens colonial marines. Basically any sci-fi standard trooper.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Colonial_Marines

**Unit1126PLL**

The Cadian pylons make space stable enough to have coherent existence without the eternal physics-shattering (and therefore unreality) of the Warp.

If the pylons were Destroyed, the only road from the unreality to reality would be shattered, and Chaos could not longer move easily from said unreality into realspace, while Imperials couldn't go into the eye of terror either.

If I'm reading the fluff correctly.

**Melissia**

Well not at the eye anyway. There are other warp storms where it is possible such as the Maelstrom. The Eye of Terror is just the biggest one, and the "Cadian Gate" is just the safest and most stable way to leave/enter the Eye of Terror

**Inquisitor Jex**

Psienesis wrote:
Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Cadia never lost a Black Crusade that vomitted forth from the Eye.

Canada never lost a war it joined.

easy to see why Cadians are Canadians after all..

Except the current one. Even if Cadia manages to push the forces of Chaos off the planet, its cities have been glassed, their soldiers have died by the tens of millions, the pylons are wrecked, and Creed's a broken man.

When did that happened? Last time I read about it, Tylok fields was won by Creed and the Cadians, the Chaos fleet was pushed back and the only thing left to do was to whipe out the chaos ground forces who managed to land.

Oh and that one planet they blow up with that Blackstone fortress, but nothing like you're saying.

Source?

**purplefood**

Last I heard Cadia was 60% in Chaos hands...
Space was in Imperial hands but they have lost the majority of the planet.

**The Lost Autarch**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
The pylons are are wrecked? That ain't good.

They should probably build additional ones then.

**Kain**

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
The most common answer is WW2 allies with modern ascetics, but mostly Canadian solders ( probably because Canada and Cadia are not far in names... also the fact that Creed is based on Canadian general ).

But I do not think that this is true, to me at least they look like US army ( with all the regulations, professionalism, even their speech inside military is similar to US army corps ). I watched "We were solders" yesterday, and when I saw how Americans took the hill, form the line and defended themselves with concentrated fire the first thing that came to my mind while watching that was: Cadians!

And I think that they are actually not based on real but rather on fictional military: United States Colonial Marines from Aliens.

What are your thought on this, and is there any official note on who are they based of?

The Cadians are essentially a grab bag of NATO styled armies shot into space with a little bit of Colonial Marine influence.

**Melissia**

Combined with Starship Troopers aesthetics.

They're a real mishmash.

**Unit1126PLL**

Melissia wrote:
Combined with Starship Troopers aesthetics.

They're a real mishmash.

I read that first as "they're a real shimsham" which made me flip out because I think the Cadians are pretty cool.

Then I learned to read.

**Melissia**

Yes, I like Cadians as well, so don't expect to see me openly insult them.

Well, usually. Sometimes I like to troll Kanluwen.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Who doesn't.

**Unit1126PLL**

Melissia wrote:
Yes, I like Cadians as well, so don't expect to see me openly insult them.

Well, usually. Sometimes I like to troll Kanluwen.

Yeah, well, you know. The entire Imperial Guard is made up entirely of regiments who use men like the USSR did in the desperate days of late 1941, and worse.

Y'know, because they're all really gakky commanders and stuff. Spess mahreens are waaaaaaaaaaaay cooler because they do things and stuff.

/sarcasm

**Seaward**

I see the Canadian link, now that I think about it.

Cadians, after all, are ruthless fascists. They're from the single most important planet in the Imperium outside of Terra itself. Their entire culture is devoted to war. Their soldiers are the ones everyone else looks up to, and their special operations forces are the most high-profile and galaxy-renowned in the Gothic-speaking diaspora.

If that doesn't sound like Canada in space, I don't know what does.

**Unit1126PLL**

Seaward wrote:
I see the Canadian link, now that I think about it.

Cadians, after all, are ruthless ~~fascists~~ Stalinists. They're from the single most important planet in the Imperium outside of Terra itself. Their entire culture is devoted to war. Their soldiers are the ones everyone else looks up to, and their special operations forces are the most high-profile and galaxy-renowned in the Gothic-speaking diaspora.

If that doesn't sound like Canada in space, I don't know what does.

Fixed that for you. I doubt the Cadians would tolerate capitalism getting in the way of efficient military operations!