The Existance of Psykers in Our Time

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**Dracoknight**

Scary thing is that this discussion is actually valid as a discussion, even tho one of the sides is more or less talking out of their arse...

As for the goverment putting cash into psykers? actually yes they did study it for a little while and discontinued it because of lack of results. However some nuts still cant take no for a answer and use goverment issued money on quacks. ( "hey i am doing "science" give me cash )

Also, this video put things into perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgN7a_vdIIc

Added:
"looking it up" and "google it" is kinda bad arguments, because on the internet there is thousands of sources of outright bs that is hailed apon like its the truth, and another argument is that when you are looking for "information" you tend to stick to the side that you agree with, would you look over the pages that utterly disprove whatever you were searching for? Most likely not.

Thats my friends is "information bias" one of the major contributors to why approx 76 people died july 21st 2011 in norway, because a conspiracy nut believed there was a "political war" going on here, and he wanted to take the first step by bombing the political office, and then murder a island full of young politicans on a camp "getting rid of the recruitment of the enemy" as he stated, and then he believed he could through the trial system bring out his message and corrupt his way through the police...

Check your sources, twice, triple or quad because most "psudoscience" never put out anything that is vaguely relevant at all: "aaaah! a lamp moved a inch! it must be ghosts!"....

**karandras15**

All I am saying is that if the scientific method is used, and evidence contrary to the norm is found, by people that run departments in elite major universities...

Then you say it is BS...who is the conspiracy theorist...can you believe anything you cannot prove yourself...which brings me back to my original argument...

Go find out for yourself...or you can disregard.

At the beginning of the thread people were saying so matter of factly that it is a complete fairy tale, and now some internet badasses are dismissing findings from people that have far more experience that any of us.

Don't hold your paradigms so tightly that all you think you have is 20 cents... it's OK if you don't know about things, but don't blast the messenger.

**Yodhrin**

Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
In terms of the fluff I think yes, there probably were psykers much earlier on in human history, just fewer of them. Not only due to there being less of them as they evolved but also because they would either be in hiding from people who didn't understand or killed be either themselves or others who feared them.

In terms of real life, no I don't think there are anything resembling psykers. Even if such abilities are possible (and i'm not saying there are), I don't think the human race has been around long enough for many people to evolve with such abilities, let alone learn control.

To just say a bit about what the rest of the thread has discussed, i do think there are unexplainable things, I just don't think we can currently comprehend how to explain them. I won't use quantum as an example because that isn't my field of study but biology, yes. To go back to an earlier example, sharks abilities to sense the electromagnetic fields of other organisms. That would be an example of something that may seem extrasensory but its just evolution making the shark an even better predator. I think, as long as we don't kill ourselves off in the next few thousand years, it may be possible for humans to gain these abilities, through natural evolution or through genetic engineering. It may not benefit us as predators like sharks but with our ever expanding and growing high tech culture, wouldn't it be great to "see" electromagnetic fields and be able to manipulate them, instead of typing on a keyboard? It may not be shooting lighting but I do believe it is possible.

Sorry if this is a bit rambly, I'm trying to study for a test while reading through this post and may have just repeated something someone already said

You can actually gain an EM-sense of a sort right now, if you're up for a wee bit of self-mutilation. I'll try and dig up the link, but there's a Biohacker here in Scotland who used heavy-gauge needles to implant small neodynium magnets coated in a bio-neutral material into his fingertips, so that now he can "feel the shape" of EM fields around electrical devices, and even detect wiring in walls. There was also an interesting paper I read a while back that discussed using a targeted rodent retrovirus to introduce genetic material from a bird(I forget which one, perhaps a pidgeon?) into the human eye, which would extend human vision into the nearest ultraviolet parts of the spectrum.

These things aren't mystical, they're science, and as someone who finds Transhumanism an appealing idea I fully support investigating all ideas, even the whackiest of the whacky, in case they could provide us with some future benefit. The issue is that some people in this thread are dressing up in a cloak of optimism and awe in order to give credence to ideas which have already been discredited, or which have failed to prove themselves so often that they're no longer worthy of consideration until the proponents of those ideas have come up with some new data. Others beg the question and appeal to authority in order to justify their conspiratorial ramblings, while implying that being skeptical of a thing which has never been proven to exist, and which stands in opposition to much other well-validated knowledge, is actually being closed-minded.

Kudos though to you, karandras, at least you managed to compose several whole sentences without using the term "sheeple", which is more than most conspiracy nuts can manage.

**Griddlelol**

karandras15 wrote:

Go find out for yourself...or you can disregard.

This is not how science works. I find it hard to believe you even know what the scientific method when you resort to such childish things as this. If evidence exists, you would post it.

You don't read a paper and see the researcher say "go look it up yourself" instead of citing their source. They'd be laughed at.

**karandras15**

In casual conversation, people that cite sources are douchebags...I don't need to prove anything...

**Dracoknight**

karandras15 wrote:
In casual conversation, people that cite sources are douchebags...I don't need to prove anything...

When you claim something, the burden of proof is on you.
"Prove to disprove me" is not an option.

As a example:
"I have a ball"
"prove it"
"you cant prove that i dont!"

**karandras15**

I didn't claim anything...go back and read my posts

Therefore the burden of proof is not on me.

**Melissia**

karandras15 wrote:
I didn't claim anything...

You claimed that the official reports were wrong.

That or you're utterly incompetent with the English language and don't understand the insinuation that comes with putting the term official in quotes like that, but either way I'm assuming incompetence on your part so I honestly have no preference when explaining your actions at this point.

karandras15 wrote:
In casual conversation, people that cite sources are douchebags...

This isn't casual conversation.

And you shouldn't be the one to toss around terms like "douchebag" when you've attempted to claim that you aren't insulting people (despite throwing constant insults). At least be consistent in your nonsense.

**Dracoknight**

karandras15 wrote:
You are not authorized to view most results of the scientific proof, but the "official" statement is that the information gathered proves remote viewing is not consistently accurate or specific for intelligence use...

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I never revealed any personal beliefs...? You are taking leaps of assumption and being dramatic...that is the official release from military research on the subject for 30 years...

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You should begin a research project to study psychic phenomenon. Then you will have your proof...
Until then, you will need to get a security clearance, join either a military branch, of get hired by a gateway research nonprofit like AIR.

But you will probably keep asking for others to feed you information as a child seeks it's mother's teet.

-

But the federal government sure put some cash into it, along with Doctors from various fields, military quacks and massive federal defense contractors.

I see a lot of claims and no confirmation of any of these.
Links? Documents? Videos?
You havent ONCE given a vague argument for any of your claims and statements so far.

**karandras15**

I never claimed it was wrong...it merely focused it's response on psychic use for intelligence purposes... it is not all inclusive of everything discovered, hence the definition of the word "report".

You can discredit the report if you wish, but it is there.

This is a casual conversation to me...it's guys discussing psykers on a message board...I never went to the excitable level.

If you were misled by the use of the quotations and that is the direction you wish to take this conversation, then fine.

I am more eager to hear you tear down the credibility of those that participated in and wrote the report...you sound like the man for the job.

**Griddlelol**

I suppose giving references when asked for them is far less polite than continuing to avoid such sources.

**karandras15**

I've given them in context clues...Melissia has sought out some things I've mentioned and derived his own conclusions...and I respect his opinion on the matter now that he's peeled the onion back a layer or two.

The majestic onion...

**Griddlelol**

I think you drastically underestimate peoples' knowledge on this subject. Many people have heard of these experiments, and that no conclusive evidence was found.

Really, I find the whole thing rather boring. Until someone comes out with hard evidence, I'll continue to not believe in magic. As will all rational people.

**Hive Fleet Lazarus**

Yodhrin wrote:
Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
In terms of the fluff I think yes, there probably were psykers much earlier on in human history, just fewer of them. Not only due to there being less of them as they evolved but also because they would either be in hiding from people who didn't understand or killed be either themselves or others who feared them.

In terms of real life, no I don't think there are anything resembling psykers. Even if such abilities are possible (and i'm not saying there are), I don't think the human race has been around long enough for many people to evolve with such abilities, let alone learn control.

To just say a bit about what the rest of the thread has discussed, i do think there are unexplainable things, I just don't think we can currently comprehend how to explain them. I won't use quantum as an example because that isn't my field of study but biology, yes. To go back to an earlier example, sharks abilities to sense the electromagnetic fields of other organisms. That would be an example of something that may seem extrasensory but its just evolution making the shark an even better predator. I think, as long as we don't kill ourselves off in the next few thousand years, it may be possible for humans to gain these abilities, through natural evolution or through genetic engineering. It may not benefit us as predators like sharks but with our ever expanding and growing high tech culture, wouldn't it be great to "see" electromagnetic fields and be able to manipulate them, instead of typing on a keyboard? It may not be shooting lighting but I do believe it is possible.

Sorry if this is a bit rambly, I'm trying to study for a test while reading through this post and may have just repeated something someone already said

You can actually gain an EM-sense of a sort right now, if you're up for a wee bit of self-mutilation. I'll try and dig up the link, but there's a Biohacker here in Scotland who used heavy-gauge needles to implant small neodynium magnets coated in a bio-neutral material into his fingertips, so that now he can "feel the shape" of EM fields around electrical devices, and even detect wiring in walls. There was also an interesting paper I read a while back that discussed using a targeted rodent retrovirus to introduce genetic material from a bird(I forget which one, perhaps a pidgeon?) into the human eye, which would extend human vision into the nearest ultraviolet parts of the spectrum.

These things aren't mystical, they're science, and as someone who finds Transhumanism an appealing idea I fully support investigating all ideas, even the whackiest of the whacky, in case they could provide us with some future benefit. The issue is that some people in this thread are dressing up in a cloak of optimism and awe in order to give credence to ideas which have already been discredited, or which have failed to prove themselves so often that they're no longer worthy of consideration until the proponents of those ideas have come up with some new data. Others beg the question and appeal to authority in order to justify their conspiratorial ramblings, while implying that being skeptical of a thing which has never been proven to exist, and which stands in opposition to much other well-validated knowledge, is actually being closed-minded.

Kudos though to you, karandras, at least you managed to compose several whole sentences without using the term "sheeple", which is more than most conspiracy nuts can manage.

I've heard of thing like the retrovirus before but the biohacker is new. That whole concept makes a lot of sense, especially since he would be able to sense fields and not just the wire as copper isn't magnetic. Currently a friend and I are looking into regeneration of human limbs but having a bit of trouble. Though if you could find the art Ike, that would be awesome. I also agree to investigate all ideas but when evidence shows that its wrong to accept it. I believe the definition of madness is repeating a process again and again the same way but expecting different results.

Karandras, I was wondering, how big of an onion are we talking? Because I'm really hungry right and and have access to an industrial fryer. Could do up a batch of onion rings quick.....

**karandras15**

Griddlelol wrote:
I think you drastically underestimate peoples' knowledge on this subject. Many people have heard of these experiments, and that no conclusive evidence was found.

Really, I find the whole thing rather boring. Until someone comes out with hard evidence, I'll continue to not believe in magic. As will all rational people.

There were conclusions made, which diametrically opposes what you are saying. You may not agree, and you may call them quacks, but that's for you to take the authors of the reports to task over.
But I'm not here to shatter any belief system. Those that wish to know more will find it. Those satisfied with the status quo will continue to be satisfied.

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Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
In terms of the fluff I think yes, there probably were psykers much earlier on in human history, just fewer of them. Not only due to there being less of them as they evolved but also because they would either be in hiding from people who didn't understand or killed be either themselves or others who feared them.

In terms of real life, no I don't think there are anything resembling psykers. Even if such abilities are possible (and i'm not saying there are), I don't think the human race has been around long enough for many people to evolve with such abilities, let alone learn control.

To just say a bit about what the rest of the thread has discussed, i do think there are unexplainable things, I just don't think we can currently comprehend how to explain them. I won't use quantum as an example because that isn't my field of study but biology, yes. To go back to an earlier example, sharks abilities to sense the electromagnetic fields of other organisms. That would be an example of something that may seem extrasensory but its just evolution making the shark an even better predator. I think, as long as we don't kill ourselves off in the next few thousand years, it may be possible for humans to gain these abilities, through natural evolution or through genetic engineering. It may not benefit us as predators like sharks but with our ever expanding and growing high tech culture, wouldn't it be great to "see" electromagnetic fields and be able to manipulate them, instead of typing on a keyboard? It may not be shooting lighting but I do believe it is possible.

Sorry if this is a bit rambly, I'm trying to study for a test while reading through this post and may have just repeated something someone already said

You can actually gain an EM-sense of a sort right now, if you're up for a wee bit of self-mutilation. I'll try and dig up the link, but there's a Biohacker here in Scotland who used heavy-gauge needles to implant small neodynium magnets coated in a bio-neutral material into his fingertips, so that now he can "feel the shape" of EM fields around electrical devices, and even detect wiring in walls. There was also an interesting paper I read a while back that discussed using a targeted rodent retrovirus to introduce genetic material from a bird(I forget which one, perhaps a pidgeon?) into the human eye, which would extend human vision into the nearest ultraviolet parts of the spectrum.

These things aren't mystical, they're science, and as someone who finds Transhumanism an appealing idea I fully support investigating all ideas, even the whackiest of the whacky, in case they could provide us with some future benefit. The issue is that some people in this thread are dressing up in a cloak of optimism and awe in order to give credence to ideas which have already been discredited, or which have failed to prove themselves so often that they're no longer worthy of consideration until the proponents of those ideas have come up with some new data. Others beg the question and appeal to authority in order to justify their conspiratorial ramblings, while implying that being skeptical of a thing which has never been proven to exist, and which stands in opposition to much other well-validated knowledge, is actually being closed-minded.

Kudos though to you, karandras, at least you managed to compose several whole sentences without using the term "sheeple", which is more than most conspiracy nuts can manage.

I've heard of thing like the retrovirus before but the biohacker is new. That whole concept makes a lot of sense, especially since he would be able to sense fields and not just the wire as copper isn't magnetic. Currently a friend and I are looking into regeneration of human limbs but having a bit of trouble. Though if you could find the art Ike, that would be awesome. I also agree to investigate all ideas but when evidence shows that its wrong to accept it. I believe the definition of madness is repeating a process again and again the same way but expecting different results.

Karandras, I was wondering, how big of an onion are we talking? Because I'm really hungry right and and have access to an industrial fryer. Could do up a batch of onion rings quick.....

I could use a blooming onion.

**GreySkull**

Yodhrin wrote:
GreySkull wrote:
The OP asks valid questions. And dangerous ones. IF such people existed, what do you think the "Powers that Be" would do? Round them up? Attempt to bring them under control? Or if they couldn't do that, kill them? Yes. Those in positions of power will do whatever they can to keep it and that includes controlling and/or killing those with psychic ability. Can you even begin to imagine what a government would do with a person or group of people that could wield that kind of power? They could use them spy on not just their enemies, but their own populace as well. They would have yet another tool of control to use against their own people. If someone spoke out against the government, they could use a psychic to change the perceptions of the speaker or, worse yet, the audience to view that person as a traitor.

If I had psychic ability I'd keep it hidden as I don't want my government getting a hold on such power and using me to hurt others. It would only be the smart thing to do as every government on the planet is only worried about maintaining their power and controlling their people. Even though it's just a game, the Emperor said it first: it's a dangerous ability. And for all the reasons I just gave.

And for dessert: has anyone ever read about Edward Casey? I suggest you do because that man was amazing. He had to hire guards to stand outside his hotel rooms because people would come in and, while he was sleeping, ask him about horse races. That John Edwards is a charlatan.

Do you mean Edgar Cayce, the racist crackpot fraud who claimed that he received psychic knowledge that humanity was simultaneously and spontaneously created as five distinct races(white, black, brown, red, and yellow), and that "red people"(referring to Native Americans one assumes) are in fact the descendents of Atlanteans? The man who claimed that Atlantis was destroyed by a "Death Ray" which the USA would find, according to his skryings? The man who claimed he spoke to angels as a child, who supported alternative quackery(because as someone has already mentioned; alternative medicine that works is called "medicine", and who routinely couched his predictions in terms of "perhaps" and "I feel like"?

Yes, amazing indeed

Mythra wrote:
How do explain the link between mothers and children. I remember when I brother got hit by a car my mom knew he was hurt. On the way up to college someone called my mom and said me and my dad had been in a car wreck and were in the morg in TX and she had to come claim the bodies. My mom said no sorry I would have known. I had a really bad night at college and my mom called the next day to pull me out.

Is there a connection between living things. I believe so. Do people have an aura or electrical fields? Can these fields connect us? Can you you really say you know the answer to that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY745NxZwsY

There is the unexplained. some people have abilities others don't. I mean that guy can take voltage that would kill me or you.

Have you read the governments experiments with far seeing? Useful no. interesting I think so. I had read experiments that certain people defy probabilities w/ dice rolling or random chance. Is it just random luck or is there some gift that people have for rolling dice? I know gamers who roll bad all the time and others who roll far above average all the time.

Do we truly understand the human brain?

To begin with your questions: Of course people have an electric field, bioelectricity is well known and understood, and it has knob-all to do with psychic mumbo-jumbo. I have read of the government's experiments with "far seeing", they were complete failures, to the point that comedy films have been made about them. It is just random "luck"(rather chance, since luck implies positive gain); if statistically unlikely events never happened, they wouldn't be unlikely, they'd be impossible.

Do we truly understand the human brain? Not completely no, but the pertinent question is; has any of the substantial knowledge we've gathered about the human brain so far suggested that it could provide people with supernatural abilities? No.

You talk about people who "know" that relatives are in pain/danger/etc, but the great likelihood is they didn't "know" anything, consider; do you get a "spooky" feeling when you think of someone, then that person immediately calls you on the phone? That's an example of Confirmation Bias, specifically selective memory. For every occasion on which you thought of someone and they immediately called you, there were dozens, perhaps hundreds of occasions on which you thought of them but they didn't call you. But you don't remember those occasions specifically, so you assign special meaning when the "unlikely" sequence of events of "thought of person > person called" occurs. The same is likely true in the case of your "connection" idea; how often do we worry about the people we care for? Often, often enough that statistically speaking the chances that a person will have a worrying thought about a loved one at the same time that loved one is actually in an accident is essentially 1 in 1, given enough people and enough time.

Human beings do have some amazing abilities; pattern recognition, for example. Sadly, those abilities often lead us to make flawed judgements based on biased recollections and incomplete information, and so our species is blighted by psychics and charlatans.

What is it with you man? Okay, I got his name half right and then you jump down my throat about the rest? You have a serious attitude problem and you need to curb it. I don't come here to have my questions and topics ragged on and several of you have done this. Consider yourself reported.

**Mountain-Breaker**

Interesting theories. But yeah you may want to take a break from work haha.... Though of course there are theories kf people who could bend there own minds and those lf otgers through a strange mastery of psychology. For example, Bruce Lee mastered the ability of energy. He could literally alter energy within his body, and focus it all in one punch, strike or hit creating mass amounts of energy focused in one area that could then be refocused if needed. Mozart was blind, but created some of the greatest classicsl pieces of all time. Explorers like the Celts, Vikings, and ancient Chinese, went so far as to wonder of other civilizations and go beyond their own known lands to find them.

I dont know about literal Psykers as awsome as that would be. But certainly there are certain mental capacities the human mind is capable of, that may be above that of average or greater than that.

**Yodhrin**

GreySkull wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
GreySkull wrote:
The OP asks valid questions. And dangerous ones. IF such people existed, what do you think the "Powers that Be" would do? Round them up? Attempt to bring them under control? Or if they couldn't do that, kill them? Yes. Those in positions of power will do whatever they can to keep it and that includes controlling and/or killing those with psychic ability. Can you even begin to imagine what a government would do with a person or group of people that could wield that kind of power? They could use them spy on not just their enemies, but their own populace as well. They would have yet another tool of control to use against their own people. If someone spoke out against the government, they could use a psychic to change the perceptions of the speaker or, worse yet, the audience to view that person as a traitor.

If I had psychic ability I'd keep it hidden as I don't want my government getting a hold on such power and using me to hurt others. It would only be the smart thing to do as every government on the planet is only worried about maintaining their power and controlling their people. Even though it's just a game, the Emperor said it first: it's a dangerous ability. And for all the reasons I just gave.

And for dessert: has anyone ever read about Edward Casey? I suggest you do because that man was amazing. He had to hire guards to stand outside his hotel rooms because people would come in and, while he was sleeping, ask him about horse races. That John Edwards is a charlatan.

Do you mean Edgar Cayce, the racist crackpot fraud who claimed that he received psychic knowledge that humanity was simultaneously and spontaneously created as five distinct races(white, black, brown, red, and yellow), and that "red people"(referring to Native Americans one assumes) are in fact the descendents of Atlanteans? The man who claimed that Atlantis was destroyed by a "Death Ray" which the USA would find, according to his skryings? The man who claimed he spoke to angels as a child, who supported alternative quackery(because as someone has already mentioned; alternative medicine that works is called "medicine", and who routinely couched his predictions in terms of "perhaps" and "I feel like"?

Yes, amazing indeed

Mythra wrote:
How do explain the link between mothers and children. I remember when I brother got hit by a car my mom knew he was hurt. On the way up to college someone called my mom and said me and my dad had been in a car wreck and were in the morg in TX and she had to come claim the bodies. My mom said no sorry I would have known. I had a really bad night at college and my mom called the next day to pull me out.

Is there a connection between living things. I believe so. Do people have an aura or electrical fields? Can these fields connect us? Can you you really say you know the answer to that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY745NxZwsY

There is the unexplained. some people have abilities others don't. I mean that guy can take voltage that would kill me or you.

Have you read the governments experiments with far seeing? Useful no. interesting I think so. I had read experiments that certain people defy probabilities w/ dice rolling or random chance. Is it just random luck or is there some gift that people have for rolling dice? I know gamers who roll bad all the time and others who roll far above average all the time.

Do we truly understand the human brain?

To begin with your questions: Of course people have an electric field, bioelectricity is well known and understood, and it has knob-all to do with psychic mumbo-jumbo. I have read of the government's experiments with "far seeing", they were complete failures, to the point that comedy films have been made about them. It is just random "luck"(rather chance, since luck implies positive gain); if statistically unlikely events never happened, they wouldn't be unlikely, they'd be impossible.

Do we truly understand the human brain? Not completely no, but the pertinent question is; has any of the substantial knowledge we've gathered about the human brain so far suggested that it could provide people with supernatural abilities? No.

You talk about people who "know" that relatives are in pain/danger/etc, but the great likelihood is they didn't "know" anything, consider; do you get a "spooky" feeling when you think of someone, then that person immediately calls you on the phone? That's an example of Confirmation Bias, specifically selective memory. For every occasion on which you thought of someone and they immediately called you, there were dozens, perhaps hundreds of occasions on which you thought of them but they didn't call you. But you don't remember those occasions specifically, so you assign special meaning when the "unlikely" sequence of events of "thought of person > person called" occurs. The same is likely true in the case of your "connection" idea; how often do we worry about the people we care for? Often, often enough that statistically speaking the chances that a person will have a worrying thought about a loved one at the same time that loved one is actually in an accident is essentially 1 in 1, given enough people and enough time.

Human beings do have some amazing abilities; pattern recognition, for example. Sadly, those abilities often lead us to make flawed judgements based on biased recollections and incomplete information, and so our species is blighted by psychics and charlatans.

What is it with you man? Okay, I got his name half right and then you jump down my throat about the rest? You have a serious attitude problem and you need to curb it. I don't come here to have my questions and topics ragged on and several of you have done this. Consider yourself reported.

Reported for what, responding to your assertion that a racist fraud is "amazing" by listing some of the man's many flaws and delusions? If you're unwilling to have your views examined and potentially criticized, might I suggest you don't air them on a public discussion forum, then invite people to investigate them?

**BattleCapIronblood**

Hmm, yes. And how does it make you feel?

Doesn't bother you he doesn't look at you in the eyes?

Have you tried role reversal?

**Roadkill Zombie**

Have any of the people claiming psychic powers don't exist ever heard of a martial art organization called the Bujinkan Dojo? It is the art of the Ninja from Japan. The Grandmaster Maasaki Hatsumi can and has proven that he can sense when someone is going to attack him and move his body completely out of the way of an attack. Even if being attacked from behind.

As the fifth Dan test, they sit you down in Japan with Grandmaster Hatsumi behind you with a Katana. the testing student cannot see him and is told they must move out of the way of the sword as the Grandmaster swings it at the students head. They encourage sensing your foe's intentions quite a bit in that art and the fifth Dan test is the final test to see if you can sense it.

You are not using your hearing, sight, smell, tactile function or anything other than feeling the intent of the attacker.

Now I don't know if that qualifies as psychic powers but it's pretty close.

**Steelmage99**

**karandras15**

Steelmage99 wrote:

Oil companies have subcontracted remote viewers.

More commonly remote viewing is used by DOD contractors.

**Steelmage99**

karandras15 wrote:
Steelmage99 wrote:

Spoiler:

Oil companies have subcontracted remote viewers.

More commonly remote viewing is used by DOD contractors.

*Giggle*

**Psienesis**

It's also known that President Reagan made use of astrologists throughout his two terms.

There's a modicum (not much) money in certain aspects of the private sector being invested in these... alternative methods, mainly because they're right often enough to justify the expense. Oil speculation is one such field where, while you might waste 10 million dollars over 5 years on a "psychic", his one "lucky guess" nets you 30 billion in profits, so why not keep him around? There's also the fact that as we have little to no understanding, yet, of how these supposed powers work, or by what mechanics they function, our methods of observation may be inadequate to fully account for variables.

I'm skeptical, but, then again, science has been proven wrong in the past, and has changed its stance to accommodate new data. It may be that Unexplained Psychic Expression will one day be Explained, Quantified Psychic Ability.

**Satan's Little Helper**

I would rather have lightsabres than psykers...

**Melissia**

Psienesis wrote:
There's also the fact that as we have little to no understanding, yet, of how these supposed powers work

That's probably because none of the people who claim to have them can ever agree upon consistent, scientifically robust, and most importantly reproducible standards by which their "powers" can be judged to actually exist or not.

No exceptions.

**JWhex**

This whole thread doesnt have anything to do with 40K other than some people confusing science fiction fantasy with reality.

**kronk**

Steelmage99 wrote:

Have an exalt. I'm just passing them out to all the cool kids!

**karandras15**

JWhex wrote:
This whole thread doesnt have anything to do with 40K other than some people confusing science fiction fantasy with reality.

Yeah the people blurring the lines are folks like Michael Mumford, John Jumper and including ex Presidents and oil tycoons...

Not anyone on this message board... we can wax about it, but the previously mentioned research and invest in it.

They take it to a level of serious that would get them heckled by Melissia, Curran and others.

**Psienesis**

The OP doesn't have anything to do with 40K, either. It asks us about the concept of the 40K Psyker applied to the real-world, M2 Earth.

What if Psykers actually excist in this time and era? Or what if they have excisted in very small numbers since the dawn of man?

What if some of the people dubbed as witches and psychopaths are actually psykers emerging and evolving?

Maybe some of the unexplained phenomena like levitation of objects and spontanious combustion are caused by psykers unbeknownst of their ability.

And what if maybe certain historic individuals throughout religions and places of the world were actually psykers and believed miracle workers??? (Hint hint)

It would surely make us look at the future of our species very differently.

Thoughts???

... that's the meat-and-potatoes of the OP. This is why the topic verged into sci vs sci-fi vs sci-fantasy vs whatever else, because the OP directly asked us to consider that maybe Psykers are a real thing and, as some fans of Lovecraft would have us believe, GW is not a studio that creates a game of fiction but, instead, prophets of a future yet to be.