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 yani wrote:
Being gay or not in a scout troop is literally the least important issue ever.
'Hi I'm Bob. I like grass, trees and cake. I don't like girls'

If that were true, there wouldn't be an article about it, and uproar about it, or the need to take a vote on it. Really unimportant things have none of this stuff. Mind you this isn't Earth shattering by any means, but to pretend it is nothing shows a lack of understanding the issue.

 yani wrote:
Being gay or not in a scout troop is literally the least important issue ever.
'Hi I'm Bob. I like grass, trees and cake. I don't like girls'
'Ewww girls'
'eughhh girl germs'
'lets stick twigs up our nose'
'Yayyyy'

Don't trivialize the Boy Scouts. It's a noble organization.

'Hi I'm Bob. I like grass, trees and cake. I don't like girls'
'Ewww girls'
'eughhh girl germs'
'lets burn gak with bug spray and lighters rigged to blow torch mode while drinking that apple cider we secretly left to ferment for the last three weeks in the sun.'
'YAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!'

/eagle scout

 yani wrote:
Being gay or not in a scout troop is literally the least important issue ever.
'Hi I'm Bob. I like grass, trees and cake. I don't like girls'
'Ewww girls'
'eughhh girl germs'
'lets stick twigs up our nose'
'Yayyyy'

Thats about right. I remember the Boy in BS. Trying to corral the little buggers and keep them wandering off was the biggest thing.

GS are much better in that regards when camping. WAY less sophisticated on the finer camping aspects-which is why we went to teach them that stuff, but the food was awesome.

BS camp: supper:hot dogs, and marshmellows
breakfast: dutch oven biscuits
GS camp: supper, burgers, dogs, potato salad, french fries. Desert: Smores, cake, some sort of melted chocolate treat on top of cake. Oh yea baby
breakfast: biscuits, eggs, bacon, sausage, a selection of cereals, cupcakes!
Frazzled gained weight when we went camping with the GS.

 daedalus wrote:
Can you not then have an informal religion?

No, not really. Organization is what makes it a religion.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Religion is a set of practices and formalized beliefs about deity, worship, and the nature of the divine.

Spirituality is the general belief that there is a non-physical, supernatural component to the world and reality, without tying that to a formal set of religious practices or a specific deity or set of deities. People who believe in ghosts or spirits or faeries or totems or ancestors watching over us or the collective unconscious might consider themselves spiritual but not religious, if they don't participate in a formalized system of worship.

See my definition of "religion" includes that.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

You can say that your definition of a "knife" includes a spoon, but that doesn't make that the correct usage of the word if you tell people that I'm eating ice cream with a knife. Or maybe I should have said that a Dachshund has a lot in common with a cat if you don't look at it closely. But that doesn't make them the same thing.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
is says "subscribe to a religion or beleief in god"
You do not have to be part of a denomination or believe in god, but if you go in thrying to say everyne is stupid for believing in gods, ghosts or UFO's then you are gone

yes actually. You have to be part of some organized or unorganized religion to be spiritual.

Because clearly believing in what you want to believe in yourself is not allowed.

Well if you believe in something, thats religion. Just saying you're spiritual with no actual belief doesn't cut it.


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 Mannahnin wrote:
Religion is a set of practices and formalized beliefs about deity, worship, and the nature of the divine.

Spirituality is the general belief that there is a non-physical, supernatural component to the world and reality, without tying that to a formal set of religious practices or a specific deity or set of deities. People who believe in ghosts or spirits or faeries or totems or ancestors watching over us or the collective unconscious might consider themselves spiritual but not religious, if they don't participate in a formalized system of worship.

See my definition of "religion" includes that.

Well, your definition of religion is simply wrong then. I believe my hands are real therefore it's a relgious belief, right?

And frgsinwntr, I don't need any pushing for that. Though Atheists are just as obnoxious about not believing. I'll just remain with the belief that everyone on this planet is fething stupid. (includes me btw)

 Frazzled wrote:

 yani wrote:
Being gay or not in a scout troop is literally the least important issue ever.
'Hi I'm Bob. I like grass, trees and cake. I don't like girls'
'Ewww girls'
'eughhh girl germs'
'lets stick twigs up our nose'
'Yayyyy'

Thats about right. I remember the Boy in BS. Trying to corral the little buggers and keep them wandering off was the biggest thing.

GS are much better in that regards when camping. WAY less sophisticated on the finer camping aspects-which is why we went to teach them that stuff, but the food was awesome.

BS camp: supper:hot dogs, and marshmellows
breakfast: dutch oven biscuits
GS camp: supper, burgers, dogs, potato salad, french fries. Desert: Smores, cake, some sort of melted chocolate treat on top of cake. Oh yea baby
breakfast: biscuits, eggs, bacon, sausage, a selection of cereals, cupcakes!
Frazzled gained weight when we went camping with the GS.

you gained weight from eating brownies?

I just barely got my eagle. I think everyone should at least have a chance to get it.

I've never been in boy scouts. I was however in the water scouts which involved sailing and drinking boat loads of alcohol.

 Soladrin wrote:
I've never been in boy scouts. I was however in the water scouts which involved sailing and drinking boat loads of alcohol.

I am interested in your organization and would like to know more.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
I've never been in boy scouts. I was however in the water scouts which involved sailing and drinking boat loads of alcohol.

I am interested in your organization and would like to know more.

Only did that for about a year. (I like my liver) Headquarters was a river cargo boat powered by the engine from a Sherman. We often used the thing to just tug our sail boats along rivers untill we got to a nice lake... and stop at any dock we came across to reload the alcohol stocks. 16 year old me was very amused by these preceedings. (beer is legal at 16 )

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/12/boy-scouts-baptists/2415317/

In contrast to the title, sounds like they are recommending members bail and go to a new organization. That could cut the BS in half.

As a Southern Baptist I will honestly say that the stand they took is absolutely stupid. Flat out dumb.

Besides the whole "We are voting that Boy Scouts don't judge people enough now, so bail" it shouldn't even matter if Boy Scouts are gay/bi/straight/whatever.

Really, how hard is it to simply go "As a faith organization we believe that pre-marital sex is bad. So independent on where you want to stick your wang, or have a wang stuck in you, keep it in your pants".

There you go. Instead of the whole "gay/straight/whatever" thing, just make the official Boy Scout position "don't feth". Problem solved. The freaking Girl Scouts were able to figure this out a long time ago, it's not that hard.

But boy gays are much worse than girl gays! :O

 d-usa wrote:

Really, how hard is it to simply go "As a faith organization we believe that pre-marital sex is bad.

This is a remarkably sober view that both supports their viewpoint and also quits creating an issue when there isn't one.
now admittedly The Boy didn't hang with the scouts more than two years. Is there some sort of weird change in Scout outings once they hit Jr. High?
With GS the issue literally never ever ever came up. We were too busy trying to keep them from setting themselves on fire, and doing cool stuff like campground Halloween (complete with forest haunted house), lock ins at the San Antonio Zoo overnight, and the "unofficial" meeting at the local shooting range.
And of course eating really awesome deserts. Boy Scouts have no clue what good camp food is.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Really, how hard is it to simply go "As a faith organization we believe that pre-marital sex is bad.

This is a remarkably sober view that both supports their viewpoint and also quits creating an issue when there isn't one.
now admittedly The Boy didn't hang with the scouts more than two years. Is there some sort of weird change in Scout outings once they hit Jr. High?
With GS the issue literally never ever ever came up. We were too busy trying to keep them from setting themselves on fire, and doing cool stuff like campground Halloween (complete with forest haunted house), lock ins at the San Antonio Zoo overnight, and the "unofficial" meeting at the local shooting range.
And of course eating really awesome deserts. Boy Scouts have no clue what good camp food is.

At 5th/6th grade, the boy scouts start to pick up as it becomes more outdoorsy with monthly outings and the merit badges. Before that it's just cub scouts...