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Just wondering - as BA don't have flak missiles yet that I am aware of, bar the Storm Raven, what do we get for anti-air duties?

I'm guessing its pretty much the rifleman dread and the ADL?

I've seen people try to do this. Rather than fighting about it, I just killed their guys because it often leads to bad lists.

The rule book states that Jump Units have the Bulky Special Rule, which means that they take up 2 slots in a transport.

Rhinos and Razorbacks explicitly forbid Terminators from embarking. Drop pods and Land Raiders don't have that restriction, so any Infantry model is eligible to embark, with Bulky ones taking up 2 slots.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
The rule book states that Jump Units have the Bulky Special Rule, which means that they take up 2 slots in a transport.

Rhinos and Razorbacks explicitly forbid Terminators from embarking. Drop pods and Land Raiders don't have that restriction, so any Infantry model is eligible to embark, with Bulky ones taking up 2 slots.

Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, page 88 wrote:Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry), unless specifically stated otherwise.

Oops.

Indeed. Never saw a reason to try it, nor have I seen someone actually try it sine Jump Infantry pretty much suck, but it's good to know that clause is in there.

I had some guy drop a Vanguard squad in a drop pod. I didn't fight about it. I just let him charge me, I countered and then kill them all. He spent a pod and 6 vanguard to kill some tac marines. Whatever, chief, knock yourself out.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

I'm not really sure what planet y'all live on, but last I looked Jump Infantry can't embark on transport vehicles unless otherwise noted. How do you get Dante into a Land Raider or Drop Pod?

I live on planet "Read The Rules Before Getting Lippy on Forums." The rules for Bulky (pg 35), Independent Character (pg 39) Dedicated Transports (bottom left of pg 78), and Drop Pods in the Blood Angels Codex (among other places) say that you should visit sometime.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:


^ above poster. I see no priests, even though FNP isn't as good as it used to be it's still worthhaving.

Death Company have FNP base.


I'm not really sure what planet y'all live on, but last I looked Jump Infantry can't embark on transport vehicles unless otherwise noted. How do you get Dante into a Land Raider or Drop Pod?

DC also don't score. Priests are needed to give our fragile troops FNP and make them more durable.
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 Voidwraith wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

I'm not really sure what planet y'all live on, but last I looked Jump Infantry can't embark on transport vehicles unless otherwise noted. How do you get Dante into a Land Raider or Drop Pod?

I live on planet "Read The Rules Before Getting Lippy on Forums." The rules for Bulky (pg 35), Independent Character (pg 39) Dedicated Transports (bottom left of pg 78), and Drop Pods in the Blood Angels Codex (among other places) say that you should visit sometime.

Nice to meet you, I live in this thing called "reality":

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, page 88 wrote:Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry), unless specifically stated otherwise.

Marines are not "that" fragile.

Talk to Eldar, IG, etc about "fragile"


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Though certainly SM are not as tough as they should be by the fluff, however if they were you'd only need a tactical squad to vape most armies......

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Marines are not "that" fragile.

Talk to Eldar, IG, etc about "fragile"


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Though certainly SM are not as tough as they should be by the fluff, however if they were you'd only need a tactical squad to vape most armies......

Fragility is relative. An 18 PPM Space Marine in this day and age where every new Codex gets oodles of ways to deal with 3+ saves is less durable than 2 9 PPM Guardians in a Ruin. It's the same problem as last edition, only magnified by the Aegis Defence Line and Area Terrain rules; paying for a 3+ armour save is rather bad when you could be (almost, depending on what MEQ we're comparing to) half the points and get an almost as good save.

I agree. 18ppm 3+ is more fragile than 7ppm 5+. Not to mention all those fancy weapons people take to deal with MEQ. Plasma guns are no more efficacious when killing guardsmen than when they're killing MEQ.

The vanilla dex should be very interesting to say the least.

MEQ also have an inherent fragility because each one relies on dice luck to survive a lot more than swarms of 4 point cultists or 5 point Guardsmen. Huge numbers of bodies tend to absorb cold dice streaks better just because the minimum number of shots required to kill them all is so much higher.

And I'm sure a lot of Blood Angel players are very eagerly awaiting the new Space Marine codex. I'm betting there will be a lot of armies built on a core of C:SM stuff with the BA specific choices added back in as allies for flavor reasons.

I'm not too sure about that. Who wants to pay the BA HQ tax? Especially since C:SM assault marines will likely be cheaper than BA assault marines. Ah, the irony.

Martel732 wrote:
I'm not too sure about that. Who wants to pay the BA HQ tax? Especially since C:SM assault marines will likely be cheaper than BA assault marines. Ah, the irony.

BA Librarians have Divination access, and BA Assault Marines are scoring. We're not sure the new Vanilla Codex will have access to either Divination or scoring Assault Marines.

For 100 pts and one warp charge, they're still pretty bad, if even divination is great. The scoring ASM thing is nice, but the way things roll in 6th, it might be more valuable to lose less pts/model when the Eldar shoot the %^&^&* out of you.

I think it's very likely that BA players will field red C:SM armies. Hell my buddy is running a red raven wing list with "FNP" (PFG) bikers as troops. It's actually very flavourful, he's even put in Mephiston and a small DC squad tax to counter my new love for FMCs.

I think you're right now that I think about it, but there are many C:SM models I don't own and things like Baals will be unusable.

I play BA purely for the assault marine troops and the Baal's!

Had a massive shock a couple of nights ago when I actually managed to win a game.

Was an ambush scenario, opponent almost managed to get his general off the table then my DC jumped over and held him up just long enough for Mephiston to come in and kill the general.

First game I have actually won so bit of a shocker for me!

Much love for Mephiston and the suicide charge of the DC unit!

I've decided to go for a Drop Pod based army, how many drop pods would you recommend/suggest is a good amount for 1750?

9 seems plausible, but a little light on the troops (had to do 4x5 Assault Marines to fit it in, but then had 80/90 points spare (added heavy flamers to three dreads now though). Following Halfpast_Yellow's suggestion on P1. Planning on building this up fairly slowly anyway, certainly won't be buying another 8 Drop Pods too soon. Plan was anyway, to paint as I go along. So not having a job helps with that, as don't have the money to go and buy a whole army in one go.