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Maleed, this is a discussion of designers intend

Your spelling errors aside, how do you intent to present any premises about dev intent?

Maleed, this is a discussion of designers intend

Your spelling errors aside, how do you intent

That was amusingly ironic.

Posted By Mannahnin on 03/31/2006 2:17 PM

Maleed, this is a discussion of designers intend

Your spelling errors aside, how do you intent

That was amusingly ironic.

Ironically that was coencidence.

 

Edit, haha coincidence is the correct spelling. How amusing

Bah! It was a Freudian slip I tell you!

EDIT: Or perhaps treachery is afoot!  Mannahin has uber mod powers, among them the ability to edit post.  And he's there to reap the laughs at my expense!  Treachery, intrigue, cabal, I say!

In my hands, I have the names of 125 known communists in the US department of state...

Posted By bigchris1313 on 03/31/2006 2:13 PM

Maleed, this is a discussion of designers intend

Your spelling errors aside, how do you intent to present any premises about dev intent?

 

The whole point of this discussion is designers intent, since, as we've pointed out, the designer didn't feel the need to let us in on this information.

EDIT**  I checked and re-checked my spelling so as to end the madness.....

In my opinion it is more ethical to allow pre-measuring at all times. Here is my argument.

If no-one is allowed to pre-measure distances and must take negative consequences for guessing wrong, this is a disadvantage to players who are not good at estimating distances by eye.

Judging distances by eye is a skill built up through experience.

Judging distances in inches depends on regular use of the inch in measurement, which is no longer the case except in the US. Even in the UK, most schools stopped teaching inches 10 years ago.

Consequently, to insist that players estimate in inches, rather than measure with a tape, discriminates against younger and european players.

This gives an advantage to experienced players.

There is no disadvantage to anyone if everyone is allowed to pre-measure. The only difference is that experienced players lose an advantage.

Therefore, pre-measurement should on ethical principles be allowed in all phases of the game.

It does depend on whether you consider estimation a key game skill (like tactics or list design, for example). If you do, then it's legitimate to say that pre-estimation should be forbidden in all cases.

Kilkrazy, I think you have veered off onto a sidetrack.

I think my premises and conclusions stand, demonstrating that premeasuring is not permitted by the rules. If you want to debate the rules, please make another argument based on them.

I think I have demonstrated that your previous point about the legality of premeasuring does not hold. Just because going back and moving another unit that you already moved is explicitly forbidden, does not mean that going back and moving the SAME unit you just moved a second time is permitted.

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If you want to talk ethics and game skills, IMO Warhammer and 40k clearly descend from a long tradition of "sandtable" wargames in which distance estimation is indeed considered a core skill. Your ability to judge distances is supposed to be important. Premeasuring is antithetical to this tradition.

GW has branched off at times into designing games which do explicitly permit premeasuring (Warmaster) and has made games using a board with spaces (Blood Bowl), both of which are based off of different (though equally legitimate) design principles. Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are not members of either of these groups.

Personally I find the issue about people from different countries having difficult times with different units of measurement to be irrelevant to the discussion. Battlefleet: Gothic has guess range weapons and all the ranges are in centimeters. This is certainly more challenging for most American players, but does not mean than the rules are discriminatory or unfair. It's really only an issue if people from countries using different measurement systems play one another, which is certainly a tiny percentage of the games played.