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Their are plenty of great coat, gas masked, Germanesque aftermarket models that sell for much less than a standard Cadian 10 man box.
If GW releases Steel Legion WITHOUT any troop models to back it up, they will get eaten alive by the aftermarket folks.
And after the ChapterHouse ruling They won't have much of a leg to stand on in regards to telling a company to stop producing their already esablished models because of a Codex they just released.
By the time GW gets their heads out of their butts and puts out a troop model, the market will be saturated and except for a few character models no one wil be paying GWs price.
I can see steel legion getting released to resurect the old Armored Company Armies, only using gray painted Cadians as their trooper models.
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Supposedly GW doesn't release things without models anymore.
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2013/08/20 21:20:59
Subject: Re:Next GW releases according to faeit212
Regardless, a new edition would help... hopefully with a balanced approach to rules where big units can do well, but are not invincible (i.e. flanking removes steadfast, done, call it 9th ed ).
RiTides wrote: Regardless, a new edition would help... hopefully with a balanced approach to rules where big units can do well, but are not invincible (i.e. flanking removes steadfast, done, call it 9th ed ).
via an Anonymous source on Faeit 212
40k Codex Authors:
Imperial Guard: Vetock
Orks: Ward
Fantasy Army Book Authors:
Bretons: Kelly
Dark Elves: Cruddace
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timetowaste85 wrote: Doesn't Ward hate Greenskins? This doesn't bode well for Ork players...I hope Faeit is wrong for your sakes.
It's been a rumor for a while now, and the response I've seen has been "Oh no! Ward! He's going to murder our Grots and amazing kans!" and "Hey, Orks are totally gruesome and awesome, maybe Ward's good for Orks!" So hopefully it's in between those.
I'll go on record now, the only way you'll ever see me playing Fantasy is if they pull a "Dark Eldar" on the Brettonian and Wood Elf ranges.
Not to say there aren't some great models in the range already, but we're talking a total, eye wateringly beautiful overhaul of the whole ranges.
Fingers crossed, but I don't hold out much hope, despite the potential I think are in both armies.
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pretre wrote: via an Anonymous source on Faeit 212
40k Codex Authors:
Imperial Guard: Vetock
Orks: Ward
Fantasy Army Book Authors:
Bretons: Kelly
Dark Elves: Cruddace
It's orks, so any over the top fluff fits right in. Not that that will stop the Ward haters from complaining.
And I'm happier about Vetock doing Guard, if true. Tau were very well done, with strong elements, nothing completely useless (though some things are situational) and rather good internal balance.
streamdragon wrote: The bret book is 9 years old. It's the oldest army book or codex currently.
And is much more playable than the WE book. Currently a friend of mine is dominating a local 1000pt fantasy tournament, that includes tabling almost every one of the newest fantasy books. Just because the bret book is older, doesn't mean it's worse, some of the best untis for brets are undercosted (Trebouchets) meanwhile wood elves are paying 12 points per model for basic core choices.
Kroothawk wrote: Summary of Natfka's rumours:
February: Dark Elves Armybook
Any further information on this? Perhaps some plastic witches? A revival of the manflayers? Plastic Dark Riders? I'd really like to be able to flesh out my army of Khane and my pirate list.
Kroothawk wrote: Summary of Natfka's rumours:
February: Dark Elves Armybook
Any further information on this? Perhaps some plastic witches? A revival of the manflayers? Plastic Dark Riders? I'd really like to be able to flesh out my army of Khane and my pirate list.
Natfka says:
Cruddace
Larry Vela says:
Spoiler:
Dark Elf Rumors - July 2013
Look for many new Dark Elf models on launch, focusing on those "that needed it" *hint, hint*
I would assume "that need it" means:
Executioners PENDING Black Guard PENDING Witch Elves PENDING Cauldron of Blood PENDING Chariot PENDING Warriors/Crossbowmen PENDING
And I saved the best for last:
Morathi PENDING
Valkyrie Sky says:
Spoiler:
Dark Elf Rumors - July 2013
Sure I can contribute, Exexutioner and Black Guard share same kit, with black guards having alternate caped back piece, head, and halberd. PENDING The weapons are almost interchangeable without any work done no matter what torso you use for the body yes even if 2 handed. PENDING
My speculation is there will be no new manticore as chaos already received a new plastic one during storm of chaos. SPECULATION
Lastly regarding Cauldron of Blood. It is a hybrid kit with old witch Elf element for 1 build. While the new variation is like Empire War Altar. PENDING It has a special aura similar to EOTG called ??? blades that is like a whirl wind of magic blades that damage surrounding enemies emitted by khain's hatred. PENDING
Zeipherer says:
Spoiler:
Dark Elf Rumors - July 2013
Dark Elves are due in October 2013, it is said be a complete new book and not just a wave PENDING New elite infantry kit, possibly witch elves, executioners or black guards.PENDING (If new witch elves, there will most definitely be a new Cauldron of Blood piece) PENDING
Rumors I've heard:
New large monster type, probably 150x100 base type. Though could be anything, a kit of options to build a hydra, manticore or other monster types.PENDING Plastic harpy kit with two options, neither of which have been specified except it is harpy related. PENDING
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azreal13 wrote: I'll go on record now, the only way you'll ever see me playing Fantasy is if they pull a "Dark Eldar" on the Brettonian and Wood Elf ranges.
Not to say there aren't some great models in the range already, but we're talking a total, eye wateringly beautiful overhaul of the whole ranges.
Fingers crossed, but I don't hold out much hope, despite the potential I think are in both armies.
Uh... what? They did give Wood Elves and Bretonnia the "Dark Eldar" treatment, but it was before the Dark Eldar even got it.
Every model the WE have except for the Dragon and the eagles (I think) were brand new when they had their last release. Also, if you don't like how WE look now, then I think you should just never plan on playing them.
Same thing for Bretonnia. Other than a few characters and the yeomen, everything was new for their previous release.
I'd say there's no way in Hell Pit that GW gives Bretonnia and Wood Elves the "Dark Eldar" treatment AGAIN. I think you can safely uncross your figures and give up all hope.
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azreal13 wrote: I'll go on record now, the only way you'll ever see me playing Fantasy is if they pull a "Dark Eldar" on the Brettonian and Wood Elf ranges.
Not to say there aren't some great models in the range already, but we're talking a total, eye wateringly beautiful overhaul of the whole ranges.
Fingers crossed, but I don't hold out much hope, despite the potential I think are in both armies.
At this point people should be ecstatic that we have bretonnians scheduled.
azreal13 wrote: I'll go on record now, the only way you'll ever see me playing Fantasy is if they pull a "Dark Eldar" on the Brettonian and Wood Elf ranges.
Not to say there aren't some great models in the range already, but we're talking a total, eye wateringly beautiful overhaul of the whole ranges.
Fingers crossed, but I don't hold out much hope, despite the potential I think are in both armies.
Uh... what? They did give Wood Elves and Bretonnia the "Dark Eldar" treatment, but it was before the Dark Eldar even got it.
Every model the WE have except for the Dragon and the eagles (I think) were brand new when they had their last release. Also, if you don't like how WE look now, then I think you should just never plan on playing them.
Same thing for Bretonnia. Other than a few characters and the yeomen, everything was new for their previous release.
I'd say there's no way in Hell Pit that GW gives Bretonnia and Wood Elves the "Dark Eldar" treatment AGAIN. I think you can safely uncross your figures and give up all hope.
Settle down there sport, don't get so excited.
Firstly, I don't play, as one could infer from my opening statement, so I'm not intimately acquainted with the model ranges, only that I've seen some I like, and some I don't.
Secondly, aren't both of the ranges now approaching the age DE were when they got their massive overhaul? Irrespective of whether they were new when the last update occurred, a lot of the models are still quite old.
But I do agree, I'm not expecting much, as the attitude seems to be "release new, old will do" when it comes to updates these days (new Marine release being somewhat of an exception) I just think its a shame that the two factions that I feel could be amongst the most spectacular that GW make, are just the usual mix of good bad and ugly.
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Firstly, I don't play, as one could infer from my opening statement, so I'm not intimately acquainted with the model ranges, only that I've seen some I like, and some I don't.
Secondly, aren't both of the ranges now approaching the age DE were when they got their massive overhaul? Irrespective of whether they were new when the last update occurred, a lot of the models are still quite old.
But I do agree, I'm not expecting much, as the attitude seems to be "release new, old will do" when it comes to updates these days (new Marine release being somewhat of an exception) I just think its a shame that the two factions that I feel could be amongst the most spectacular that GW make, are just the usual mix of good bad and ugly.
Fair enough. Sorry if I came off aggressively, I think it came out worse than I intended.
It just really surprised me because I remember when those ranges came out, the response was mostly very positive and I think they are two of GWs better ranges still (other than a few stinkers, like treekin/treeman and some didn't like how the new Bretonnian footmen look).
Considering that they got so many updates last time, I think they are extremely unlikely to get them again. GW seems to be in money saving mode. I think the most you can hope for is a big monster and some sort of dual unit kit... which I doubt will entice you into playing.
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Red Viper wrote: Considering that they got so many updates last time, I think they are extremely unlikely to get them again. GW seems to be in money saving mode. I think the most you can hope for is a big monster and some sort of dual unit kit... which I doubt will entice you into playing.
I agree also as the Bretonnians and Wood elves both have the full range and don't require any "old" models to b released only re-released and both have reasonably small ranges that have been out a while i can see GW pushing new stuff MORE?!?
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Firstly, I don't play, as one could infer from my opening statement, so I'm not intimately acquainted with the model ranges, only that I've seen some I like, and some I don't.
Secondly, aren't both of the ranges now approaching the age DE were when they got their massive overhaul? Irrespective of whether they were new when the last update occurred, a lot of the models are still quite old.
But I do agree, I'm not expecting much, as the attitude seems to be "release new, old will do" when it comes to updates these days (new Marine release being somewhat of an exception) I just think its a shame that the two factions that I feel could be amongst the most spectacular that GW make, are just the usual mix of good bad and ugly.
Fair enough. Sorry if I came off aggressively, I think it came out worse than I intended.
It just really surprised me because I remember when those ranges came out, the response was mostly very positive and I think they are two of GWs better ranges still (other than a few stinkers, like treekin/treeman and some didn't like how the new Bretonnian footmen look).
Considering that they got so many updates last time, I think they are extremely unlikely to get them again. GW seems to be in money saving mode. I think the most you can hope for is a big monster and some sort of dual unit kit... which I doubt will entice you into playing.
No problem, I just wish the WE had more of this
But less of this
Or even some of this (concept art, but every sculpt so far has been really faithful)
But that just doesn't seem to be the direction that GW are going, especially with the .fantasy releases.
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