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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







I've been quiet round this blog for a while. This is due to starting a tank for my main army (and I've not even finished the interior yet).

But I can now share what is next on the painting list...

...Bikes


I'm working on getting a very subtle blend on the black (I've only started on the front mud-guard, the rest is just black ) before I move on to highlights and then the other colours...

I can already tell that these will be difficult to paint due to them being built in one part, but I will persevere.

There are still plenty of boxes and toilets left in stock, just send me a PM.

And Company Master Balthasar is still available after my friend took a short holiday (He also has a limited selection of bitz available in his shop too).

That's this guy if you missed him earlier...


Thanks.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

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Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







So the first experiment with black either produced too subtle a blend and just looked black or produced a visible blend but looked grey...

Here's the result of the second experiment aimed at producing edge highlights that blend into the black...


Quite possibly it is even harder photographing a black thing with a black to dark grey gradient on than it is to paint it...
Not overly pleased with the result, looks a bit messy up close once it's dried as you can't tell what you're doing while it's wet.

I may just resort to neat grey edge highlights with one dark grey layer over flat black... Keep it simple and effective (on the table).


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







So this is the result of experiment number 3; thin line edge highlights.


I'm never going to make it as a coachline painter... looking closely these aren't as neat as I would like.

Maybe I should resort to good ol' dry-brushing. I know I can make that work with minimal edge highlights.

Thoughts, suggestions...?


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







I can't help you much here..I could never get black highlights to work right either. I think you need a darker shade (or 3) of grey-black mix from what I've read. Or maybe your black isn't black enough? I duno.

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Thank for the input, Dave.
I've done black fine in the past with just dry-brushing, I'm just trying to push myself on these commission pieces and have probably just come up against my current skill-wall.

There is two shades of grey in the highlights and I did try to get a dark grey line between the highlight and the black, but it just made the lines look too fat rather than blending in and in neatening the lines up it pretty much got covered over with black.

I may try giving the blended bike a fine line highlight (which I will probably mess up) and the lined bike a dilute wash of black (which will probably be too black)...and then start over...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Incoming "rant".

I have to say, I would go with the tried and tested drybrushing, you have achieved great results with it. This thing of, got to go with new techniques, is great but we are forgetting the amazing results we used to get. I get the idea behind NMMMMNNNNNNMMMM! But what is wrong with mixing up some metallic in there. And what would be wrong with using Gloss?

I know it's supposed to be photo friendly or something, blah, blah, blah.

Anyways, Personally not a fan of the lining method. Looking forward to the rest of it though. Sorry for rant.





 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







 Camkierhi wrote:
Incoming "rant".

I have to say, I would go with the tried and tested drybrushing, you have achieved great results with it. This thing of, got to go with new techniques, is great but we are forgetting the amazing results we used to get. I get the idea behind NMMMMNNNNNNMMMM! But what is wrong with mixing up some metallic in there. And what would be wrong with using Gloss?

I know it's supposed to be photo friendly or something, blah, blah, blah.

Anyways, Personally not a fan of the lining method. Looking forward to the rest of it though. Sorry for rant.

No worries, Cam. I do generally agree with you. I like the metallic paints (the engine parts of both bikes have metallic on already) I have and I have a nice selection of gloss paints.

But if you don't try new things, then you may be missing something better, and you always have the tried and tested method to fall back on.

Thanks.
I'll be back later with further experimental progress...

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

it took me a while to actually see what these last pics were ment to show...... well I am in with the crowd...drybrushing... those lines are not looking like what you want...and more tips wont be coming from me because...well...ask a better painter

also... looked at the ebay shop of you two... and I have to say... you´re offering an old second edition arm sprue of SM with needed arms and three old style bolters... but only one pound more expensive than the three separate un- sprued bolters...that makes rather little sense... if you didn´t charge an extra fee for the loose ones as they are already de- molded


   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







 Viktor von Domm wrote:
it took me a while to actually see what these last pics were ment to show...... well I am in with the crowd...drybrushing... those lines are not looking like what you want...and more tips wont be coming from me because...well...ask a better painter
Yeah, as I said, it's difficult to photograph something so dark and keep it looking like it actually looks (they are slightly darker irl). And you can see the issue with the way the light catches the surfaces; I've been twisting these bikes this way and that to get the various surfaces at just the right angle to the light to see what I'm doing (although that's more an issue with my lighting set-up than the model).

They have now been reset (that is; painted black). The washing, that I mentioned earlier, did tone down the lines as intended. But didn't make them any straighter...

I'll be back when they've had some dry-brushing.

also... looked at the ebay shop of you two... and I have to say... you´re offering an old second edition arm sprue of SM with needed arms and three old style bolters... but only one pound more expensive than the three separate un- sprued bolters...that makes rather little sense... if you didn´t charge an extra fee for the loose ones as they are already de- molded
K. I'll let 'im know. He runs the shop, I just paint things for him to sell.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Mysterious Techpriest







Shallow edges are a pain, they don't look bad just maybe a bit too many edges highlighted, less is better.

Only advice I can give is; the tip "the best way to paint white is not to paint white" applies equally to greyscale
so rather than try and do greys try using blue/greys at 3 (or so, depending how bored you are) shades, dark, mid and light depending on the surface, layered thicker the darker going thinner when lighter in shade.

Personally I hate painting black and given how excellent the rest of your painting is I'm sure you'll pull it off nicely in the end




 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







 OneManNoodles wrote:
Shallow edges are a pain, they don't look bad just maybe a bit too many edges highlighted, less is better.

Only advice I can give is; the tip "the best way to paint white is not to paint white" applies equally to greyscale
so rather than try and do greys try using blue/greys at 3 (or so, depending how bored you are) shades, dark, mid and light depending on the surface, layered thicker the darker going thinner when lighter in shade.

Personally I hate painting black and given how excellent the rest of your painting is I'm sure you'll pull it off nicely in the end
Thanks, Noodles. Very useful.
Yeah, I know about the white technique. Should have thought about that.
I do have a nice blue/grey paint, I'll pull that out and use it for the (less is more) edge highlights that I'll add after the dry-brushing.

I'm usually quite happy painting black, I was just trying out something new on these to make them stand out a bit. More practice needed.

Thanks.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Mysterious Techpriest







If you can find anything that makes sense in what I wrote then no problem




 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Well, it made sense to me in one way or another...

So these are the bikes after 4 dry-brushing steps (Dark grey, Grey, Blue/Grey and light grey)...

I now need to let these dry thoroughly before toning them down a little (yes they are a little too grey) with a black wash and then a very light dry-brush to finish (hopefully)... The third bike should catch them up by then.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Now that is more like it. I know it has to be a bit blacker, and you have that in hand. But the toning across the edges and panels are excellent.




 
   
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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

how I hate to chime in with the gang...

but... with that drybrushing... what will you do to make it black like ravenwing?...people need to know...

   
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[DCM]
Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator





Mechanicum (building/painting)

You're right, we have to know.

Watching this very carefully as I have some Ravenwing bikes to paint in the next couple of months, and wondering how I'm going to do the black.

Thanks for doing all the experimenting for us lazy ones.

Reavsie

   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Camkierhi wrote:Now that is more like it. I know it has to be a bit blacker, and you have that in hand. But the toning across the edges and panels are excellent.
Thanks Cam. That's dry-brushing for you...

Viktor von Domm wrote:how I hate to chime in with the gang...
but... with that drybrushing... what will you do to make it black like ravenwing?...people need to know...
Reavsie wrote:You're right, we have to know.
Watching this very carefully as I have some Ravenwing bikes to paint in the next couple of months, and wondering how I'm going to do the black.

Quite simply, I added blackness...

...that is, a dilute wash of black over everything (it was, however perhaps a little too dilute).
I have then added a light dry-brush of my blue/grey with a little light grey in, and just tried to catch the highest and most prominent edges.

To be fair... they don't look terribly different in the picture (only one of these here has had the final highlight DBrush and I'll leave it to you to spot the difference and make my point).
However, once I've added all the other colours (which involves a fair amount of white and the bright red guns) the black-that-isn't-quite-black here should look black... That's the theory anyway. If it doesn't I can always darken bits later when I know where it's needed.

I also have a picture of the third bike at (nearly) each stage of the dry-brushing:
From top to bottom;
Black,
Dark grey,
Grey,
Blue/grey(missing a picture for some reason),
Blue/grey plus light grey. You will also notice I didn't do the black wash step, as I was more restrained with the brushing on this bike and I think the extra lightness and blue-ness will make this bike stand out a little (as he is the sergeant).


Thanks for doing all the experimenting for us lazy ones.
It's in my nature to experiment anyway, and I'm happy to share.
If you want to be really lazy, these will be available on ebay once I've finished them...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







So, onwards to the next step...

I've base-coated the grey metals (gun metal) and the white areas (grey/blue) and done the lights (as I wanted to do the metal grill over them).


These should start to become more interesting from this point...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Looking great. Sorry can't really add anything to that.




 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Thanks Cam.

Here's the second Bike after the light has been finished, the eyes done and the metals washed with black.


For the bases, I was thinking that I might do them on tarmac for a change... Good, Bad, Indifferent?


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







The other colors are really bringing it out now. MOAR other colors!

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Wiltshire, UK

Hmm painting black, I've found the trick is to blend in your darkest grey with your black and then work up. I also find that highlighting in straight lines along the edges doesnt always work sometimes, I seem to be doing this more now, I paint in lots of small lines going down from the lightest part while building up my colours giving an uneven approach it adds a feeling of shadow.

Not sure if that makes sense or not lol

   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







dsteingass wrote:The other colors are really bringing it out now. MOAR other colors!
Glad it's working. There will be more soon.

GiraffeX wrote:Hmm painting black, I've found the trick is to blend in your darkest grey with your black and then work up. I also find that highlighting in straight lines along the edges doesnt always work sometimes, I seem to be doing this more now, I paint in lots of small lines going down from the lightest part while building up my colours giving an uneven approach it adds a feeling of shadow.

Not sure if that makes sense or not lol

I think I know what you mean.
Are you talking parallel (as I tried earlier) or perpendicular lines (as often done on Tyranid carapaces)?
I did also try the blending from black to grey. I think the way I tried I spread the blend over too much of each surface and should have done it nearer the edges (leaving more plain black space).
Thanks.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Wiltshire, UK

 Dr H wrote:

I think I know what you mean.
Are you talking parallel (as I tried earlier) or perpendicular lines (as often done on Tyranid carapaces)?
I did also try the blending from black to grey. I think the way I tried I spread the blend over too much of each surface and should have done it nearer the edges (leaving more plain black space).
Thanks.


Yeah perpendicular lines like how you would paint Tyranid carapaces

Not painted a bike before though so it may not work.

   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







 GiraffeX wrote:
Yeah perpendicular lines like how you would paint Tyranid carapaces
I'll keep that in mind for something in the future.
Possibly with bikes or other "fast" vehicles it may be good to do the lines in the direction from front to back. Might give the impression of speed.

Not painted a bike before though so it may not work.
Me neither, these are my first.
My first thoughts on building these were;
They are tiny (but at least in scale with the riders) and,
They would be so much easier to paint in pieces. Sadly, these being Dark Vengeance models, they are pretty much one piece. I even thought about chopping them up into more convenient pieces (and probably would have if they were for my army).

There's a surprising amount of small surfaces on these too, which is the problem with the edge highlight painting.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot





By the foot of the Andes

I agree some more colour touches would be good to give better depth to the grey-blacks, will be waiting for those to come up.

Maybe a fuller black, rubber like, could be used on the tires? There, it could be then lightly weathered or soiled in earth or dust tones, instead of requiring shading over black... (and by lightly I also mean keeping in mind it will be put up for sale, and should keep basing options open as well).


 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







 Littletower wrote:
I agree some more colour touches would be good to give better depth to the grey-blacks, will be waiting for those to come up.

Maybe a fuller black, rubber like, could be used on the tires? There, it could be then lightly weathered or soiled in earth or dust tones, instead of requiring shading over black... (and by lightly I also mean keeping in mind it will be put up for sale, and should keep basing options open as well).

You've pretty much read my mind there.
Thanks LT.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







This is what I've been doing today. The white bits.

...and I'm glad I only have 3 of these to do...

On top of the grey/blue I showed earlier, I have layered a "middle" blue and blended that into a light grey mixed with the blue.
Then layered the pure light grey over that and finally a layer of white over that.

Not terribly pretty up close, but should look nice on a table.
[Thumb - Ravenwing white wip.jpg]
Ravenwing white wip stages



The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Just because it still amuses me...

...Pink guns!


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Affton, MO. USA

Pink is so appropriate for the Dark Angels Closet company

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

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