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I think there are powerful arguments for SW, UM and Sallies. As defined by the effectiveness of their alpha strike, I think the C:SM builds have the edge based upon the ability to combat squad thus becoming both more resilient and more effectively targeting the enemy.

I await a rebuttal but I'm trying to put a cap on this so we can determine a "winner."

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:

5 Assault Marines, flamer, flamer, combi flamer in a pod

You cannot do that; Assault Squad Sergeant cannot take a combi-weapon.

Played another game, same list but with 5 more LOTD.

The alpha strike was good against my opponent, opening 3 out of 4 transports. His counter fire knocked out a lot of my tacticals though.

The game went back and forth, but here's what cost me the game: 2 storm ravens came on, and my AA could not knock them out. He kept wiping out the squads with the Relic.

My Legion of the Damned held up a chapter master, libby and small honor guard for the whole game. His LOTD made me sacrfice units to stop them from also potentially wiping out the Relic holding squad.

LOTD are reallly good to take. But again, my troops were too easy to wipe out.

I'm gonna say take SW or Sallies with Vulkan. The advantage over UM with Tiggy is that you can send in the assault elements ( elite, FA and HS) in first to damage the enemy, then troops to grab objectives.

Anti-Air is a pretty big issue when it comes to this kind of army, really you just have to focus on everything else but dealing with x2 Storm Ravens must have sucked .

I just played an 1000pt. game today testing out a list that I have posted in the army list section which it can be found here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/553704.page

I ran with the Imperial Fist Chapter Tactic list and took it against a local IG player. Dont remember his exact list but a quick overview:

-Company Command Squad
-Blob Squad behind Aegis with Commissar think it was x30 guys?
-3 or 4 Heavy Weapon Teams
-A platoon with a squad of x20 guardsmen who screened Aegis Defence line so I could not land in front of it and wipe them out.
-Manticore
-Aegis Defence Line with Quad Gun

Seeing how he was screeining his Aegis Line I landed both TAC squads farther back then he anticipated and they spent the turn unloading rapid fire bolters into the screeing squad inflicting a good chunk of damage and more importantly clearing zones for my Sternguard + Commander to land. The Heavy Bolters + Imperial Fists Chapter Tactic is pretty awesome.

My Thunderfire Cannons WRECKED both of his Autocannon teams as well as taking out a massive chunk of infantry in the process. His turn the Manticore made a bloody crater of one of my Combat Squads and his lascannon Heavy Weapons teams all combined to drop a Thunderfire Cannon. However on my turn my Sternguard landed and unleashed their Heavy flamers slaughtering both Lascannon teams and my TAC squads finishing off both the Guard Squad and a multi-melta sniping the manticore. Opponent called the game after that!

Are there no considerations for IH users to take up a MotF and bring the hurt with up to six Ironclads? That's six 3HP IWND AV13s with a combination of flame and melta.

I'm strongly considering running a drop pod list that relies on air support rather than tfcs...soon as I get to a version I like I'll post it up

The delivery system needed for ironclads is the issue. I'd run something like 6 ironclads in pods with double hk's and your choice of melta or heavy flamers, 2 5 man scouts in speeders with heavy flamers, an IH Motf, aegis line with quad gun, 3 5 man assault squads with 2 flamers in pods.

That way all 6 ironclads come down turn 1 and you can begin taking full advantage of the IH chapter tactics.

Not sure of its effectiveness, but it sounds fun to play with.

Well, by my count that build would allow "only" 4 of the Ironclads to come in T1 as you would have 8 pods. Also, can Land Speeder Storms take double HF? I don't have my codex in front of me but I thought it just had te Blind blast thing.

The LSS can take a HF, and that build was 9 pods.

If you wanted all 6 on turn one that's 11 pods, I doubt you can fit that in sub 2k.

EDIT: Don't know what I was thinking with the 6 coming down turn one, lol

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Are there no considerations for IH users to take up a MotF and bring the hurt with up to six Ironclads? That's six 3HP IWND AV13s with a combination of flame and melta.

Only problem I see with this build is an underwhelming alpha strike. Tough as nails but that's at most 6 melta shots turn 1 plus a few HKs if you opt to spend the points on them. Against mechdar you'll be lucky to take down 1 serpent and the rest will just hop to the other side of the board.

 The Shrike wrote:
Well, by my count that build would allow "only" 4 of the Ironclads to come in T1 as you would have 8 pods. Also, can Land Speeder Storms take double HF? I don't have my codex in front of me but I thought it just had te Blind blast thing.

Actually, it's 9 pods, so 5 would come down turn 1.

Still alot of AV13 to deal with on turn 1.

Man it would be fun as hell to drop 6 Dreds of any type on someone's front lines.

"Look at my super cool gun line! Wait, what the hell is that? Oh no, flamers! Ah you found my only weakness!"

And then the laughter with an s ensues.

I think putting 6 dreads in a pod is unnecessary. Combine the close-range AV13 iron clads, in drop pods, with foot-slogging ranged dreads.

Do you want Salamanders (with/without Vulkan) for twin-linked flamer and melta (only melta, sadly, for vehicles). Or IH for some lovely IWND vehicles.

However, using 6 dreadnoughts forces you to rely on allies or FA for AA.

BronzeJon wrote:
The delivery system needed for ironclads is the issue. I'd run something like 6 ironclads in pods with double hk's and your choice of melta or heavy flamers, 2 5 man scouts in speeders with heavy flamers, an IH Motf, aegis line with quad gun, 3 5 man assault squads with 2 flamers in pods.

That way all 6 ironclads come down turn 1 and you can begin taking full advantage of the IH chapter tactics.

Not sure of its effectiveness, but it sounds fun to play with.

Dev cents and an ironclad in a stormraven delivery system after the T1 alphastrike as a second wave

The loadout should look something like this.

685pts

stormraven gunship (230)
-twin linked missile launcher
-extra armour

•centurion devestators (320)
-4 suits
-omniscope
-2 gravcannon & amp
-2 missile launcher

•Ironclad dreadnought (135)

Its a bit pricey though.

We're starting to stray here. A list with a 8-900 point Stormraven bomb with a few drop pods thrown in is not a Drop Pod list. It's a Deathstar list with pod support.

Let's get a final vote. No justification necessary, just submit your opinion in the form of a one-word response for antiquity:

Ultramarines (w/ Tiggy)
Salamanders (Please specify Vulkan or not)
Crimson Fists (Pedro-wing)
Iron Hands (Ironclad spam)
Space Wolves

Thanks dakkans! I think we've enshrined some good info here.

As for me, I vote Salamanders (with Vulkan), for the pure alpha-strike.

What? Blood Angels don't make the final 5?

Just kidding. I think the Salamanders with Vulkan list or the Pedro Wing Crimson Fists look the best. Named Characters in 40k tend to bring something extra (which is why the Iron Hands lose out here, I think. Really? They couldn't work in a special named Character for this book that got a special $115 cover variant?)

pedro wing, alying with tiggy. duh.

Pedro wing

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
pedro wing, alying with tiggy. duh.

Seen this work to, you take Pedro-Wing (x3 Sternguard, x2 Tacs minimum) and then ally Tig with a single TAC squad (his squad) and a Devastator Squad in a Drop Pod. He pops the TAC tactic first turn, then the Devastator Tactic the second turn.

In Pedro-Wing, do you go maxed combi-weapons, mix in special weapons or just go special ammo?

Pedro-wing as an alpha strike may not involve MAX combis, but I think at least 5 for the purposes of voting.

Keep the votes coming!

 The Shrike wrote:
We're starting to stray here. A list with a 8-900 point Stormraven bomb with a few drop pods thrown in is not a Drop Pod list. It's a Deathstar list with pod support.

Let's get a final vote. No justification necessary, just submit your opinion in the form of a one-word response for antiquity:

Ultramarines (w/ Tiggy)
Salamanders (Please specify Vulkan or not)
Crimson Fists (Pedro-wing)
Iron Hands (Ironclad spam)
Space Wolves

Thanks dakkans! I think we've enshrined some good info here.

As for me, I vote Salamanders (with Vulkan), for the pure alpha-strike.

SW. The WG combi-weapon bombs probably makes them best at alpha strike

UM plus Tigurius for me.

I think SW plus UM w/Tiggy could be pretty awesome.