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I think all this Tau pissing and moaning stems from players not really knowing how to play 40k. Frankly if your turning down a battle because you're afraid you might lose you not really a general of an army.

Being relatively new to Tau (and not cos of the rules) I feel very disheartened to know the first models I've had in years (I had to sell the old ones) that I'm starting to build and paint with a plan to build a particular army, are just going to be ignored when I turn up to a gaming centre.

I'm sorry that we Tau player just know how to build better lists than the rest of you so they can play against any army relatively effectively.

Oh yeah that's right everything is so OP in the codex.
Guess I shouldn't use my riptide.
What about crisis suits? Nah they're probably OP.
Firewarriors? No they're too good for the cost.

Personally I thought war games were something you tried to win.
Now don't get me wrong I know the game has flaws but as they say. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 gmaleron wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:


Bingo.

Look over at the "why do people not like playing against unpainted models thread". Its amazing the level of laziness and unwillingness that some people have. Its this defense mechanism people have developed over the years, "If you don't like it, quit" "I can do whatever I want with my hobby" etc etc. Its the anthem of an entitled generation to expect everyone to accept their lazy gak attitudes and bad behaviour as either some sort of life choice or disease.

The warhammer community is packed with Goobs, the guys that never learn, don't want to learn, and are incredibly vocal when it comes to you telling them to up their game.

Wow really? So because I have school, a girlfriend, am in the Army, I work and also take care of myself by working out (and to maintain my shape for military service) that's means I am "lazy"? Maybe before calling everyone who does not paint their armies as "lazy bums" take into account that some people have priorities that take precedence over painting models for their hobby, you don't see me calling players like you "stuck up pricks" for refusing and berating players without a painted army.

QFT have an Exalt.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Crimson wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
B) the maths don't affect the dice rolls, so it's worthless as a measuring stick.

Really? What does then? Little dice spirits perhaps?

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that mathematics affects the world. It doesn't. Mathematics describes the world. It does not have any power to change it. And, with probability, mathematics is never going to be a perfect description because there are too many factors that the mathematics doesn't take into account when rolling dice.

Anyway, everybody knows that the dice gods are real.

Do you realise probability and statistics are used to calculate EVERYTHING in our modern world; consumer patterns, weather patterns, insurance values, investments, bookmakers odds, performance of employees, etc etc. You can use maths and a good understanding of probability to affect the world around you and every successful business person, teacher, accountant, doctor, salesman, etc etc, DOES! Using the laws of probability rather than gut instint is what will make you successful. Whilst probability cannot give you EXACT numbers, it will tell you the most likely outcomes and what to expect so you can plan accordingly. Dismissing probability because it does not give definite values is foolish and shows a distint lack of understanding of probabilities. (Read up on bell curves to get a basis of understanding)
And please - claiming that you won't do the maths because you can't be bothered shouldn't be a proud boast - it is an example of either laziness or ignorance of mathematics. It is offhanded comments like this and ones such as the older generations saying without any embarrassment "oh I was never any good at maths at school" (could you imagine them admitting they struggled with reading at school with no embarrassment?), that makes it difficult for us maths teachers to make our pupils understand how important mathematics is for their development and comprehension of the world around them!

 gmaleron wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:


Bingo.

Look over at the "why do people not like playing against unpainted models thread". Its amazing the level of laziness and unwillingness that some people have. Its this defense mechanism people have developed over the years, "If you don't like it, quit" "I can do whatever I want with my hobby" etc etc. Its the anthem of an entitled generation to expect everyone to accept their lazy gak attitudes and bad behaviour as either some sort of life choice or disease.

The warhammer community is packed with Goobs, the guys that never learn, don't want to learn, and are incredibly vocal when it comes to you telling them to up their game.

Wow really? So because I have school, a girlfriend, am in the Army, I work and also take care of myself by working out (and to maintain my shape for military service) that's means I am "lazy"? Maybe before calling everyone who does not paint their armies as "lazy bums" take into account that some people have priorities that take precedence over painting models for their hobby, you don't see me calling players like you "stuck up pricks" for refusing and berating players without a painted army.

Good for you, you proved my point. You have the hours needed to build an army, but no time to paint it despite the numerous ways to speed paint (airbrush, dipping, power washing) and making excuses for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I don't harp on anyone that is trying. But it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army.

EDIT: It also seems you have the time to go on online forums and read through a few pages and make responses, you should be painting.

I think people need to stop whining over loosing. If you want to get better, Get better. To win requires dedication. If you want to win it requires you to train and make yourself better, which requires time. If you do not want to put in the time, then dont whine

 Ravenous D wrote:

Good for you, you proved my point. You have the hours needed to build an army, but no time to paint it despite the numerous ways to speed paint (airbrush, dipping, power washing) and making excuses for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I don't harp on anyone that is trying. But it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army.

And you have proved mine, maybe it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army but not if you want to paint the army WELL. Yes, a life outside of my hobby is an "excuse" you must be blessed to have so much free time on your hands. And for your information with all that I still have a partially painted army that is being finished up what I don't like is the label of "everyone is lazy and making excuses" as its a laughable comment. Saying taking care of your family or serving your country is an "excuse" is ridiculous, so kudos for you man for having ample free time.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think people need to stop whining over loosing. If you want to get better, Get better. To win requires dedication. If you want to win it requires you to train and make yourself better, which requires time. If you do not want to put in the time, then dont whine

I agree, if you are having trouble combating something or fighting a certain army you are only going to get better by fighting it and trying different tactics, utilizing different units ect. I can understand some peoples frustration when it comes to playing armies they are struggling against, but instead of complaining they should ask questions and see what they could do better, even from their opponent.

Boniface wrote:
I think all this Tau pissing and moaning stems from players not really knowing how to play 40k. Frankly if your turning down a battle because you're afraid you might lose you not really a general of an army.

Being relatively new to Tau (and not cos of the rules) I feel very disheartened to know the first models I've had in years (I had to sell the old ones) that I'm starting to build and paint with a plan to build a particular army, are just going to be ignored when I turn up to a gaming centre.

I'm sorry that we Tau player just know how to build better lists than the rest of you so they can play against any army relatively effectively.

Oh yeah that's right everything is so OP in the codex.
Guess I shouldn't use my riptide.
What about crisis suits? Nah they're probably OP.
Firewarriors? No they're too good for the cost.

Personally I thought war games were something you tried to win.
Now don't get me wrong I know the game has flaws but as they say. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I almost believe this is satire but at the same time you might be serious...

If someone whines that EVERYTHING in your codex is OP? Yeah they are just whiners. If someone makes valid arguments that certain units in your book are oppressively strong and some codices have no ability to counter? That is not whining, that is basic understanding of the game.

You seem to be under the impression that GW takes the time to balances each codex against one another and that everyone is on a level playing field. I have news for you, it's not. That is what so many people defending Tau don't seem to understand but pay lip service to. We all know this game is unbalanced to an extreme level but when it comes down to it, and your army is THAT army, you refuse to acknowledge it. Or you point fingers at other over the top armies like that makes it better. I wont berate someone for playing Tau, I will still play them mostly. But if I am playing my Nids and a Tau player drops down an all jump army with three Riptides, tons of battle suits, and a wall of kroot, I probably wont play them unless they are a good friend and they want to just test the list to see how ridiculous they can be. What I will do is guide them to play someone that might give them a challenge, suggest another match up. When I play my Nids and I decide to play swarmy with tons of gaunts and gargoyles I don't like play my friend who plays Death Wing because there is a good chance the game is going to go completely in my favor. We will have a laugh and instead of watching me throw buckets of dice all night at him we will play other people to have better match ups. In that situation I would play my dad who loves to field IG in blobs. Nothing captures the feel of an epic game like a gaunt horde versus IG blobs. The game may only last three turns before the FLGS we play it closes but it is so much fun!

Boniface wrote:


I'm sorry that we Tau player just know how to build better lists than the rest of you so they can play against any army relatively effectively.

You don't. Terribly sorry, but the Tau Codex IS more powerful than the other ones. I wouldn't call it OP, but it's more powerful, just like Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Grey Knights ruled 5th edition.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:


Bingo.

Look over at the "why do people not like playing against unpainted models thread". Its amazing the level of laziness and unwillingness that some people have. Its this defense mechanism people have developed over the years, "If you don't like it, quit" "I can do whatever I want with my hobby" etc etc. Its the anthem of an entitled generation to expect everyone to accept their lazy gak attitudes and bad behaviour as either some sort of life choice or disease.

The warhammer community is packed with Goobs, the guys that never learn, don't want to learn, and are incredibly vocal when it comes to you telling them to up their game.

Wow really? So because I have school, a girlfriend, am in the Army, I work and also take care of myself by working out (and to maintain my shape for military service) that's means I am "lazy"? Maybe before calling everyone who does not paint their armies as "lazy bums" take into account that some people have priorities that take precedence over painting models for their hobby, you don't see me calling players like you "stuck up pricks" for refusing and berating players without a painted army.

Good for you, you proved my point. You have the hours needed to build an army, but no time to paint it despite the numerous ways to speed paint (airbrush, dipping, power washing) and making excuses for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I don't harp on anyone that is trying. But it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army.

I'm with gmaleron on this. I have a gf who I live with, a mother who I am the sole carer for, a career which takes up hours and hours of my 'non-working' day, have a 45min commute to work each day (both ways), im miles away from all my old friends and require regular trips to Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and London just to see them, I play football (the proper one where you use your FEET not your hands), go to the gym, funnily enough, cook, iron, clean and wash dishes/clothes for myself, have 8 boxes of unstuck models and don't own a tv. Now are you going to say that I need to prioritise if I want a game of my favourite hobby?!? People have different lifestyles to you and you need to realise this!

Honestly this doesn't surprise me. Its not because Tau are Over Powered, but rather because Tau are simply no fun to play against.

Tau are boring for opponents for the exact same reasons that many people find playing against Dwarves in Warhammer Fantasy to be tedious. Long Range Gunlines suck to play against.

I have always stood by the proposition that Warhammer 40K is best when the average engagement range is 24 inches or less. At these shorter ranges considerations such as rapid firing, but putting yourself at greater risk of being charged, moving into cover to get an advantage vs an opponent without grenades in cc, and other considerations come into play. Both players are a lot more involved and tactics and the movement phase really come into play.

What happens is that Tau has come along and their "competitive" lists tend to focus on blasting the ever living crap out of their opponents from long range, ignoring cover, and with plenty of cheap interceptor to make already high risk deep strike units useless. That sucks to play against, because it feels like the Tau player is just playing against themselves. Strategy in movement in drained away because the Tau can out range most enemies guns and ignore their cover, strategy in positioning is drained because cheap interceptor ruins already risky deep strike and outflankers. Even fast assault units tend to crumple to supporting fire.

I AM NOT SAYING TAU ARE OVERPOWERED, They can be defeated, and there are ways to play against them that will defeat them in an objective game like 40K. But its often not fun, and I cannot blame anybody for refusing to play a game when a gun line is pulled out of a bag. Because win or lose the experience is empty.

The main I complaint I here with tau is that its basically "civil war" style games where you just shoot and remove models. For a lot of people combat is the most satisfying part and Tau make that extremely difficult to pull off. Just removing stuff that hasn't done anything is not very fun. This is only amplified when played against a very good general.

It also forces you to completely change the typical linier tactics.

Boniface wrote:
I think all this Tau pissing and moaning stems from players not really knowing how to play 40k. Frankly if your turning down a battle because you're afraid you might lose you not really a general of an army.

Being relatively new to Tau (and not cos of the rules) I feel very disheartened to know the first models I've had in years (I had to sell the old ones) that I'm starting to build and paint with a plan to build a particular army, are just going to be ignored when I turn up to a gaming center.

I'm sorry that we Tau player just know how to build better lists than the rest of you so they can play against any army relatively effectively.

Oh yeah that's right everything is so OP in the codex.
Guess I shouldn't use my riptide.
What about crisis suits? Nah they're probably OP.
Firewarriors? No they're too good for the cost.

Personally I thought war games were something you tried to win.
Now don't get me wrong I know the game has flaws but as they say. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

You sound like the typical Tau Power Gamer who says that people are dumber then you are and who think you are so much better then they are because you are good at a game, congrats on being a classic example of this. And no, no one is saying that the Tau are OP, I just think that it is unbalanced and boring to play against particular Tau Lists at the moment due to the face that the new 40k rules favor the Tau in a lot of ways, as well as the fact that the Tau have means to address everything, including there weakness against CC. And sorry, but blaming the game when YOU CHOSE to play a list you know super competitive and a list that has a hard time getting games in, then thats YOUR fault, not the games. Most people like to make competitive, but fun lists so that everyone can enjoy them, but someone who purposely goes out of there way to curb stomp opponents just to win is someone with competitive issues who needs to win all the time to make himself feel good about himself it seems, or is just doing it to be a jerk.

Tau are one of the easiest armies to play because all they have to do is sit behind an Aegis Defense Wall, and get all the weapons that ignore cover and just sit back and watch there opponents die. Its no fun to play and it just makes the other player feel frustrated while the Tau player either gloating or feeling bad about it. Now, the one Tau player at my store got pissed when I called him out on his "fun list", which ended up being 3x Riptides on top of marker light spam, and I said straight up that he is a powrer gamer. Should of seen his face when I said that and even more so when he noticed everyone in the store nodding in agreement. So no, its not hard to make a competitive Tau list at all.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think people need to stop whining over loosing. If you want to get better, Get better. To win requires dedication. If you want to win it requires you to train and make yourself better, which requires time. If you do not want to put in the time, then dont whine

I don't care about winning, I care about having fun. Having my fluffy army crushed by triptide or any other competitive list is absolutely no fun for me. So don't whine when I don't feel like playing against a powergaming list and say no to playing you.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

All games are fun games.

If only that were true. A well written and balanced ruleset would allow this to occur, its just as shame that isn't what GW bothers to make these days.

I think the least enjoyable game that I ever played was a 7th ed fantasy game against a fully kitted out Bloodknight deathstar (naturally proxied out of random unpainted models). No fun was had.

That being said it is bad players that need to be avoided more than bad lists but when playing strangers all you have to go on is the list so....

 Very Superstitious wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think people need to stop whining over loosing. If you want to get better, Get better. To win requires dedication. If you want to win it requires you to train and make yourself better, which requires time. If you do not want to put in the time, then dont whine

I don't care about winning, I care about having fun. Having my fluffy army crushed by triptide or any other competitive list is absolutely no fun for me. So don't whine when I don't feel like playing against a powergaming list and say no to playing you.

Agree with you 100%. I play the game for fun, but all it takes is one power-gamer and his insane list of 3+ Riptides to ruin the fun for everyone.

Poly Ranger wrote:


I'm with gmaleron on this. I have a gf who I live with, a mother who I am the sole carer for, a career which takes up hours and hours of my 'non-working' day, have a 45min commute to work each day (both ways), im miles away from all my old friends and require regular trips to Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and London just to see them, I play football (the proper one where you use your FEET not your hands), go to the gym, funnily enough, cook, iron, clean and wash dishes/clothes for myself, have 8 boxes of unstuck models and don't own a tv. Now are you going to say that I need to prioritise if I want a game of my favourite hobby?!? People have different lifestyles to you and you need to realise this!

Great, life is hard. I do 60 - 78hour work weeks, and paint 40k for 30minutes to an hour a day, go see my GF and hit the gym. You're quitting, giving up and making excuses instead of adapting. If you don't have time to paint how do you have time to play? And again, you're on the internet RIGHT NOW, why couldn't you use the time that you used to read this thread to prime models? Do a base coat? 3 hours a week isn't impossible and you can make massive leaps in that time over months.

He who says he can, and he who says he can't are both usually right.

I'll go a step further and actually post a how to speed paint tutorial.

Poly Ranger wrote:
People have different lifestyles to you and you need to realise this!

Its perfectly possible to paint a 10 man squad to a reasonable tabletop standard in an hour and half, everyone can find an hour and a half. I just painted 150 infantry in 3 months and I was Afghan.

In fairness, the Eldar are stronger than the Tau I think. Maybe the Tau are more boring to play against, but I feel that if I can just get close enough, I can win. Getting close to Eldar is a lot harder.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:


I'm with gmaleron on this. I have a gf who I live with, a mother who I am the sole carer for, a career which takes up hours and hours of my 'non-working' day, have a 45min commute to work each day (both ways), im miles away from all my old friends and require regular trips to Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and London just to see them, I play football (the proper one where you use your FEET not your hands), go to the gym, funnily enough, cook, iron, clean and wash dishes/clothes for myself, have 8 boxes of unstuck models and don't own a tv. Now are you going to say that I need to prioritise if I want a game of my favourite hobby?!? People have different lifestyles to you and you need to realise this!

Great, life is hard. I do 60 - 78hour work weeks, and paint 40k for 30minutes to an hour a day, go see my GF and hit the gym. You're quitting, giving up and making excuses instead of adapting. If you don't have time to paint how do you have time to play? And again, you're on the internet RIGHT NOW, why couldn't you use the time that you used to read this thread to prime models? Do a base coat? 3 hours a week isn't impossible and you can make massive leaps in that time over months.

He who says he can, and he who says he can't are both usually right.

I'll go a step further and actually post a how to speed paint tutorial.

Because I prefer gaming over painting. I prefer discussion of 40k over painting. You honestly have no idea what you are talking about when you consider other people 'quitters' for not painting. Just because YOU enjoy something and believe in something doesn't mean you should force others to be or believe that way. In fact, that is what has led to most of the problems throughout human history. You know nothing of my life apart from the small amount I have just told you. Therefore you are in no position and have absolutely NO right to judge me! If I want to sit back after a hard day at work, I'm not going to think of painting my models to please you first. Walk on mate and go judge somebody else because I can't be bothered with taking your judgemental attitude (edited to avoid offense).

 Rommel44 wrote:

Boniface wrote:
I think all this Tau pissing and moaning stems from players not really knowing how to play 40k. Frankly if your turning down a battle because you're afraid you might lose you not really a general of an army.

Being relatively new to Tau (and not cos of the rules) I feel very disheartened to know the first models I've had in years (I had to sell the old ones) that I'm starting to build and paint with a plan to build a particular army, are just going to be ignored when I turn up to a gaming center.

I'm sorry that we Tau player just know how to build better lists than the rest of you so they can play against any army relatively effectively.

Oh yeah that's right everything is so OP in the codex.
Guess I shouldn't use my riptide.
What about crisis suits? Nah they're probably OP.
Firewarriors? No they're too good for the cost.

Personally I thought war games were something you tried to win.
Now don't get me wrong I know the game has flaws but as they say. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

You sound like the typical Tau Power Gamer who says that people are dumber then you are and who think you are so much better then they are because you are good at a game, congrats on being a classic example of this. And no, no one is saying that the Tau are OP, I just think that it is unbalanced and boring to play against particular Tau Lists at the moment due to the face that the new 40k rules favor the Tau in a lot of ways, as well as the fact that the Tau have means to address everything, including there weakness against CC. And sorry, but blaming the game when YOU CHOSE to play a list you know super competitive and a list that has a hard time getting games in, then thats YOUR fault, not the games. Most people like to make competitive, but fun lists so that everyone can enjoy them, but someone who purposely goes out of there way to curb stomp opponents just to win is someone with competitive issues who needs to win all the time to make himself feel good about himself it seems, or is just doing it to be a jerk.

Tau are one of the easiest armies to play because all they have to do is sit behind an Aegis Defense Wall, and get all the weapons that ignore cover and just sit back and watch there opponents die. Its no fun to play and it just makes the other player feel frustrated while the Tau player either gloating or feeling bad about it. Now, the one Tau player at my store got pissed when I called him out on his "fun list", which ended up being 3x Riptides on top of marker light spam, and I said straight up that he is a powrer gamer. Should of seen his face when I said that and even more so when he noticed everyone in the store nodding in agreement. So no, its not hard to make a competitive Tau list at all.

Nice one. Shaming a guy for being better than you at mandollies.

It's understandable, though, as the alternative requires effort and you seem to be under the impression that wins should just be handed to you.

Learn to play, and you'll soon realize that the Tau gunline crouching behind an aegis line is pretty crappy and easy to beat, and a Tau army that relies on markerlight support from Pathfinders is easily dismantled. Or, just continue sucking and whine about the evil powergamers.

Tau is not an overpowered army. Not in a competitive sense. It's a good army, yes, but so are Necrons, Space Marines, Daemons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tyranids and Sisters. It's only overpowered against scrubs who cannot comprehend any other way of playing 40k than going for a massive slugfest in the middle, while putting a few token squads on objectives during deployment and expecting them to still be there 6 turns later.

 gmaleron wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

Good for you, you proved my point. You have the hours needed to build an army, but no time to paint it despite the numerous ways to speed paint (airbrush, dipping, power washing) and making excuses for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I don't harp on anyone that is trying. But it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army.

And you have proved mine, maybe it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army but not if you want to paint the army WELL. Yes, a life outside of my hobby is an "excuse" you must be blessed to have so much free time on your hands. And for your information with all that I still have a partially painted army that is being finished up what I don't like is the label of "everyone is lazy and making excuses" as its a laughable comment. Saying taking care of your family or serving your country is an "excuse" is ridiculous, so kudos for you man for having ample free time.

Ah so you're just advocating laziness.

I guess they don't teach "adapt and overcome" in the military anymore.

Here's how to paint 10 minute guardsmen:
Prime white
Brush on watered down khaki, flesh, dark grey and whatever the armour colour you choose is.
Apply wash
Paint metal
Apply wash

There, you have a table top ready army that you can go back and wet blend up if you choose. You've proven my point entirely, instead of trying, you've just quit and made a defense mechanism as to why you're right. AND YOU'RE STILL ON THE INTERNET WASTING TIME. You clearly have the the spare hour to paint!

 Ravenous D wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:


I'm with gmaleron on this. I have a gf who I live with, a mother who I am the sole carer for, a career which takes up hours and hours of my 'non-working' day, have a 45min commute to work each day (both ways), im miles away from all my old friends and require regular trips to Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and London just to see them, I play football (the proper one where you use your FEET not your hands), go to the gym, funnily enough, cook, iron, clean and wash dishes/clothes for myself, have 8 boxes of unstuck models and don't own a tv. Now are you going to say that I need to prioritise if I want a game of my favourite hobby?!? People have different lifestyles to you and you need to realise this!

Great, life is hard. I do 60 - 78hour work weeks, and paint 40k for 30minutes to an hour a day, go see my GF and hit the gym. You're quitting, giving up and making excuses instead of adapting. If you don't have time to paint how do you have time to play? And again, you're on the internet RIGHT NOW, why couldn't you use the time that you used to read this thread to prime models? Do a base coat? 3 hours a week isn't impossible and you can make massive leaps in that time over months.

He who says he can, and he who says he can't are both usually right.

I'll go a step further and actually post a how to speed paint tutorial.

Hmmm you seem to be suffering from a superiority complex apparently, just hush and let people paint there armies on there own time and not yours dude. Who cares about that anyways? I honestly dont care if its painted or not, just so long as they have an army to play with then Im content with that. As for me, Im not a good painter but I still try, my issue is that I like to get my whole army together before I start painting, thats just how I do it.

And Thud, not trying to single you out but again, you play Tau all the time and yet someone earlier pointed out that Tau players just don't see it or wont admit it that there Army is hard to fight due to the rules that made shooting even better. I have beaten the Tau a number of times, but they are extremely frustrating and boring to play against oveall.

 Palindrome wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
People have different lifestyles to you and you need to realise this!

Its perfectly possible to paint a 10 man squad to a reasonable tabletop standard in an hour and half, everyone can find an hour and a half. I just painted 150 infantry in 3 months and I was Afghan.

I can't. I am actually totally awful at painting and it takes me longer to paint a model than to mark a class worth of books and its still an awful paint job. We are not all the same. And I do not mind paying more on ebay for painted models to make my army look better. But when someone I play judges me because I have 2 or 3 squads in a 1.5k battles unpainted it makes me very annoyed. Its like somebody refusing to let you join in at football because you have two left feet! My favourite part of the hobby is battling not painting and thats what im in the game for!

 Rommel44 wrote:


Hmmm you seem to be suffering from a superiority complex apparently, just hush and let people paint there armies on there own time and not yours dude. Who cares about that anyways? I honestly dont care if its painted or not, just so long as they have an army to play with then Im content with that.

I don't really care, just don't sugar coat lazy cant do attitudes. Instead of making the million of excuses just simply say "Im lazy and don't want to try to find the time" and move on.

I'm more annoyed about people bitching that they cant do something and make it seem like its out of their power to do anything about it. That's defeatism at its very core.



EDIT: Or get your army commissioned! Clearly if some of you work so much you have the money.

There is nothing wrong with being upset that no matter what you do, your opponent will have a greater than 50% chance of beating you, just because he picked Tau.

However, it's foolish to play 40K and expect the rules to be balanced enough to always be able to have a fair or advantageous match up.

If you choose to play Dan, you can't complain about the other Street Fighters. But it's also your right to refuse a match. And when this many people dodge Tau outside of tournaments, it's kind of telling of the game's balance and/or Internet hype.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

Good for you, you proved my point. You have the hours needed to build an army, but no time to paint it despite the numerous ways to speed paint (airbrush, dipping, power washing) and making excuses for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I don't harp on anyone that is trying. But it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army.

And you have proved mine, maybe it takes the slightest bit of effort to paint an army but not if you want to paint the army WELL. Yes, a life outside of my hobby is an "excuse" you must be blessed to have so much free time on your hands. And for your information with all that I still have a partially painted army that is being finished up what I don't like is the label of "everyone is lazy and making excuses" as its a laughable comment. Saying taking care of your family or serving your country is an "excuse" is ridiculous, so kudos for you man for having ample free time.

Ah so you're just advocating laziness.

I guess they don't teach "adapt and overcome" in the military anymore.

Here's how to paint 10 minute guardsmen:
Prime white
Brush on watered down khaki, flesh, dark grey and whatever the armour colour you choose is.
Apply wash
Paint metal
Apply wash

There, you have a table top ready army that you can go back and wet blend up if you choose. You've proven my point entirely, instead of trying, you've just quit and made a defense mechanism as to why you're right. AND YOU'RE STILL ON THE INTERNET WASTING TIME. You clearly have the the spare hour to paint!

Are you for real? I mean...Seriously?

"Adapt and overcome!" For painting? Seriously?

Listen, for some of us the last thing we want to do after working all day is sit down to paint. I know I only paint on my days off if I don't have anything else planned. I like to paint my armies better than JUST table top ready, so it takes me a bit more time to finish a squad than just throwing colors on. I paint maybe one day a week for an hour or two. That's not giving up, I just don't care so much about little plastic and metal army men that I want to dedicate hours a day to finish my armies, I will do it at my leisure as it suits me. Unless you start paying me to paint then I do not care in the slightest what you think.

I know your post wasn't directed at me but it might as well have been with this attitude you are advocating. Why do you get so worked up that someones DARES to enjoy their free time in ways different from you.

We have a separate thread for the painting issue over here. No need to derail this one.

@Ravenous. Look I may have come across as irritated and peeved but it really annoys me when people get their superiority complex of painting over me. And when I'm basically told i'm lazy that just infuriates me. I am not lazy. In fact probably one of the least lazy people you will ever meet. I am currently on my phone typing as I cannot sleep (it is almost 12 here and im up at 5). I simply do not have the time to paint, unless I get absolutely zero relaxation time (painting is definitely not relaxing for me - it is a chore). So please in future do not judge people as lazy if you do not know them or their circumstances.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Ah so you're just advocating laziness.

I guess they don't teach "adapt and overcome" in the military anymore.

Here's how to paint 10 minute guardsmen:
Prime white
Brush on watered down khaki, flesh, dark grey and whatever the armour colour you choose is.
Apply wash
Paint metal
Apply wash

There, you have a table top ready army that you can go back and wet blend up if you choose. You've proven my point entirely, instead of trying, you've just quit and made a defense mechanism as to why you're right. AND YOU'RE STILL ON THE INTERNET WASTING TIME. You clearly have the the spare hour to paint!

Advocating laziness my @$$, get off your high horse dude, never seen someone so full of themselves because they paint models. When did I say I have quit? When did I say I have stopped painting? Guess what, I never did and you can keep the military out of it as I am sure someone who probably has never been deployed or asked to serve there country can relate to. Ill just "adapt and overcome" to be sure to ignore you in the future, oh and by the way your still on the internet as well .

The issue I had with you was never the fact that I don't paint my models, a fact that you conveniently seemed to overlook, but the fact you were calling everyone lazy, quitters, ect. for not having painted armies. First of all READ before posting stuff, second just because you enjoy speed painting your army does not mean all of us do and third the fact that I do all that outside of the hobby an that makes me lazy? Keep on trolling bro, your just making people who prefer to play with painted armies look bad with your biased, inaccurate and negative comments.

Sorry for Hijacking the thread, but don't appreciate someone who has never met me accusing me of being lazy, sadly over a hobby, back to topic!

Sorry Crimson.