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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, I don't think they would work, but I would love it if they did.

So do you believe any model can fire all its weapons in the shooting phase? If not why not?

I think that any model without special wargear or rules (such as multitrackers or being a MC) can fire one weapon in the shooting phase, because it is in the rulebook. I also think that those same abilities do not affect overwatch if they say "Shooting phase" instead of something along the lines of whenever it can shoot.

So you believe Crisis suits can fire all their weapons in overwatch? And that a Space marine can fire his bolter and bolt pistol in overwatch? If not why not?

No, because it is the Assault phase not the Shooting phase. I'm not sure how it is worded (I don't have my rulebook with me), but I think they are limited to the usual one weapon.

Get your rulebook and find the rule about only firing 1 weapon. You will see that it says you can only fire 1 gun in the shooting phase.

Since you want to treat overwatch as an assault phase with shooting attacks, then every model with more than 1 weapon may shoot them all.

It's literally what the whole thread is about.

Read the actual rules, then come back with your opinion, but don't argue a point that you haven't even read the rules for...

 FlingitNow wrote:
So you think multitrakers don't work right? Due to the wording "Shooting phase" right?

Given that the wording on only shooting 1 weapon in the weapons section page 51 "if a model has more than one Shooting weapon, he must choose which one to shoot - he cannot fire both in the same Shooting phase" emphasis mine. So if you discount one rule for the Shooting phase wording surely you agree you must discount the other? If not why not?

I even quoted the relevant rule on the very page we were discussing it.

 Nilok wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, I don't think they would work, but I would love it if they did.

So do you believe any model can fire all its weapons in the shooting phase? If not why not?

I think that any model without special wargear or rules (such as multitrackers or being a MC) can fire one weapon in the shooting phase, because it is in the rulebook. I also think that those same abilities do not affect overwatch if they say "Shooting phase" instead of something along the lines of whenever it can shoot.

So you believe Crisis suits can fire all their weapons in overwatch? And that a Space marine can fire his bolter and bolt pistol in overwatch? If not why not?

No, because it is the Assault phase not the Shooting phase. I'm not sure how it is worded (I don't have my rulebook with me), but I think they are limited to the usual one weapon.

That is actually the crux of the problem. You are only limited to firing one weapon in the "Shooting Phase". If we prevent rules that only work in the "Shooting Phase" from affecting Overwatch, then the only thing that limits the number of weapons you can shoot is also disregarded.

Is it really worded like that? GW really needs to get an editor.

Yes and its not in the shooting phase rules its in the weapons rules on page 51. So if multitrackers don't work then everyone can fire all their weapons in overwatch.

So until they FAQ or Errata it, either suits can fire two weapons (which would be ridiculous with 2 burst cannons, especially if one was twinlinked), or they can fire all weapon (usually 2 anyway). Either way tau win.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So until they FAQ or Errata it, either suits can fire two weapons (which would be ridiculous with 2 burst cannons, especially if one was twinlinked), or they can fire all weapon (usually 2 anyway). Either way tau win.

Worse if a Tau player is trying to abuse the no "Shooting Phase" rules in overwatch by loading a single crisis suit with 3 flamers, protecting units from being assaulted with Supporting Fire. 3d3 flamer hits can dissuade a lot of squishy units.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So until they FAQ or Errata it, either suits can fire two weapons (which would be ridiculous with 2 burst cannons, especially if one was twinlinked), or they can fire all weapon (usually 2 anyway). Either way tau win.

Yes, an army that is specifically set up to be able to counter being charged has rules that benefit them when being charged. That really shouldn't be a big surprise.

The only sensible conclusion from all of this is to assume that the Overwatch attack is treated like a normal shooting attack (as the rules say to do), and that this means that any rule that would normally apply to that unit's shooting is applied to the Overwatch, unless actually specified otherwise.