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I think the question shouldn't be if GW is going to fast or too slow. The question that needs to be asked is

"What will make you happy?"

Obviously when GW had slow releases, a lot of people complained. Now GW is having fast releases a lot of people are complaining.

So for GW case, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

So it doesn't matter what GW does, a lot of people will complain.

GW can give out all the rules and Codexes for free, on PDF, and book format, and people will still complain.

So it comes down, to what will make you happy.

Davor wrote:
Obviously when GW had slow releases, a lot of people complained. Now GW is having fast releases a lot of people are complaining.

So for GW case, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Nope. I don't know why I have to keep repeating this, but this argument is nonsense. When GW had slow releases what we wanted was a good codex update cycle that fixed the problem of having armies from 1-2 editions ago getting crushed by current-edition armies that benefit from years of power creep. Instead what we got is a flood of mediocre (at best) releases that seem to consist of every random idea a GW employee ever had, thrown together in 15 minutes and given a $50 price tag. The pace of quality releases hasn't increased much, we just have a lot more garbage now.

Davor wrote:
I think the question shouldn't be if GW is going to fast or too slow. The question that needs to be asked is

"What will make you happy?"

Obviously when GW had slow releases, a lot of people complained. Now GW is having fast releases a lot of people are complaining.

So for GW case, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

So it doesn't matter what GW does, a lot of people will complain.

GW can give out all the rules and Codexes for free, on PDF, and book format, and people will still complain.

So it comes down, to what will make you happy.

I don't think anyone's primary complaint is speed. It's certainly a factor.

Speed of release is a tiny factor. Quality a bigger factor, but there are plenty of issues with current 40k.

Davor wrote:
I think the question shouldn't be if GW is going to fast or too slow. The question that needs to be asked is

"What will make you happy?"

Obviously when GW had slow releases, a lot of people complained. Now GW is having fast releases a lot of people are complaining.

So for GW case, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

So it doesn't matter what GW does, a lot of people will complain.

GW can give out all the rules and Codexes for free, on PDF, and book format, and people will still complain.

So it comes down, to what will make you happy.

I don't think it's the speed, rather the complete disorganization. We have little to no advance notice of releases, the releases themselves are not particularly organized in any specific manner, many of these releases do very different things than anything we've seen before and make rather haphazard changes to longstanding fundamental game mechanics (such as the FoC), and now we've got three different sales channels for rules, GW paper codex books, Forgeworld, and Black Library.

Its the fact that they are taking game balance and throwing it out the window and letting you take 4 different armies in one game.

Allies already make armies look dumb and mish mashed. Having 3 from the inquisitorial book release made it that much more stupid. Now they cram in formations and all sense of order is out the window. GW keep going on about narrative, well they keep taking massive steaming dumps all over that.

What would make me happy?

1 book every 3 months with all the supplements as free fething downloads since you already bought the overpriced book. Mark things as optional and with opponents permission. No random releases, no mirco DLC gak.

I dont think so. IT has only been the last 3 or so months this happened. Once they get past christmas I have a feeling that we will get back to the preceding months of release styles. Being a codex/army book a month

I think 40K has reached a curious state where the game is actually internally diluted. As said before, nothing has an identity anymore. Used to be different factions were unique because of their strengths and weaknesses. You played a Blood Angels army because you liked how Blood Angels played.

Now an army looks like a clicky-base game, with everything from everywhere to try to balance out an force to have no weaknesses at all.

Da fuq, 40k is completely customizable. Play pure Codex BA if you want to. Find players who like to play fluffy lists. Play a tournament list against players who like playing tournaments.

 Peregrine wrote:

Davor wrote:
Obviously when GW had slow releases, a lot of people complained. Now GW is having fast releases a lot of people are complaining.

So for GW case, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Nope. I don't know why I have to keep repeating this, but this argument is nonsense. When GW had slow releases what we wanted was a good codex update cycle that fixed the problem of having armies from 1-2 editions ago getting crushed by current-edition armies that benefit from years of power creep. Instead what we got is a flood of mediocre (at best) releases that seem to consist of every random idea a GW employee ever had, thrown together in 15 minutes and given a $50 price tag. The pace of quality releases hasn't increased much, we just have a lot more garbage now.

Well said!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I think 40K has reached a curious state where the game is actually internally diluted. As said before, nothing has an identity anymore. Used to be different factions were unique because of their strengths and weaknesses. You played a Blood Angels army because you liked how Blood Angels played.

Now an army looks like a clicky-base game, with everything from everywhere to try to balance out an force to have no weaknesses at all.

Because its "wacky and fun"

Think they would have learned a goddamn lesson from dreadfleet *grumble grumble*

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Da fuq, 40k is completely customizable. Play pure Codex BA if you want to. Find players who like to play fluffy lists. Play a tournament list against players who like playing tournaments.

Thanks for giving the same response that has been given in every edition of 40k that has ever existed (in regards to people who like friendly lists vs tournament lists).. Allies do inherently dilute the unique feel of each army, that is inescapable. Whether or not an army is fluffy or of tournament quality has NOTHING to do with allies, more so what options are available. Pure Eldar crushes everyone, is that fluffy or a tournament army? By your narrow definition that is a pure codex army so perhaps its fluffy.

Or you mean because it's good it's a tournament list, which negates the point about bashing those who think allies are a bad idea for the game.

I totally understand the philosophy behind using whatever current combo is best in order to win. I did that too for a long time, however I don't have to agree that it's good for the game to promote allying to such an insane degree. There is a difference between competition and quality GAME DESIGN. Human beings can be competitive on just about anything, it doesn't matter what it is, what the rules are, or anything. Competition does NOT rely on anything other than the ability for the participants to compete fairly (IE the rules are applied equally), the rules themselves do not matter other than the equality of enforcement. Best example of pointless competition that millions take seriously? Fantasy sports..

This seems extremely daunting for a new player. I know I wouldn't start this game now.

I hope fantasy doesn't go down this path. Odds aren't good though.

I don't like the way things are going purely for aesthetic reasons.

Who wants to play United Colors of Benetton vs United Colors of Benetton? Ugly to look at on the board, and transforms the fluff of the game into nothing more than recommended back-stories.

I wouldnt mind so much if they released decent stuff for the armies that need it (like BA) rather than releasing OP units for armies that are already top dex's!