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 Goliath wrote:
Well unfortunately my google search didn't find anything at all critical of her book, and I'm fairly moderate so don't really hang out on overly liberal sites, so didn't see any.

That doesn't change the fact that she still has a job...

She does still have a job, yes. It's not with Fox News, though.

She has, at various times, had her columns dropped, lost sponsors, etc. The claim that she never faces any backlash is hilariously, ludicrously incorrect.

 Seaward wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well unfortunately my google search didn't find anything at all critical of her book, and I'm fairly moderate so don't really hang out on overly liberal sites, so didn't see any.

That doesn't change the fact that she still has a job...

She does still have a job, yes. It's not with Fox News, though.

She has, at various times, had her columns dropped, lost sponsors, etc. The claim that she never faces any backlash is hilariously, ludicrously incorrect.

And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.

 Goliath wrote:
And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.

But you'd argue the MSNBC side of the aisle does? Come on, dude. I hope that, "I'm a moderate!" thing was satire.

And no, Fox likes controversial guests. So does MSNBC. So does CNN. Hell, so does PBS. Ratings are ratings. And when you get them while saying, "Hey, this person doesn't work for us, we're not responsible for what they say," the system works.

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 Frazzled wrote:
So its ok to be racist? Like I said MSNBC is the bar where the lefty reporters hang out and get drunk at.

How is that in any way what I wrote? I'm not saying it's okay to be racist. I'm saying that maybe there should be a bit more backlash when the right does something.

You said they shouldn't apologize.

 Seaward wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.

But you'd argue the MSNBC side of the aisle does? Come on, dude. I hope that, "I'm a moderate!" thing was satire.

So MSNBC didn't fire the person that made the tweet? They didn't make a grovelling apology?


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 Frazzled wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
So its ok to be racist? Like I said MSNBC is the bar where the lefty reporters hang out and get drunk at.

How is that in any way what I wrote? I'm not saying it's okay to be racist. I'm saying that maybe there should be a bit more backlash when the right does something.

You said they shouldn't apologize.

I said I was annoyed that they apologised but (and this is the important part) Fox News (and others) don't.

Do I think they should have apologised? Yes
Do I think the right wing should have to apologise sometimes? Also yes.

(also I'm not quite sure how that tweet was racist? as far as I'm aware "right wing" isn't a race)

but you said they shouldn't apologize.

 Seaward wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.

But you'd argue the MSNBC side of the aisle does? Come on, dude. I hope that, "I'm a moderate!" thing was satire.

And no, Fox likes controversial guests. So does MSNBC. So does CNN. Hell, so does PBS. Ratings are ratings. And when you get them while saying, "Hey, this person doesn't work for us, we're not responsible for what they say," the system works.

But when the organization continues to hire people like that? Martin Bashir, Alec Baldwin, this tweet dude, Melissa Harris-Perry, those are people just this year who have been fired (sans Melissa, she grovelled in time to keep her job) over stuff like this. People who were permanent members of the staff.

Sometimes guests are being compared to the faces of the organization. That right there shows how weak this counter-argument to all of this is.

 Frazzled wrote:
but you said they shouldn't apologize.

I said that I disagreed with them apologising then went on to explain that it was because fox doesn't.

I think they should have apologised.
I think that if Fox News doesn't have to, or get shouted at until they do then maybe they shouldn't be shouted at so much for not apologising.

I think it was a dick statement. I'm glad they apologised. I am not glad, however, that there is some sort of mandate that they must apologise.
If there was this massive outrage when the right wing did this sort of thing, and there was some sort of obligation that they had to apologise, then yes I would say that MSNBC must apologise.

It's a matter of consistency of outrage.

 Goliath wrote:
So MSNBC didn't fire the person that made the tweet? They didn't make a grovelling apology?

Ah, I see. So you're not upset that people called on MSNBC to apologize, you're upset they actually did.

You should love a lot of Fox News talent, then. They're called on to apologize and don't all the time.

You'd also like this Ann Coulter chick. People demand her head for stuff she says nearly daily, and she never backs down.


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 Goliath wrote:
If there was this massive outrage when the right wing did this sort of thing

How many times must we tell you that there is, out of curiosity?

 Seaward wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
So MSNBC didn't fire the person that made the tweet? They didn't make a grovelling apology?

Ah, I see. So you're not upset that people called on MSNBC to apologize, you're upset they actually did.

You should love a lot of Fox News talent, then. They're called on to apologize and don't all the time.

You'd also like this Ann Coulter chick. People demand her head for stuff she says nearly daily, and she never backs down.

Kinda? I mean, I'm not upset at the fact that they apologised. If the act of the tweet and the apology was taken in complete isolation, I'd be perfectly happy with the apology. It's the fact that there's this sort of obligation for them to apologise, and even when they do they get this sort of thread pop up in the aftermath. meanwhile, like you say, Fox News talent is happily annoying people and refusing to apologise.
I'm almost annoyed at them for folding, if that makes sense? I think they should have apologised, but the fact that they didn't just tough it out and go "we stand by what we said", like Fox News does is kind of annoying, purely for showing that if you poke them enough, they'll fold.

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 Goliath wrote:
If there was this massive outrage when the right wing did this sort of thing

How many times must we tell you that there is, out of curiosity?

Sorry, I've been flitting back and forth between this, making models and Arrow, so I'm missing some points that are being made. My original response was to that specific book, as I couldn't find any about it. If you say there's a lot of criticism towards Fox News (of the kind in this thread) then I'll take your word for it, as I'm not in the habit of trawling left wing forums and such to find outrage.

 Frazzled wrote:

Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?

Retribution.

Liberals using the same tactics used again Obama, similar to conservatives using the same tactics used against Bush.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?

Retribution.

For what?

 whembly wrote:

For what?

Check the edit.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?

Retribution.

Liberals using the same tactics used again Obama, similar to conservatives using the same tactics used against Bush.

? People were saying Bush wasn't born in the US? Que?

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

For what?

Check the edit.

Yeah... I know. ..

Just like that forged document of Bush's Military service that Dan Rather insists that their accurate.

Nutty all over...


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 Frazzled wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?

Retribution.

Liberals using the same tactics used again Obama, similar to conservatives using the same tactics used against Bush.

? People were saying Bush wasn't born in the US? Que?

I'm guessing he meant that Dan Rather forged document ordeal.

Well two things stand out overall....Mitt Romney adopted black grandson...Obama insinuated by NBC trials and hardships is comparable to Remsburgs ten deployments and IED injuries...

Third be Fox Female news casters way hotter.

Fourth. My "Give a dammn" button busted on the race card being thrown around and how quickly is escalates out of control

Fifth. Watters on Fox News asking people if they watch the SOTU address and what they think about it during the day and way before the actual speech. I agree with Beckel from "The Five" he should have added more caucasians into the mix. Still though it was funny.

Six. I am voting for Grim just because he's was so willing to crush a reporter

Seventh. Catching up on Grimm.

Eight. Its not the end of the world

Nine. You young people in the US need to sign up on ObamaCare to make it work.

Ten. I'm racist against insurgents

Eleven. Your racist regardless of what you say. Racism covers a whole slew of "gotcha's"

Twelve. Fox Female News Reporters are way hotter....

 Frazzled wrote:

? People were saying Bush wasn't born in the US? Que?

Nah, but liberals often acted as though Bush was history's greatest monster, and that approach drove the conservative response to Obama. The idea, in both cases, to rally political support for a given cause.

Don't forget a war criminal to