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xruslanx wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

xruslanx wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

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In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

Yes it is. It is not universally true, but popular city centre bars very often charge for entry. Clubs almost invariably do, and it's still being charged £5 simply to get into the damn place.

I live in London and I've never been charged to enter a bar or pub. Clubs tend to charge but that's different entirely to what you first said. There's white knighting and then there's outright dishonesty.

 Baragash wrote:
but now your point is looking about as strong as GW's half-year performance.

I have to start using this phrase

 Baragash wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

I think he's confusing "pubs" with "clubs"... but then again he is from an alternate reality, so who knows...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

I think he's confusing "pubs" with "clubs"... but then again he is from an alternate reality, so who knows...

In fairness, in this, he's correct.

There are many hybrid pubs (a local Wetherspoons chain pub springs to mind) who open late and have a dance floor and music at weekends but operate as a normal pub the rest of the week. It isn't unusual for these places to charge an entry fee. I wouldn't say often but it certainly isn't all that unusual either.

I'd imagine it isn't all that common in London due to the sheer volume of competition, but in a reasonable sized market town, where you have maybe 4 or 5 viable pubs, and perhaps one or two that aren't a bit seedy, it is perhaps easier and more common practice.

It was a pretty successful derailment though. This pub talk.

The job postings on GW's site have been so informative as to what's really going on with the company. First you have the customer experience position where someone will spend two years investigating the experience of GW's customers. Not with the product or the games themselves, but with buying the wonderful miniatures GW sells . Now they're looking for people to run a room of display cases as if it's some sort of precious museum. It's hilariously awesome.

 azreal13 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

I think he's confusing "pubs" with "clubs"... but then again he is from an alternate reality, so who knows...

In fairness, in this, he's correct.

There are many hybrid pubs (a local Wetherspoons chain pub springs to mind) who open late and have a dance floor and music at weekends but operate as a normal pub the rest of the week. It isn't unusual for these places to charge an entry fee. I wouldn't say often but it certainly isn't all that unusual either.

I'd imagine it isn't all that common in London due to the sheer volume of competition, but in a reasonable sized market town, where you have maybe 4 or 5 viable pubs, and perhaps one or two that aren't a bit seedy, it is perhaps easier and more common practice.

Maybe, but my local Weatherspoons has never charged for entry. The only thing they do is request ID after 9PM. I know some bars that do this too, but i have never been charged for entry into a pub/bar.

I voted for the hobbit, because it would definitely go if they are able to break any contracts they might have. Gamesday is the most likely culprit though - it just doesn't add anything to the hobby.

I highly doubt they will scrap forgeworld with the HH in full swing. If FW was ever cut, I'd probably be done with GW for good though.

You forgot to put "prices" in the options.

One post on the 'boxed set" threads suggests there are reports from a rep commenting they'd pushed prices too far and will roll them back.

Sorry to distract from the doom and gloom. Now carry on.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
You forgot to put "prices" in the options.

One post on the 'boxed set" threads suggests there are reports from a rep commenting they'd pushed prices too far and will roll them back.

Sorry to distract from the doom and gloom. Now carry on.

I'll believe it when I see it. A fat price reduction would get me to re-evaluate looking at other games given that 40k is the most popular game locally.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
You forgot to put "prices" in the options.

One post on the 'boxed set" threads suggests there are reports from a rep commenting they'd pushed prices too far and will roll them back.

Sorry to distract from the doom and gloom. Now carry on.

I'll believe it when I see it. A fat price reduction would get me to re-evaluate looking at other games given that 40k is the most popular game locally.

Same here, GW prices are ever rising, under the mistaken belief that this will increase there profits.

I've never seen a single pub of bar in Scotland charge for entry. If they did, they'd be out of business instantly. Clubs on the other hand....

I'm missing a "None of the above: GW will prevail" option.

 Peregrine wrote:


Warhammer World: the same analysis is still true here. Having an open HQ with tons of gaming space and awesome events is a nice prestige thing, but it can't possibly be a net profit for GW and only a tiny minority of their customers will ever go there. Even WotC couldn't keep their gaming HQ profitable and had to close it, and I doubt GW is doing any better. Closing Warhammer World (and moving GW into a more modest office space) cuts expenses without a noticeable impact for most of their customers, so it's win/win.
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Why would you want to get rid of that? Doesn't it have like all these retro models? Which is very interesting.

A lot of new GW products are like Hasbro. Shiny, humorless, art direction run by marketing and appeal to 14 year old boys. While they are doing it they are slowly shrinking their product line. If they get rid of the museum then they can be an even more cold calculating profit machine. After that they can just replace all factions with space marines. Anyway I doubt a small complex like HQ is going to put a very big dent in the profit margin of such a huge company lol.

If GW wants to get out of the downward spiral it needs to stop screwing their customers over.

Kill finecast. More plastic + metal for obscure things.

Stop charging ridiculous prices like the box of 5 dire avengers for 41 aud when you used to get 10. Or the sisters of battle squad (10) for 79 dollars US or 135 AUD. The price of metal hasn't gone up that much....

Stop charging for all the paint guides and articles when many use to be free.

The competition looks after their customers and that's why GW is going to lose in the end if it is not careful...

A WHFB army or two will vanish (hopefully) to white dwarf or (more likely) get eaten by something and GW will pretend they never knew such things existed.

Once you can buy forgeworld instore there won't be any 'need' for games day

ahzek wrote:
Once you can buy forgeworld instore there won't be any 'need' for games day

Oh, I do hope Forge World can be sold in store. Well, commonly any way.

I do recall going to an independent store where he had some FW stuff for sale. That was like 10 years ago, in a small shop in the middle of the city.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

ahzek wrote:
Once you can buy forgeworld instore there won't be any 'need' for games day

Oh, I do hope Forge World can be sold in store. Well, commonly any way.

I do recall going to an independent store where he had some FW stuff for sale. That was like 10 years ago, in a small shop in the middle of the city.

Yeah I always get a small thrill when I see an independent with some forgeworld kits, often cheaper too as it's trade in

LotR/Hobbit won't be cut until at least a year after the third Hobbit movie is done.

 SorataZ wrote:
I'm missing a "None of the above: GW will prevail" option.

That is because the OP is neither crazy nor stupid....

The Auld Grump

 SorataZ wrote:
I'm missing a "None of the above: GW will prevail" option.

Go go gadget terrible photo manipulation in MS paint!




In all seriousness, my guess is Games Day, especially if they do merge the Forge World site with the GW site.

Given how GW behaves and the fact that they'll stick the course instead of changing their strategy, this is what they'll cut in order (as they'll still need to cut further each year to maintain the allusion of profits to shareholders):

1.) "Games" Day
2.) Warhammer World
3.) Retail Stores
4.) White Dwarf(s) 2.0
5.) Hobbit
6.) WHFB army
7.) 40k army
9.) WHFB as a whole
10.) Black Library
11.) Forge World
12.) 40k as a whole
13.) Lawyers

Above all else GW will keep the lawyers. Even if they gave up Space Marines, there'd still be lawyers in Nottingham.

MadMarkMagee wrote:
Why would you want to get rid of that?

It's not about what we want, it's about what we expect GW to do. And Warhammer World is probably being run at a loss so that GW can have the prestige of being the only miniatures company with such an awesome HQ. But when it's time to start cutting costs it would be easy for GW's management to look purely at the profit/loss numbers and decide that Warhammer World is not worth keeping. Obviously this would be bad for us as customers (or at least for the customers who live close enough to ever go there), but GW is clearly not putting the interests of their customers first.

 Peregrine wrote:
And Warhammer World is probably being run at a loss

What's the basis for this?

 Baragash wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
And Warhammer World is probably being run at a loss

What's the basis for this?

Two things:

1) It costs money to run Warhammer World, but doesn't cost money to visit and play there. They do charge entry fees for organized events, but we know from third-party TOs that a big event is happy to break even and most TOs do it because they love the game, not because it makes lots of money. The only potential profit is the vague idea that more people will buy GW games in general because the existence of an awesome gaming HQ makes the game more appealing.

2) WOTC tried to run a similar gaming center, and eventually closed it because they were losing too much money. Yes, there are probably differences in things like rent in downtown Seattle vs. GW's middle of nowhere office building, but the fact that WOTC gave up entirely suggests that it's not a very profitable business concept.

So, obviously we will never know for sure, but it's a pretty reasonable guess that Warhammer World is run at a loss.

The Hobbit/ LOTR games really have not been interesting to anyone i met, looks boring, is boring, and to be honest i think thats the next step to the end of the game. I can't seem to find any of the Warhammer RPGs like necromunda and such for sale on the sight

Warhammer world is a small section on the large HQ campus, which I'm fairly certain GW own outright. The majority of the campus is not open to the public.

The pub (Bugmans) serves the staff as well as the general public. It can get pretty busy, especially when events are on, and it's usually got a few people in it. I see quieter pubs in the city centre. I doubt it runs at a loss.

The on-site store is reasonably busy too - I use it (as do many others locally) because the parking is free and it's not in the city centre (making it easier to get to). I doubt it runs at a loss.

The gaming hall is large though - presumably it costs a fair amount to heat and maintain. Many of the tables are recycled for Games Days / shows. Hosting of events (such as the FW open day / tournaments) should cover its costs.

I don't understand how a profitable company can be viewed as nearly dead with "the vultures circling". The share price went down because there was no dividend announced and, therefore, no incentive to hang onto shares. In current investment climate of "where is my next revenue comming from?" investors all yelled "sell, sell, sell". This is their common knee-jerk reaction. It's how good investors can build a good portfolio of shares on the cheap. (I'm not suggesting GW is a good investment).

People will say that no dividends mean the company is failing but there are many reasons not to announce a dividend. Reinvestment of funds is one and restructure is another. Perhaps all the redundancies from the move to one-man stores is another. It's impossible to say unless you are on the board at GW.

Apolgies to all the people who hate GW but it's going nowhere. It will have to perform some soul searching and right the wrongs if profits decrease further but they are still making profits and look to continue to do so. Their 70% gross margin will continue to produce a sizeable profit regardless of how far revenues fall.

I've been out of gaming for around 10 years and I am just now getting back into it alittle thanks to Warzone and Infinity. I used to run a space marine army and a steel legion guard army. I had a griffon and an exterminator tank that i used all the time. I stopped playing 40K when GW came out with 4th edition came out and suddenly those two tanks ceased to exist. It was getting expensive then having to buy a new rule book every two to three years. On top of that prices were rising then, and I don't see how anyone can afford to build an army with their current prices. GW has lost their freaking minds. The prices have more than tripled, yet the quality hasn't improved at all. Yet look at what Prodos and Corvis Belli is putting out for a fraction of the price. I love the novels and still read them. I don't know what the hell GW is thinking. They are screwing the very people who pay their bills. All of the local shops carry a very minimal amount of their stuff, especially compared to what used to be carried back in the day. I loved alot of the smaller games such as Necromunda, Battlefleet Gothic, Gorkamorka, and Blood Bowl. Its a shame if they go away, but they did it to themselves if they do. They need to realise that they are not the only game in town, literally.

Silver_skates wrote:

Their 70% gross margin will continue to produce a sizeable profit regardless of how far revenues fall.

Funny how profits fell even more than revenue then... (profits fell 38% while revenue "only" fell 12%)

 Peregrine wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
And Warhammer World is probably being run at a loss

What's the basis for this?

Two things:

1) It costs money to run Warhammer World, but doesn't cost money to visit and play there. They do charge entry fees for organized events, but we know from third-party TOs that a big event is happy to break even and most TOs do it because they love the game, not because it makes lots of money. The only potential profit is the vague idea that more people will buy GW games in general because the existence of an awesome gaming HQ makes the game more appealing.

2) WOTC tried to run a similar gaming center, and eventually closed it because they were losing too much money. Yes, there are probably differences in things like rent in downtown Seattle vs. GW's middle of nowhere office building, but the fact that WOTC gave up entirely suggests that it's not a very profitable business concept.

So, obviously we will never know for sure, but it's a pretty reasonable guess that Warhammer World is run at a loss.

Mostly this:

winterdyne wrote:
Warhammer world is a small section on the large HQ campus, which I'm fairly certain GW own outright. The majority of the campus is not open to the public.

The pub (Bugmans) serves the staff as well as the general public. It can get pretty busy, especially when events are on, and it's usually got a few people in it. I see quieter pubs in the city centre. I doubt it runs at a loss.

The on-site store is reasonably busy too - I use it (as do many others locally) because the parking is free and it's not in the city centre (making it easier to get to). I doubt it runs at a loss.

The gaming hall is large though - presumably it costs a fair amount to heat and maintain. Many of the tables are recycled for Games Days / shows. Hosting of events (such as the FW open day / tournaments) should cover its costs.

I find it unlikely WHW runs at a loss.