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Someone just linked to a thread on the Dwarven Forge forums where Stefan was showing the backside of some tiles and the gold he's using. Personally, these pics make me less tempted to buy the painted version, but I'm very happy with the look of the sculpts. (He does say the pics don't do the paint jobs justice, see quote below)

http://www.dwarvenforge.com/forum?func=view&catid=517&id=61912

Stefan wrote:Backsides and close ups

just a quick post showing the backsides and some close ups of the glittering mineral deposits that some of the pieces have.....I used metallic paint to create what looks like viens of something....maybe iron ore? Looks awesome in the flesh....pics don't really do justice....

 Alpharius wrote:
A question for anyone who went with "Expertly Hand Painted" sets last time around - what did you think?

Reports said basically it was hit or miss, with some people saying that steps were omitted on their pieces, creating a stark contrast between paint layers. Others had nothing but praise, claiming they could never have done the painting on their own. Personally, I think the overall result was good for a first effort by DF. I'm sure the caverns will prove a bit more complex in terms of painting QA, but should follow the same process of basecoat, highlight a few areas with some color, then drybrush a couple coats on top.

I plan to paint my caverns myself.

~iPaint

 -iPaint- wrote:
I plan to paint my caverns myself.

~iPaint

With a username like that, you better be

900K was broken briefly (and will be broken again soon I think) so the next stretch was posted: spider webs, 1 free in each set when 1 million is hit.

That's a bit of a bummer for me because it's a freebie, thus making less room in the sets for other freebies, but I think totally useless to me

 RiTides wrote:

 -iPaint- wrote:
I plan to paint my caverns myself.

~iPaint

With a username like that, you better be

900K was broken briefly (and will be broken again soon I think) so the next stretch was posted: spider webs, 1 free in each set when 1 million is hit.

That's a bit of a bummer for me because it's a freebie, thus making less room in the sets for other freebies, but I think totally useless to me

Yeah, as a $1 million stretch, it seems lackluster, but I think we're only just now starting to get into the real meat of this campaign. The sample spider web pics had some amazing elevated pieces. I can't imagine for a second DF will fall short on getting those pieces to production.



~iPaint

We need more of the 'in cavern' features/"furniture" and 'elevation options'!

I've been critical of everything about this campaign so far (rate of stretch goals, having the tile program to stretch it to $200k between actual physical rewards).

That said, for another 100k, it's certainly not an optimal option, but it's a decent choice at least in my personal opinion.

I'm not really that impressed with it for $100K and getting to the somewhat still impressive $1M level.

With what we've seen of the campaign so far, and where we are (in the middling section), unless something jaw dropping gets added to really drive home some people on the fences or get a whole heap of new blood, I think we're going to see some simple stuff as we sort of plod along for the next 3 weeks.

Some decent goals hopefully, some stuff that elevates the value, but I suspect it'll be the last few days when things really take off again and the momentum sweeps people up.

42-45k for days 3 and 4 on Kicktraq are very solid, but I imagine this 100k will take us at least 3 days, if not longer. There'll be a little restlessness among the comments, but with 3 weeks remaining, I have no problem with things settling into a bit of a holding pattern.

To drive a little interest, I could see having a minor stretch goal based on things other than just funding. Hitting 3,000 backers, for example. Or getting X shares/likes on some Facebook stuff to help get people spreading the word (above and beyond what's already being done here and on other forums).

But yeah, not exactly a crazy 1m stretch goal, but I hope we start seeing some smaller goals soon, things that can be achieved even during the waffling middle of a campaign (as is commonly the case).

Well, I fought the good fight with the fanboys in the comments lol. Obviously, this was a lackluster goal- and worse, one that costs them money for something many won't want!

However, I'm over it and will just look forward to the next goal, which they'll hopefully show as an on-deck one instead of waiting 3 - 5 days for this one to be hit (it would likely help this one be hit faster, too).

The fact that they've delayed posting a "goal hit" update makes me hope they've taken the constructive criticism and have better add-ons / free pieces (likely alternating goals) in store.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
This pic showing possible future pieces was taken down soon after the campaign was put up, but luckily one of the backers saved it!



There's not a lot to see, but still, it's something . And looks a helluva lot better than symmetrical plastic webs . Actually puts my mind at ease a lot- there's apparently quite a bit to look forward to, they're just being extremely cagey about revealing it for some reason.

Stefan posted that he's sculpting now and that there will be a "cool update" tomorrow... looking forward to it.

I think the sculpts are done. Their marketing is a spoon-feed tactic. Seems effective.
BTW I love my dungeon tiles. They looked beautiful, prepainted, and arrived on time.

 judgedoug wrote:
Yup, I just logged into the DF fundafull and it confirmed that I pledged for for 2 sets but bought 3.

I have finally discovered how you did this! From the comments:

Jenney O'Callaghan wrote:@ peer you can continuously move around. Last time you were capped at base sets in the pledge manager for total $ spent not your actual pledge level. You could not add additional base sets beyond your pledge total $.
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Ex if your total pledge was $500 you couldn't upgrade to 10 sets in the manager
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But the manager did allow you to add add-ons beyond your total pledge $ and then they asked for additional payment in the pledge manager.
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There is a good chance this KS will be the same... Unless someone else has heard differently.?.?

In the picture you posted, judgedoug, you had originally pledged enough money in the Kickstarter to cover 3 sets worth of terrain, even though you had selected the pledge level for 2 sets.

So that is what matters- how much money you've pledged during the campaign is equivalent to what pledge levels you're able to select in the manager. You can then add on add-ons (or even more sets at the add-on price, I think) but not go to a higher pledge level in the manager, if you didn't have enough money to cover that pledge level during the campaign.

So it looks like what they told Cyporiean last time was actually accurate, you just kind of found a loophole .

This means I'll definitely keep my pledge for the higher number of sets during the campaign, and just pick any add-on packs I'd like afterwards, rather than the other way around.

It's funny, but unless I've missed something, money received during the pledge manager is more valuable than money received during the Kickstarter.

When the campaign ends, KS and Amazon payments take their cut, which for a large campaign like this will end up being around 10%.

Whereas the money that comes from paypal or a credit card (if the latter option exists) takes, as far as I'm aware, vastly less than 10%. More like a small transaction fee, maybe 1-3% or something.

So $100 from Kickstarter is worth less to them than $100 from the PM.

Now, granted, money earned during the KS and unlocking stretch goals by having that guaranteed funding and being able to entice more and more backers for more and more money can be a nicely snowballing/avalanche of funding, and the community spirit can be hard to beat, and any other number of reasons to focus on the KS campaign itself. It's just interesting when a campaign writes in restrictions like that. Surely someone realizing during the PM that they can justify buying 3 sets instead of 2 is a net good thing for all involved?

Not a complaint, just an observation from a KS veteran.

Looks like the update will be coming tonight:

Stefan Pokorny 41 minutes ago
Now I'm back to sculpting! sorry if I'm rough around the edges this morning...was up really late painting something that you will see tonight!

 Forar wrote:
It's funny, but unless I've missed something, money received during the pledge manager is more valuable than money received during the Kickstarter.

When the campaign ends, KS and Amazon payments take their cut, which for a large campaign like this will end up being around 10%.

Whereas the money that comes from paypal or a credit card (if the latter option exists) takes, as far as I'm aware, vastly less than 10%. More like a small transaction fee, maybe 1-3% or something.

So $100 from Kickstarter is worth less to them than $100 from the PM.

Now, granted, money earned during the KS and unlocking stretch goals by having that guaranteed funding and being able to entice more and more backers for more and more money can be a nicely snowballing/avalanche of funding, and the community spirit can be hard to beat, and any other number of reasons to focus on the KS campaign itself. It's just interesting when a campaign writes in restrictions like that. Surely someone realizing during the PM that they can justify buying 3 sets instead of 2 is a net good thing for all involved?

Not a complaint, just an observation from a KS veteran.

i think thats more or less the reason why bigger companies use there own PM vs the stock kickstarter one. For the dreamforge and bones (i believe) it ported in your pledge amount which put your balance into the negative and it then allowed you to pick the stuff you want, if your stuff zeros out your balance great, if you end up having to pay more then its KS fee free money

Update: 45 degree pieces, just sculpted yesterday! What a great idea. 2 included in the narrow passages add-on, but I'm hoping for some for the main set as a later stretch goal, since it has none currently.

Looks awesome, though . Pretty excited by this update!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dwarvenforge/dwarven-forges-caverns-dwarvenite-game-tiles-mini/posts/780266


Also, a preview!

Sneak Peek

More new free stretch goals and add-ons are also coming. In fact, many are being adapted based on recent backer input, so they are still in development. But here’s a quick preview of a few items coming very soon: Lava, Elevations, Stalagmites, 45-degree Floors. And if you thought we might be holding back, well, we are saving some great ones for later in the campaign. We think you’ll love those, too.

*thumbs up*

It's nice to see them reaching out like this. I've got faith DF won't let us down.

 Forar wrote:
*thumbs up*

It's nice to see them reaching out like this. I've got faith DF won't let us down.

Yep, I am really impressed with how quickly they pulled that idea together. The 45 degree pieces will be a great addition.

~iPaint

 ironicsilence wrote:

i think thats more or less the reason why bigger companies use there own PM vs the stock kickstarter one. For the dreamforge and bones (i believe) it ported in your pledge amount which put your balance into the negative and it then allowed you to pick the stuff you want, if your stuff zeros out your balance great, if you end up having to pay more then its KS fee free money

There is no 'stock one', just a terrible one shot survey form builder.

Hopefully the update from yesterday carries some momentum into this week as people wake up and see it . Should break 3000 backers late today. I do think they'd do better to just lay all their cards on the table, at least a little bit, but they're going to reveal things very piecemeal... seems to be their style!

That said, they responded really quickly to the suggestion of 45 degree pieces from the backer survey, so I am pretty happy with how they are listening to backers.

Would've be nice to have an indication of whether or not there will be a floor add-on pack (since apparently they're not going to do a larger floor piece this time, according to comments from folks, although I haven't seen the source). If there isn't one, I guess that will save me some money, though and I should have a decent number of floors just from the sets / unlocks so far.



Edit: New pic of 2 sets with all stretch goal tiles unlocked so far:

A large floor piece would also be good for elevations. Its what I tend to use my 6" x 6" and 6" x 4" floor pieces for.

Dwarven Forge wrote:Creator Dwarven Forge 9 minutes ago
We just hit 3,000 backers! We will have an Update Wednesday morning that shares some info to mark this occasion. Thanks for all the support!
-- Jeff

Creator Dwarven Forge 7 minutes ago
Hint: It will be some "hot" news...
-- Jeff

Interesting...

Obvious answer is revealing the magma based tiles/themed paintjob add on that was pictured earlier.

IE: not the arctic themed one I was drooling over earlier. >.>

But those were sexy tiles all the same.

Yeah, I dislike the lava paint job, personally... also preferred the arctic look. I'm hoping there's another piece but it's probably just the paint job.

Still, will be cool too see another update regardless

Agreed. And given some of the crazy folks who go in for 10-20+ sets, every add on increases the chances of seeing a bunch of people up their pledges accordingly.

Even if the add ons aren't really for me, I totally love seeing the new ones, and hope there are backers who want to put them on the table.

Dwarven Forge wrote:Creator Dwarven Forge 1 minute ago
Larger Floor Tile? -- It is an idea that Stefan is actively pursuing.
-- Jeff

Yes!

 Forar wrote:
Obvious answer is revealing the magma based tiles/themed paintjob add on that was pictured earlier.

IE: not the arctic themed one I was drooling over earlier. >.>

But those were sexy tiles all the same.

Pics of said arctic theme?

I'm impressed with how easily the tiles can pull off the mag-ma (Dr. Evil pinky raises to corner of mouth) look.

~iPaint

3000 backers update is up!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dwarvenforge/dwarven-forges-caverns-dwarvenite-game-tiles-mini/posts/780653

2 free 45 degree pieces in each set is the 1.1M stretch goal

The update also shows the alternate lava scheme, but what's most interesting to me is the new piece they've shown: Floor D (so far there have been walls A-C, corners A-C, and floors A-C). It's the piece in the bottom right of the below pic:



I would really like to see that piece painted up in the normal scheme, I think it would look really good! Hopefully, it will be added to the base set as a future stretch goal (1.3M?)... more floors would be most welcome

I'm wondering if it would be better to go for a painted 3x set, or a painted 2x set and get some of the add ons? There's not alot of painted 2x set pledges left.

Go for as many sets as you can. If you go 5 sets, you don't need the add ons because you'll be getting the passage pieces and 45 degree pieces in the free stretch goals.
It all boils down to how big of a layout you want to make.
A tile is 2"X2". A ten x ten tile layout makes a 20" square, and uses 100 tiles.

What about things like the lava scheme or eventual frost scheme? Don't you need to add them on if you want them, or do they come as part of the pledge eventually as well?