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 generalchaos34 wrote:
Maybe just maybe D weapons will be adjusted among other changes, we really dont know, but since the 2 flagships of this new eidition are BA and Orks, im going to say that CC will get some sort of boost, since im sure they learned that making your flagship armies (DA and Chaos) suck is not good for sales.

It really was kind of impressive how DV was supposed to refocus the game more only Chaos vs the IoM, with a strong and popular DA and CSM and proceeded to do anything but that. I occasionally see DA armies, but usually just as allies. CSM armies still exist, but not as popular as they were in 5th and before.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I figured out why 7th is coming out so soon:

GW wants to sell all the Sisters players a new codex with even LESS models in it!

I wonder if SOB will even be mentioned in the new 7th.

Yes, because it wouldn't be a new edition without the Sisters players getting strung along some more.


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 Wyzilla wrote:
Have people completely forgotten about Kill Team? I don't understand the complaints about how GW needs to make a small focused game, when they already have and it's existed for a while.

I haven't but the availability of the rules is pants for giving it to new players. It needs to be in the core rulebook.

Uhhhhhh, yeah, about that. If you have a computer to order miniatures online, you can get the kill team rules with fair ease. It should be in the BRB, but they aren't hard to get.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Uhhhhhh, yeah, about that. If you have a computer to order miniatures online, you can get the kill team rules with fair ease. It should be in the BRB, but they aren't hard to get.

Oh, I own the Kill Team rules (I have the iPad version and even covered it for the curious who wanted to know what was going on before they spent their money), but they're hardly in the store for new players to see and know about now are they? Having to go online to find rules so you can play a game with your first box of Tactical Marines is a bit off putting and frankly a pants idea. It really needs to be on the shelf or in the rulebook. Preferably the latter.

KTG17 wrote:
Sorry I know there is the monster thread going on about 7th rumors, but since we all know its coming out now, I was wondering if anyone knew WHY. It seems really soon after DV, and while I am not crazy about everything in 6th, it still seemed to look like it was going well. I am not a hardcore 40k player like most of you, so I dont know whats wrong with the current version. I mean, I assume there must be issues if GW is doing this. Can anyone name a few reasons why this might be a good thing? What is terribly wrong with 6th?

Could it be poor sales?

are we sure this is 7th edition and not 6.5?

Perhaps the DV starter set isnt selling very well, for umm some reason, like maybe because CSM and DA have the 2 worst 6th edition codexes but whatever.

Perhaps GW is trying to increase it's BA and Ork sales, and GW loves orks, loves to put them in a starter set when they can, so maybe they are just going with 6.5. Add in escalation and a few other things, not fix any of the FMC, MC, ignores cover, or assault problems and just try and get a little more money out of a new starter set and rulebook.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I figured out why 7th is coming out so soon:

GW wants to sell all the Sisters players a new codex with even LESS models in it!

Wow. It all makes sense now.

 da001 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I figured out why 7th is coming out so soon:

GW wants to sell all the Sisters players a new codex with even LESS models in it!

Wow. It all makes sense now.

It make such a sad bit of sense, doesn't it?

 Exergy wrote:

KTG17 wrote:
Sorry I know there is the monster thread going on about 7th rumors, but since we all know its coming out now, I was wondering if anyone knew WHY. It seems really soon after DV, and while I am not crazy about everything in 6th, it still seemed to look like it was going well. I am not a hardcore 40k player like most of you, so I dont know whats wrong with the current version. I mean, I assume there must be issues if GW is doing this. Can anyone name a few reasons why this might be a good thing? What is terribly wrong with 6th?

Could it be poor sales?

are we sure this is 7th edition and not 6.5?

Perhaps the DV starter set isnt selling very well, for umm some reason, like maybe because CSM and DA have the 2 worst 6th edition codexes but whatever.

Perhaps GW is trying to increase it's BA and Ork sales, and GW loves orks, loves to put them in a starter set when they can, so maybe they are just going with 6.5. Add in escalation and a few other things, not fix any of the FMC, MC, ignores cover, or assault problems and just try and get a little more money out of a new starter set and rulebook.

If they had the sense to make a new starter set, and made it IG vs Orks, I'd be one happy bunny. That'd be IG for my IG, and Orks for my zombies
But there have been quite a few people saying that GW is just going to give the DV set a new book, and leave it at that :c

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 da001 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I figured out why 7th is coming out so soon:

GW wants to sell all the Sisters players a new codex with even LESS models in it!

Wow. It all makes sense now.

It make such a sad bit of sense, doesn't it?

Sad Story Time! (Obviously I didn't write this)

Deep within the bowls of near eternal darkness, the ten sisters of battle sat within plastic containment. The two stuck together in one pocket of plastic had been good friends for well over a decade now.
"Sister Maria...when will we get to serve the Emperor?" she would ask at least once a week. Ready to hear the comfort from her superior.
"Nisa...soon. Soon we will show them the Emperor's fury." Maria would always reply in a confident tone.
This dance of emotional support spun on for years... one day, though. One day everything shifted. Jostled from sleep, Sister Nisa exclaimed, "Maria! Maria! We're moving! We're going to get to serve the Emperor!"
"Yes Sister Nisa!" replied Maria with excitement.
Soon, light filled their world. The dim blue gray of overhanging light-tubes. The plastic was opened, and the sisters were dumped with their squad into a massive bucket filled with other sisters.
"Maria! Where are you?!" Nisa yelled "Here here, over here!" Maria jostled her way over the other sisters to Nisa, "Surely this will be the largest holy war the Sororitas has ever seen or will see!"
Thousands of Sisters of battle yelled praises to the Emperor as they were dumped into a lead bowl. "A transport?" questioned Maria, as the cold metal touched her. The world moved again, and orange light filled the air and their bucket was placed into an enclosure.
"Its hot Sister Maria! Its hot!" exclaimed Nisa in panic.
"Don't worry Sister Nisa. We will serve the Emperor. We are protected!" she said as pewter droplets began to form on the surface of her armor and roll off into the container. "The Emperor protects!"
That was the last word from the sister as her face boiled away and pooled into the bottom of the container... in a matter of minutes the super heated oven had turned all the Sisters into a pewter bar. Ready to be melted into other forms or separated for its various metals.

 Accolade wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 da001 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I figured out why 7th is coming out so soon:

GW wants to sell all the Sisters players a new codex with even LESS models in it!

Wow. It all makes sense now.

It make such a sad bit of sense, doesn't it?

Sad Story Time! (Obviously I didn't write this)

Deep within the bowls of near eternal darkness, the ten sisters of battle sat within plastic containment. The two stuck together in one pocket of plastic had been good friends for well over a decade now.
"Sister Maria...when will we get to serve the Emperor?" she would ask at least once a week. Ready to hear the comfort from her superior.
"Nisa...soon. Soon we will show them the Emperor's fury." Maria would always reply in a confident tone.
This dance of emotional support spun on for years... one day, though. One day everything shifted. Jostled from sleep, Sister Nisa exclaimed, "Maria! Maria! We're moving! We're going to get to serve the Emperor!"
"Yes Sister Nisa!" replied Maria with excitement.
Soon, light filled their world. The dim blue gray of overhanging light-tubes. The plastic was opened, and the sisters were dumped with their squad into a massive bucket filled with other sisters.
"Maria! Where are you?!" Nisa yelled "Here here, over here!" Maria jostled her way over the other sisters to Nisa, "Surely this will be the largest holy war the Sororitas has ever seen or will see!"
Thousands of Sisters of battle yelled praises to the Emperor as they were dumped into a lead bowl. "A transport?" questioned Maria, as the cold metal touched her. The world moved again, and orange light filled the air and their bucket was placed into an enclosure.
"Its hot Sister Maria! Its hot!" exclaimed Nisa in panic.
"Don't worry Sister Nisa. We will serve the Emperor. We are protected!" she said as pewter droplets began to form on the surface of her armor and roll off into the container. "The Emperor protects!"
That was the last word from the sister as her face boiled away and pooled into the bottom of the container... in a matter of minutes the super heated oven had turned all the Sisters into a pewter bar. Ready to be melted into other forms or separated for its various metals.

Ah yes, I recall that thread by /tg/. Someone later said they'd be recast into Draigo models (joke is on them, Draigo later went Finecast).

But yes, that thread prompted a number of people to go buy Sisters models to "save them".

Yeah, that story had a "Toy Story" punch to it that probably did get some people buying miniatures.

You know, really I just wish GW wouldn't have priced them so high. They've obviously had issues selling the stock for years, and it's not like they do sales. I just wish they hadn't continued to raise their prices, then people might have bought them (I know I would have purchased more).

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, that story had a "Toy Story" punch to it that probably did get some people buying miniatures.

You know, really I just wish GW wouldn't have priced them so high. They've obviously had issues selling the stock for years, and it's not like they do sales. I just wish they hadn't continued to raise their prices, then people might have bought them (I know I would have purchased more).

I did purchase them. A LOT of them. Like $3k worth over 3 years as I built my army.

And still no plastic models. You think that'd be enough of a spike of sales on that product that someone would notice, but apparently not.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, that story had a "Toy Story" punch to it that probably did get some people buying miniatures.

You know, really I just wish GW wouldn't have priced them so high. They've obviously had issues selling the stock for years, and it's not like they do sales. I just wish they hadn't continued to raise their prices, then people might have bought them (I know I would have purchased more).

I did purchase them. A LOT of them. Like $3k worth over 3 years as I built my army.

And still no plastic models. You think that'd be enough of a spike of sales on that product that someone would notice, but apparently not.

Maybe they noticed, I just don't think they care.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, that story had a "Toy Story" punch to it that probably did get some people buying miniatures.

You know, really I just wish GW wouldn't have priced them so high. They've obviously had issues selling the stock for years, and it's not like they do sales. I just wish they hadn't continued to raise their prices, then people might have bought them (I know I would have purchased more).

I did purchase them. A LOT of them. Like $3k worth over 3 years as I built my army.

And still no plastic models. You think that'd be enough of a spike of sales on that product that someone would notice, but apparently not.

Maybe they noticed, I just don't think they care.

Depends on which "they" you speak of. The Dev team seems to care but the bean counters and execs show the community no love.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, that story had a "Toy Story" punch to it that probably did get some people buying miniatures.

You know, really I just wish GW wouldn't have priced them so high. They've obviously had issues selling the stock for years, and it's not like they do sales. I just wish they hadn't continued to raise their prices, then people might have bought them (I know I would have purchased more).

I did purchase them. A LOT of them. Like $3k worth over 3 years as I built my army.

And still no plastic models. You think that'd be enough of a spike of sales on that product that someone would notice, but apparently not.

Maybe they noticed, I just don't think they care.

Depends on which "they" you speak of. The Dev team seems to care but the bean counters and execs show the community no love.

I meant the devs as well.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I meant the devs as well.

I have to disagree then. I think they care, but don't really have much in the way of "pull" for a lot of things (such as if a model is getting discontinued or not) nor do I think they really see the full scope of the outside player base, and what they do know is severely lagged from what's going out here.

Yeah....

If only there was some way they could reach out to the player base and educate themselves, or even just simply read about what the player base was thinking/talking about or dissatisfied with, without necessarily exposing themselves to any sort of backlash!

 azreal13 wrote:
Yeah....

If only there was some way they could reach out to the player base and educate themselves, or even just simply read about what the player base was thinking/talking about or dissatisfied with, without necessarily exposing themselves to any sort of backlash!

To be a small devil's advocate, even the tamest blog or forum would have some backlash, even if we didn't know they were reading it just because of how we tend to point our ire.

That said there is a way to reach the rules team: traditional post. I'd originally mailed things in to Phil Kelly to this address and one of the things I was advised was that they have two teams which occasionally switch around so it's best to instead direct things to the Citadel Rules team as so:

Citadel Rules Writers
Willow Road
Lenton
Nottingham
NG7 2WS

My advice to anyone wanting to send in letters is to be polite and try to explain your points completely. From a professional writing standpoint (and I've got several years experience drafting correspondence for the Army) a correspondence written to clearly explain your point, and when it is negative, address the issues without casting blame is both more likely to be read completely and actually considered.

Just some friendly advice for anyone wanting to give it a go.

Once I've got the new rulebook in my hands later this month and have had a chance to see how it takes the game I plan to write them with things concerning both a number of armies (such as CSM (like about Cult Terminator options for instance) and Dark Angels(namely regarding the fact that Deathwing isn't a functional army and the problems with both Terminators and Plasma being costed like they are) but possible the core rules as well. If anyone doesn't want to take the time to write in but wants to have me address something feel free to shoot me a PM and I'll do my best to work it in.