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Hmm salty lol. Most likely to be 4 week release window if they're doing Greater Daemons. I think it'd be cool if they throw in bitz to do the character Daemons from the Codex/Armies books.

Hastings also specified that the big Nurglish thing is NOT a Great Unclean One and is actually bigger than that.

Yeah, it's a rumor but if it's true I'll have more time to save money for the Blood Angel rumor. Happy me.

Avian wrote:
Hastings also specified that the big Nurglish thing is NOT a Great Unclean One and is actually bigger than that.

plague Tower/Catapult?

Why release a new kit when there are things in the book that need massive updates, especially with the new 40k rules and the potential to summon daemons or become possessed?

Really hope the new GD are on the 120 x 90 bases. It would make sense considering the size of some fantasy monsters.

I really hope it isn't a plague tower, if it needs to be a bigger daemon perhaps they'll be "exalted" and be LOW units.

Because GW are risk-averse, and it is less risky to release a model nobody has with new rules than re-design an existing unit where some may decide they prefer their existing models/that the new ones aren't sufficiently better to be worth buying.

I'm convinced this is the underlying reason why we rarely get resculpts, despite the many ageing models in the range that could use it, unless there is a transition into a new medium, in which case that's bringing a whole bunch of benefits to GW anyway.

Considering the "big Nurgle" rumour, could it be a Palanquin plastic kit, possibly with a chariot dual-build?

It's a gap in the range, it would be bigger than a GUO (no great achievement, the existing GUO is tiny remember) and would bring in a new unit.

I'll agree there,

there's no real chance of anything with a plastic unit being redone unless it becomes a dual build with something either existing (which just saves shelf space but is worth it for a company because of that) or something new

For the most part all the Daemon plastics are pretty good. Most of it just comes down to taste.

Some kind of Palanquin would be nice. Just please no apocalypse/LoW Plague Tower.

The GD really do need an update, they don't really fit the range at all anymore. I'd love them to re-release them on the larger bases and give them a boost in Stats. Strength 6 Bloodthirsters are a crime!

Assuming GW are still in money grab mode, which is a safe assumption if ever there was one, my first thought would be a chaos version of the Knight.

It was an obvious omission from the initial launch, rules and a suitable nurgly model can be knocked up quickly and with minimum expense given the base model 3D file already exists.

NoggintheNog wrote:
Assuming GW are still in money grab mode...

A business trying to make money. Oh no!!!!!!!! Some people should really think before throwing this tired, tired meme around.

Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

They'd be better off going down a generic road with different face/armour plates for each god. Even more rotten examples could easily be converted.

As nice as a Chaos Knight would be it would be nice if Chaos could get something of their own rather than just corrupted Imperial tech.

I might regret that if we get Lord of Skulls Mk. 2.

I really want Formations for Chaos Daemons so I will keep up hope for a "Summoning" formation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

UltraPrime wrote:

NoggintheNog wrote:
Assuming GW are still in money grab mode...

A business trying to make money. Oh no!!!!!!!! Some people should really think before throwing this tired, tired meme around.

Implying that the problem is GW's desire to make money, rather than delivering great product...

*Tips hat*

Verily!

 azreal13 wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

And there is lots of people not liking GW kits untill they see one in person, painted up in a striking sheme.
Lots of kits grow on you if you take the care to build and paint it as your own. Not all kits though....
Monopose is far worse than most design choises GW do. The new-ish helbrute is a great example of this -it loocked great at first, but the lack of poses made it incredibly boring.

 azreal13 wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

Yes, of course, it MUST be that GW have some sort of control over customers who slavishly buy everything rather than the possibility that they like models you don't and looks are subjective...

That doesn't have much to do with what he was saying Steve.

Well this thread spiraled off rapidly...

Daemons could certainly use a couple resculpts and rumors of new greater daemons have been persisting for a while. I wonder if/when they are released they will suffer from the daemon prince problem. That is the models were made a while back and just sat, then when they come out they don't match the detail level of other existing kits?

 Steve steveson wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

Yes, of course, it MUST be that GW have some sort of control over customers who slavishly buy everything rather than the possibility that they like models you don't and looks are subjective...

Yeah, way to miss my point.

I'm talking about people, who with no hint of irony, will declare their hatred for a new sculpt based on leaked pics, and then, sometimes in the same post, will bargain with themselves into "only purchasing x." These are often, but not always, the same people who will declare that if you did "x,y or z" to the new, hated, kit, then it wouldn't be too bad. Often where "x,y or z" requires such a shopping list of bits from other kits that the only economical way of obtaining them is to buy the kits for those models too.

It isn't the same offender in every thread, because people get passionate about different factions, obviously, but more often than not, there will be at least one, who will often trigger others to join in. The "abused spouse" metaphor is an often used and poor one, but there are definitely those people within GW's customer base who will jump through hoops to justify buying the latest thing, whether they actually like it or not.

I'd never say someone shouldn't buy a model if they like it, even if I, or the majority of other people, think its a poor kit/sculpt, the people I was referring to often seem to buy the stuff, irrespective of whether they like it or not.

EDIT: With the danger of perhaps slightly illustrating Azreal's point...

I think the Daemon prince kit problem was that it replaced a stunning metal miniature.

It's not really that bad IMHO. Some of the faces and weapons leave a lot to be desired but overall I think it's a nice kit. I think the paintjob helps.



The difference being that we had actually seen the plastic daemon prince long before it was released as there were mold problems IIRC. We haven't even had a hint of any GD kit and I doubt that GW would sit on it if it was ready to go.

stormboy wrote:
Well this thread spiraled off rapidly...

Daemons could certainly use a couple resculpts and rumors of new greater daemons have been persisting for a while. I wonder if/when they are released they will suffer from the daemon prince problem. That is the models were made a while back and just sat, then when they come out they don't match the detail level of other existing kits?

The only thing stoping plastic GDs being consigned to the same metaphorical bin as plastic Sisters, Warnounds and THawks is that Harry (or possibly Hastings) has actually claimed to see evidence of them in person.

Of course, this new "big Nurgle" thing could have been what was mistaken for a GUO, and the rest of it could all just be folklore.

I don't know:

A lot of the greater daemon models are currently Finecast, So its entirely possible that they would have a large demon release if they are switching all the Finecast models to Plastic ones.

Also if they are really pushing Demons, like the 7th ed demonology rules would suggest, then it would make sense that they would come out with additional support for them.

All in all, I agree to take it with a grain of salt, but It seems reasonable to me.

 Medium of Death wrote:
EDIT: With the danger of perhaps slightly illustrating Azreal's point...

I think the Daemon prince kit problem was that it replaced a stunning metal miniature.

It's not really that bad IMHO. Some of the faces and weapons leave a lot to be desire but overall I think it's a nice kit. I think the paintjob helps.

Spoiler:

The difference being that we had actually seen the plastic daemon prince long before it was released as there were mold problems IIRC. We haven't even had a hint of any GD kit and I doubt that GW would sit on it if it was ready to go.

I actually dislike that mini so much (most of it stemming from the head options) that I ultimately plan to have 12 Daemon Princes, 3 for each god, and none of them will be using that model. Every one will be an individual mini from a 3rd party, the only bit that I've used/will use are the wings, which I've picked up from bits sellers as I've needed them.

I know what you mean. I've got better options for any future princes that I already own and I don't see myself buying that kit anytime soon.

I still think it's OK for a basic catch all kit.

.. We finished this little diversion ... yes ..? Good.

the problem with the daemon prince kit are the heads, which are atrociously goofy looking. If you use the head that come in the spawn kit, you can make some really cool looking dp

Does anybody have that quote or rumour from ages ago that said Jes was working on some GD, perhaps the Bloodthirster? Think it was around the time of the last Daemon release or perhaps the one before the codex with flamers and screamers. Not sure if it will be that worthwhile adding given the quote about the Sisters during the 2010 Dark Eldar release.

Somebody get down to that open day and ask the hard questions!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

QFT


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 Fayric wrote:

And there is lots of people not liking GW kits untill they see one in person, painted up in a striking sheme.
Lots of kits grow on you if you take the care to build and paint it as your own. Not all kits though....
Monopose is far worse than most design choises GW do. The new-ish helbrute is a great example of this -it loocked great at first, but the lack of poses made it incredibly boring.

Hey, I like the new Helbrute. They had a huge amount of weapons options to fit onto a single kit, and provided additional head and bits options to boot. Besides, you can get a Dark Vengeance Helbrute, too. I don't see this as an issue worth focusing on, at least not in light of other similar issues.


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 Medium of Death wrote:
Does anybody have that quote or rumour from ages ago that said Jes was working on some GD, perhaps the Bloodthirster? Think it was around the time of the last Daemon release or perhaps the one before the codex with flamers and screamers. Not sure if it will be that worthwhile adding given the quote about the Sisters during the 2010 Dark Eldar release.

Somebody get down to that open day and ask the hard questions!

Well we know that Jes was working on Eldar jetbikes before the Eldar update, and we also know that since then he's shelved the concept model. It seems he makes a few models and only some make the cut. Since 2012, most of the daemon range needed an update, I can understand failing to update everything. I just think that they should be able to do second waves for armies again. Let's look at any model releases we've seen in the last 2 years outside of the codex updates...

CSM/DA in the starter box, Space Marines, Necrons, and Chaos Space Marines got models for Apocalypse... Am I missing anything? Ah, wait. The Helbrute. Of course. Although it was just one kit, it does show that GW hasn't developed any policy against model releases for their own sakes. Then again, it was pushed out with the Crimson Slaughter supplement. We've seen a few space marine models that Games Workshop has released for its website and one to promote a box set... All clearly special occasions that GW marked with their poster children.

What the track record says is that if we're expecting new Daemon models, we're also going to see some kind of new book. Codex, Campaign, War Zone, Supplement, or otherwise.