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Hang in there just a few more months, then after january and they aren't released, then you can be worried.
Not a eeasonable request at this juncture I'm afraid. We have been utter sh*t for well over 2 years. We've been most in need of an updated book yet literally every other army has been given priority. A few even twice. And after all the waiting time, we are going to get the "streamlining treatment" where we get the points adjustments we desperately need, but we lose most of what makes us want to play BA. Look what GW did to GKSW and DE.
And most of us Space Wolf and Grey Knight Players are happy with what we got. The only ones truly complaining are the Inquisition players and it is to soon to for the Dark Eldar to see of it is a bad Dex.
All the reviews of the DE dex i've read are scathing (1d4chan, BoLS, Spikey Bits, indepebdent blogs etc). And I guess some SW players are happy (mostly the tourney guys running the wolf cav list I'd imagine) but if I list all my iconic wargear that's been around since 3rd ed and got a santa claus stand in in return I'd be pretty darn pissed.
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Hang in there just a few more months, then after january and they aren't released, then you can be worried.
Not a eeasonable request at this juncture I'm afraid. We have been utter sh*t for well over 2 years. We've been most in need of an updated book yet literally every other army has been given priority. A few even twice. And after all the waiting time, we are going to get the "streamlining treatment" where we get the points adjustments we desperately need, but we lose most of what makes us want to play BA. Look what GW did to GKSW and DE.
And most of us Space Wolf and Grey Knight Players are happy with what we got. The only ones truly complaining are the Inquisition players and it is to soon to for the Dark Eldar to see of it is a bad Dex.
Our new codex will be fine. Ill be absolutely thrilled if its on par with the wolf dex. The problem is unless you love to lose, you cant play BA in their current trashy state.
cyberjonesy wrote: Did nt bother to read through the first replies but has anyone mailed a box of tissues to this guy already?
I feel so sad that blood angels are nt completely overpowered anymore. Cant wait for their vehicles to be reduced in price again so as to make them completely imbalanced in line with wave serpents. This is exactly what 40k needs right now.
Please bother to think before you post... The claim that updating a bottom-tire army will automatically make them OP is pretty ridiculous and I seriously can't say if you're trolling or just ignorant.
Eldar were bottom tier before 6th edition codex dropped. Eldar players were a dying breed like the Eldar themselves now you can't go a week without seeing a serpent spam list (or even a "im not using serpents" eldar player trying to handicap himself by not taking any transports which just so happen to be overpowered tank equivalents for cheap) in the army list section or a thread about how OP or not OP or how to beat Wave Serpents or Wraithknights.
Yes, your point is....?
Seriously, I am not stupid enough to think that it's impossible to an army getting superior by getting a new codex.
But I am also not idiotic enough to assume that it will automatically happen. You had one example of an army going from bad to broken.
I have several exapmles of armies going from medicore to medicore, bad to worse or even bad to medicore.
Oh, and look! They are all from within a year!
Astra Militarum.
Space Wolves.
Tyranids.
Orks.
Grey Knights.
There is not a single reason to assume that they will automatically become the biggest OP-est flavor of the month the second they are updated from the "Bad"-status.
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Example: i have been playing blood angels for the better part of 5 years. I win far more often than i lose, by a long shot, but usually its by the skin of my teeth and through me knowing the army like the back of my hand. I spent the last half of 6th and into 7th scraping victories until i decided to make my drop pod crimson fists. My list for them isnt even optimal, but i went from sweating out close games to crushing everyone i played against. Its only when you play a strong army that you learn how bad the weak ones are.
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Trust me, I know. I owned an Eldar army after their new dex popped, I own Space Wolves and have played several 1,500 point games (my signature is a bit out of date) and I have played twice my friend's CSM and once GK.
I have seen the other power levels. The power of one Drop Pod squad of Wolves seemed simply great after playing a JP Assault Squad of equal cost and inferior contirbution to the game.
The truth is however that I have never played another army that I handled as well as the BA and even with experience of only two years compared to your five, I can honestly make the claim that I play better with Blood Angels.
And after two years of testing units, honing my skills as a player, meeting new armies, getting experience, I can not accept the claim that BA are in some way unplayable or "trash".
soomemafia wrote: Trust me, I know. I owned an Eldar army after their new dex popped, I own Space Wolves and have played several 1,500 point games (my signature is a bit out of date) and I have played twice my friend's CSM and once GK.
I have seen the other power levels. The power of one Drop Pod squad of Wolves seemed simply great after playing a JP Assault Squad of equal cost and inferior contirbution to the game.
The truth is however that I have never played another army that I handled as well as the BA and even with experience of only two years compared to your five, I can honestly make the claim that I play better with Blood Angels.
And after two years of testing units, honing my skills as a player, meeting new armies, getting experience, I can not accept the claim that BA are in some way unplayable or "trash".
Oh i understand that completely. Someone who just fits the feel and playstyle of the blood angels with exceptional knowledge of the army can pull off some crazy stuff. But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Its not that we cant win. Its that doing so is extremely difficult, to the point of not being worth it. Why bother with an army that bad when some random kid shows up and beats you with his older brothers white scar grav spam?
But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Some of these games were at the end of 6th and a few were obviously in 7th. I haven't played as much in 7th but here's my tally against those using BA:
Serpent Spam -
I am 2-1 against it using AV13 wall.
Adamantine lance -
haven't played it, probably wouldn't fare well, but then who would?
Triptide-
Kind of a joke against ... my AV13 wall ...
GK -
1-0 but that one is probably deceptive. I should NOT have won but he had some terrible rolls and forgot about objectives.
So the point is, at least for me, the codex we have has been able to give me at least one list in every edition I've used it that was able to at least compete. In fact, it's a lot easier to play my armored list than it is to try and work out a CSM list without using the Nurgle/Drake combo or Spawn tide/etc.
For me, it's less about power level and more about being ready for a change. While I found a list that seems to do well, I've played it to death so I'm ready for a new book and yes, I'd agree with the person who said that if our new book comes out like the Wolves I'd be generally happy. I mean I don't want "Bloodblood on my blood blood" or the "blood talon" or blood gun" lol but yeah, some new tricks, maybe a new unit or two and some general points adjustments and I'll be good to go!
Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..."
But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Some of these games were at the end of 6th and a few were obviously in 7th. I haven't played as much in 7th but here's my tally against those using BA:
Serpent Spam -
I am 2-1 against it using AV13 wall.
Adamantine lance -
haven't played it, probably wouldn't fare well, but then who would?
Triptide-
Kind of a joke against ... my AV13 wall ...
GK -
1-0 but that one is probably deceptive. I should NOT have won but he had some terrible rolls and forgot about objectives.
So the point is, at least for me, the codex we have has been able to give me at least one list in every edition I've used it that was able to at least compete. In fact, it's a lot easier to play my armored list than it is to try and work out a CSM list without using the Nurgle/Drake combo or Spawn tide/etc.
For me, it's less about power level and more about being ready for a change. While I found a list that seems to do well, I've played it to death so I'm ready for a new book and yes, I'd agree with the person who said that if our new book comes out like the Wolves I'd be generally happy. I mean I don't want "Bloodblood on my blood blood" or the "blood talon" or blood gun" lol but yeah, some new tricks, maybe a new unit or two and some general points adjustments and I'll be good to go!
I dunno, spamming AV13 is probably BA's best bet. It offsets their overpriced-everything-else because their AV13 vehicles are either cheaper or slightly more expensive than equivalents in the newer 'Dexes. Plus it's pretty difficult for some lists to deal with if they didn't pack enough AT.
If you expect a jumper-heavy list to deliver though... good luck to ya.
But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Some of these games were at the end of 6th and a few were obviously in 7th. I haven't played as much in 7th but here's my tally against those using BA:
Serpent Spam -
I am 2-1 against it using AV13 wall.
Adamantine lance -
haven't played it, probably wouldn't fare well, but then who would?
Triptide-
Kind of a joke against ... my AV13 wall ...
GK -
1-0 but that one is probably deceptive. I should NOT have won but he had some terrible rolls and forgot about objectives.
So the point is, at least for me, the codex we have has been able to give me at least one list in every edition I've used it that was able to at least compete. In fact, it's a lot easier to play my armored list than it is to try and work out a CSM list without using the Nurgle/Drake combo or Spawn tide/etc.
For me, it's less about power level and more about being ready for a change. While I found a list that seems to do well, I've played it to death so I'm ready for a new book and yes, I'd agree with the person who said that if our new book comes out like the Wolves I'd be generally happy. I mean I don't want "Bloodblood on my blood blood" or the "blood talon" or blood gun" lol but yeah, some new tricks, maybe a new unit or two and some general points adjustments and I'll be good to go!
Could you post your list? I'm kinda' curious.
Something like this perhaps? (Posted this a couple months ago in the tactics thread for a bit of fun)
HQ Libby (Hand Flamer)
ELITES
Fragnought (Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod)
Fragnought (Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod)
Fragnought (Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod)
TROOPS
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
FAST ATTACK
Baal Predator (Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolters)
Baal Predator (Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolters)
Baal Predator (Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolters)
HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons)
Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons)
Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons)
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Well, AV 13 wall is too expensive to be effective.
Tanks and Dreads with too less damage output.
Fast are able to target the Predators side armor.
It IS expensive, and like any other list it has its bad matchups, but I've had plenty of success with it against good players. The biggest trick is moving everything in formation so that it becomes very difficult for the enemy to target the weak points. Yeah, he'll get some, but when you have 6 preds and two AV dreads, or six preds and a LR or 2, who cares if he pops one. Almost nobody brings enough high end dakka to stop that.
But yeah, a lot of people tend to run their tanks right upfield like they're invincible. You wouldn't do that with your troops so why do it with your vehicles? I use a few different "real world" armor formations to protect the weak points. I've even used the old school "circle the wagons" formation on tables with no cover. lol
If you expect a jumper-heavy list to deliver though... good luck to ya.
Jumpers on their own aren't too bad. I have more issues with JSJ. A jump pack army can be somewhat mitigated by positioning and using troops as a deterrent (come within melta range and get charged by my blender naught, etc.), but the two match ups I hate right now are Salamanders (or any melta heavy marine army) in all drop pods, and crisis suit heavy Tau builds as it becomes hard to mitigate the JSJ mechanic.
Could you post your list? I'm kinda' curious
I don't have the final list in front of me (might have some time later to post it in detail), but here's an old thread from 6th ed. where I first started kicking the idea around. Some things have obviously changed (like being able to give "wings" to the dreadnaughts), but its the basic idea.
My list is similar to Andiuls' list, but with a less expensive HQ one fewer dreads and slightly less points spent on troops, but with two Land Raiders added in with what I saved on dreads/HQ/troops.
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Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..."
I dunno, spamming AV13 is probably BA's best bet. It offsets their overpriced-everything-else because their AV13 vehicles are either cheaper or slightly more expensive than equivalents in the newer 'Dexes. Plus it's pretty difficult for some lists to deal with if they didn't pack enough AT.
If you expect a jumper-heavy list to deliver though... good luck to ya.
But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Some of these games were at the end of 6th and a few were obviously in 7th. I haven't played as much in 7th but here's my tally against those using BA:
Serpent Spam -
I am 2-1 against it using AV13 wall.
Adamantine lance -
haven't played it, probably wouldn't fare well, but then who would?
Triptide-
Kind of a joke against ... my AV13 wall ...
GK -
1-0 but that one is probably deceptive. I should NOT have won but he had some terrible rolls and forgot about objectives.
So the point is, at least for me, the codex we have has been able to give me at least one list in every edition I've used it that was able to at least compete. In fact, it's a lot easier to play my armored list than it is to try and work out a CSM list without using the Nurgle/Drake combo or Spawn tide/etc.
For me, it's less about power level and more about being ready for a change. While I found a list that seems to do well, I've played it to death so I'm ready for a new book and yes, I'd agree with the person who said that if our new book comes out like the Wolves I'd be generally happy. I mean I don't want "Bloodblood on my blood blood" or the "blood talon" or blood gun" lol but yeah, some new tricks, maybe a new unit or two and some general points adjustments and I'll be good to go!
Could you post your list? I'm kinda' curious.
Something like this perhaps? (Posted this a couple months ago in the tactics thread for a bit of fun)
HQ Libby (Hand Flamer)
ELITES
Fragnought (Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod)
Fragnought (Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod)
Fragnought (Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod)
TROOPS
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
5x Assault Marines (Plasmagun, Razorback with Heavy Bolter or Heavy Flamer)
FAST ATTACK
Baal Predator (Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolters)
Baal Predator (Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolters)
Baal Predator (Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolters)
HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons)
Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons)
Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons)
Hehe.. Just got an immense flashback to 5 edition parking lots. The list looks looks like fun though, even if I would just go with the option of taking a captain with a combi-weapon and call it a day.
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Well, against an armored tank company or an AV13 wall my Seer Council has a field day.
Once the unit is inside the enemy formation, the army breaks apart.
I've done it several times. It has always worked.
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I would replace the regular preds with vindis. Our predators are waaaayyyy overcosted. And we have a woefully weak hq selection. Compare our best list to the best necron lists and youll find us coming up super short. Even just compare the strong units that crons have compared to ours. Command/annihilation barges, ghost arks, night scythes, immortals, big blobs of warriors with res orbs, lords with MSS, etc. And we have baal preds, vindicators, fragnoughts, and ap1 missile storm ravens... and thats about it.
But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Some of these games were at the end of 6th and a few were obviously in 7th. I haven't played as much in 7th but here's my tally against those using BA:
Serpent Spam -
I am 2-1 against it using AV13 wall.
Adamantine lance -
haven't played it, probably wouldn't fare well, but then who would?
Triptide-
Kind of a joke against ... my AV13 wall ...
GK -
1-0 but that one is probably deceptive. I should NOT have won but he had some terrible rolls and forgot about objectives.
So the point is, at least for me, the codex we have has been able to give me at least one list in every edition I've used it that was able to at least compete. In fact, it's a lot easier to play my armored list than it is to try and work out a CSM list without using the Nurgle/Drake combo or Spawn tide/etc.
For me, it's less about power level and more about being ready for a change. While I found a list that seems to do well, I've played it to death so I'm ready for a new book and yes, I'd agree with the person who said that if our new book comes out like the Wolves I'd be generally happy. I mean I don't want "Bloodblood on my blood blood" or the "blood talon" or blood gun" lol but yeah, some new tricks, maybe a new unit or two and some general points adjustments and I'll be good to go!
The fact that BA are relegated to spamming armor speaks volumes. And I don't know a person anywhere who would buy $400+ worth of vehicles just to have an even chance at winning a non-competitive 40k game.
Well, lords of war gaming, who are a VERY reliable rumor source, said that the necron rumors are completely wrong. Blood angels are the next codex and are scheduled for release in late november/early december.
If this is true, please allow me to humbly eat all of my words.
Ok. Im full.
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But have you ever played vs serpent spam with it? Adamantine lance? Triptide? The new GK quad Dreadknight lists? A player who is fantastic with their blood angels will still be fighting an uphill battle (and very well may lose) against some shmuck with a power list.
Some of these games were at the end of 6th and a few were obviously in 7th. I haven't played as much in 7th but here's my tally against those using BA:
Serpent Spam -
I am 2-1 against it using AV13 wall.
Adamantine lance -
haven't played it, probably wouldn't fare well, but then who would?
Triptide-
Kind of a joke against ... my AV13 wall ...
GK -
1-0 but that one is probably deceptive. I should NOT have won but he had some terrible rolls and forgot about objectives.
So the point is, at least for me, the codex we have has been able to give me at least one list in every edition I've used it that was able to at least compete. In fact, it's a lot easier to play my armored list than it is to try and work out a CSM list without using the Nurgle/Drake combo or Spawn tide/etc.
For me, it's less about power level and more about being ready for a change. While I found a list that seems to do well, I've played it to death so I'm ready for a new book and yes, I'd agree with the person who said that if our new book comes out like the Wolves I'd be generally happy. I mean I don't want "Bloodblood on my blood blood" or the "blood talon" or blood gun" lol but yeah, some new tricks, maybe a new unit or two and some general points adjustments and I'll be good to go!
My bad. Double tap.
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th3maninblak wrote: Well, lords of war gaming, who are a VERY reliable rumor source, said that the necron rumors are completely wrong. Blood angels are the next codex and are scheduled for release in late november/early december.
If this is true, please allow me to humbly eat all of my words.
Ok. Im full.
This sounds to be great news. Cheers.
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Iirc the current BA codex is from 2010. That's just 4 years - too early to get desperate.
For your information, 4-th ed ork codex was released in January 2008 - and we've just got an update in June 2014. That's 6.5 years.
Dark eldar are from 2010 too and they've just got a new book. Just wait a bit and you'll be fine. It's not like GW doesn't want to support blood angels no more.
However, i understand that it's severely outdated in terms of being designed to a completely different edition. And note that GW's last 7-th codexes are very kind towards mellee.
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koooaei wrote: Iirc the current BA codex is from 2010. That's just 4 years - too early to get desperate.
For your information, our 4-th ed ork codex was released in January 2008 - and we've just got an update in June 2014. That's 6.5 years.
Dark eldar are from 2010 too and they've just got a new book. Just wait a bit and you'll be fine. It's not like GW doesn't want to support blood angels no more.
Pretty much this. It isn't like it has been an eternity since the last codex. Still, most people are clamoring for a new codex because BA are bottom tier. Problem is, I doubt a new codex is going to drastically change that.
koooaei wrote: Iirc the current BA codex is from 2010. That's just 4 years - too early to get desperate.
For your information, our 4-th ed ork codex was released in January 2008 - and we've just got an update in June 2014. That's 6.5 years.
Dark eldar are from 2010 too and they've just got a new book. Just wait a bit and you'll be fine. It's not like GW doesn't want to support blood angels no more.
Pretty much this. It isn't like it has been an eternity since the last codex. Still, most people are clamoring for a new codex because BA are bottom tier. Problem is, I doubt a new codex is going to drastically change that.
7-th books show capability to put out quite decent mellee builds. I guess, BA will find their place in this context.
I mean, they've made footslogging choppaboyz viable! Who could have imagined that judging from a 4-th codex perspective within a 7-th ed ruleset.
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koooaei wrote: Iirc the current BA codex is from 2010. That's just 4 years - too early to get desperate.
For your information, 4-th ed ork codex was released in January 2008 - and we've just got an update in June 2014. That's 6.5 years.
Dark eldar are from 2010 too and they've just got a new book. Just wait a bit and you'll be fine. It's not like GW doesn't want to support blood angels no more.
However, i understand that it's severely outdated in terms of being designed to a completely different edition. And note that GW's last 7-th codexes are very kind towards mellee.
The release date of the current BA codex is not the point.
GW has managed to release all codices in a shorter cycle and BA as well as Necrons are the only factions that are missing.
From this pattern we will see both codices updated in short time.
The big question will then be what we could expect next?
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koooaei wrote: Iirc the current BA codex is from 2010. That's just 4 years - too early to get desperate.
For your information, 4-th ed ork codex was released in January 2008 - and we've just got an update in June 2014. That's 6.5 years.
Dark eldar are from 2010 too and they've just got a new book. Just wait a bit and you'll be fine. It's not like GW doesn't want to support blood angels no more.
However, i understand that it's severely outdated in terms of being designed to a completely different edition. And note that GW's last 7-th codexes are very kind towards mellee.
The release date of the current BA codex is not the point.
GW has managed to release all codices in a shorter cycle and BA as well as Necrons are the only factions that are missing.
From this pattern we will see both codices updated in short time.
The big question will then be what we could expect next?
I have a feeling that after necrons and BA get updated, theyll move on to fantasy. The last WHFB dex came out in like... april? So updating the last few softcover army books before 2016 would be my bet.
koooaei wrote: Iirc the current BA codex is from 2010. That's just 4 years - too early to get desperate.
For your information, 4-th ed ork codex was released in January 2008 - and we've just got an update in June 2014. That's 6.5 years.
Dark eldar are from 2010 too and they've just got a new book. Just wait a bit and you'll be fine. It's not like GW doesn't want to support blood angels no more.
However, i understand that it's severely outdated in terms of being designed to a completely different edition. And note that GW's last 7-th codexes are very kind towards mellee.
The release date of the current BA codex is not the point.
GW has managed to release all codices in a shorter cycle and BA as well as Necrons are the only factions that are missing.
From this pattern we will see both codices updated in short time.
The big question will then be what we could expect next?
I have a feeling that after necrons and BA get updated, theyll move on to fantasy. The last WHFB dex came out in like... april? So updating the last few softcover army books before 2016 would be my bet.
Well, I hope that after updating BA and Crons the 40k codices stay untouched for a while.
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4000p
1500p
" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever." 
3000
4000 
5250 pts
2500 pts 
