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Ok, so I will eventually post this to the "lists" section once I get some more concrete ideas on how to use it (and once I've done the actual math on it), but for now I just want to see if I'm on to something here or if it's too far off-the-wall. So don't hold back!

The situation:

We have a fairly competitive local meta and there is a tourney coming up. I have been tasked to play the ringer army and was given an unusual design brief for the build. The army must be between 2000 and 2050 points (I have no idea why the +50pts so don't even ask lol), and be something very odd/different from what you might see in the current 6th ed meta. It must be a fairly "one trick pony" type of army but that one trick has to be powerful. It must also have a weakness that is every bit as weak as the the "one trick" is strong. So naturally, my first thought is Blood Angels.

I initially thought of doing something completely stupid like Astorath and an all death company army but that's all infantry and doesn't break the "6th ed mold". So now I'm thinking of this:

3 Baal preds
3 Dakka Preds
2 Land Raiders
3 5 man assault squads (two with no jump packs to go in the raiders)
2 Libby Furioso's w/wings and lance
1 bare bones captain (because he's the cheapest HQ outside the libby and I already have two psykers)
1 scout squad

I haven't done the math but I'm thinking that should more or less fit inside my limit. The idea would be to move everything up in formation as aggressively as possible (reserving nothing). I would have the landraiders on the flanks and put the dreades in between predators in order to help protect the weaker side and rear armor on the predators. So it's basically put a ton of armour in the opponent's face right away, use the scouts to camp and if the assault squads can claim an pbjective or two great but it's more about killing things. What do you guys think?

Psh, I'd deepstrike Land Raiders if you're looking for one trick.

That's a BA trick that always comes out of nowhere with great success or great great failure.

lol! You're right. I got so excited about a list invloving 6 predators that I forgot about the Deep Striking. I wonder if I should consider dropping some preds for more land raiders .... Although I do worry about Dsing something so huge. As you say though, it's kind of fun even when it fails. Fun in a wierdly Orky kind of way ....

Tycho wrote:
lol! You're right. I got so excited about a list invloving 6 predators that I forgot about the Deep Striking. I wonder if I should consider dropping some preds for more land raiders .... Although I do worry about Dsing something so huge. As you say though, it's kind of fun even when it fails. Fun in a wierdly Orky kind of way ....

Get a few locator beacons and DS away!

I think the time has come to bring back raider-rush. Don`t deepstrike the things, just burn 18" up the field turn 1 and then charge turn 2 with something nasty.

And Mephiston...bring Mephiston.

I think the time has come to bring back raider-rush. Don`t deepstrike the things, just burn 18" up the field turn 1 and then charge turn 2 with something nasty.

See, this is sort of along the lines of what I had in mind in terms of a concentrated armored rush. My only fear is that with Rhinos, they may get popped too fast where as the front wall of AV13/14 is a tougher nut to crack.

And Mephiston...bring Mephiston.

lol This is staring to get fun. I was thinking of possibly dropping a few upgrades, swapping the bare bones Captain for a bare bones Librarian and dropping one or possibly both of the Furiosos to make room for him. My only quesation is, given what the current meta looks like, how do you see him being used?

Edited for unitentionally ironic typo ...

Mephy would add a lot to that list. I see your going for a turn 1 rush with AV13/14. I think your army does meet the desired effect as some opponents will not bring enough AT and get stomped while others will bring a bunch of melta or survive the initial onslaught and krak grenade your vehicle to death.

Your effect on the tournament meta will be hilarious as your list has an excellent chance to stomp many of the traditional Tau and Eldar builds. Though you may have little to no effect on flyer armies (so I guess you have 2 critical weaknesses that can be summed into the statement "croissant bakery necrons").

If you want to equally mess with all armies then you could replace the dakka preds with stormravens (MM/LC).

BTW you only have 2 landraiders. One of the assault squads is currently just sitting about.

Your effect on the tournament meta will be hilarious as your list has an excellent chance to stomp many of the traditional Tau and Eldar builds.

Busted! lol That's kind of what I was trying for when I made it. Stifle Tau/Eldar, give a fighting chance to armies like RW, Drop Pod units, FMC lists etc. Sort of an "anti-meta". lol

As far as the lone assault squad - The first two squads don't have jump packs and are in the raiders. The third squad DOES have JP. They are my "suicidal bravery" squad. I plan on using them strictly in Monty Pythinesque displays of courage and bravery (whcih of course means silliness and wacky hijnks). The plan with them varies depending on who I'm fighting. I will either jump them along behind a Land Raider until such time as they jump OVER said Land Raider to declare a charge OR I will DS them in the way of whatever silly death star unit my oppnent has (whether i can beat it or not).

For the anti air - Yeah, that was the weakness. My thinking is that if I can kill enough on turn one, I should be able to dedicate a crap ton of snap shots by the time the air cover arrives. With that much dakka I'm hoping I can bring a few down through wieght of fire. I'd LOVE to cram a raven or two into this but I can't find the points. Even cutting the dakka preds only gets me one and I'm not sure that's an even trade. What do you think?

Lol, though you might be surprised when a seer council just blows through your AV13-14.

For 2005 pts you can get;
+HQ+
Captain (100 pts)
+Elite+
Furio Libby (175 pts)
Furio Libby (175 pts)
+Troops+
ASM in Land Raider Redeemer (305 pts)
ASM in Land Raider Redeemer (305 pts)
+FA+
Baal Predator (115 pts)
Baal Predator (115 pts)
Baal Predator (115 pts)
+HS+
Stormraven w/ MM/LC (200 pts)
Stormraven w/ MM/LC (200 pts)
Stormraven w/ MM/LC (200 pts)

The weakness is it falls apart to anyone with appropriate mobility or melta to destroy the troops. It is trivial to out score this list (though you can throw the ASM into stormravens if needed).

Should be fun though.

Space Marine devastators with four plasma cannons and a Tau buffmander. 4 S7 AP2 blasts that reroll scatter AND ignore cover? Might as well just pick an infantry unit and remove it every turn. If double force orgs are allowed, you've even got enough room for two. Best part is that you can run either army as the primary and still have it work.

In my experience, this combination is so vicious that it can result in hurt feelings. I've had to stop fielding it because it really pisses people off.

I think the idea is good, tbh mechanized BA is one of the few ways to play them in 6th ed.

I like the idea of landraiders on the flanks, its what I would do, to protect vs those waveserpents.

Personally I'd take normal tac squads, 10 men each, in the landraiders. Then combat squad them when they exit the vehicle to give you more scoring capability.

What can work very well with this kind of list is DA allies. You could take a librarian and techmarine, both with PFGs to give your block of tanks all a 4++ save.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Space Marine devastators with four plasma cannons and a Tau buffmander. 4 S7 AP2 blasts that reroll scatter AND ignore cover? Might as well just pick an infantry unit and remove it every turn. If double force orgs are allowed, you've even got enough room for two. Best part is that you can run either army as the primary and still have it work.

In my experience, this combination is so vicious that it can result in hurt feelings. I've had to stop fielding it because it really pisses people off.

Meh, with good rolling you'd be lucky to kill 1 NobBiker per shooting phase with that unit.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Space Marine devastators with four plasma cannons and a Tau buffmander. 4 S7 AP2 blasts that reroll scatter AND ignore cover? Might as well just pick an infantry unit and remove it every turn. If double force orgs are allowed, you've even got enough room for two. Best part is that you can run either army as the primary and still have it work.

In my experience, this combination is so vicious that it can result in hurt feelings. I've had to stop fielding it because it really pisses people off.

That's small time compared to what the Tau do with their buffmanders. At least plasma allows FNP for meqs.

Martel732 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Space Marine devastators with four plasma cannons and a Tau buffmander. 4 S7 AP2 blasts that reroll scatter AND ignore cover? Might as well just pick an infantry unit and remove it every turn. If double force orgs are allowed, you've even got enough room for two. Best part is that you can run either army as the primary and still have it work.

In my experience, this combination is so vicious that it can result in hurt feelings. I've had to stop fielding it because it really pisses people off.

That's small time compared to what the Tau do with their buffmanders. At least plasma allows FNP for meqs.

Yeah this list is also supposed to be outside of the meta. Slapping Buffmander on to this that or the other unit is very meta. Buffmander, you such a slut.

I like the idea of the original list and would strongly echo GET MEPHY!!

If you're investing in LRs any way you might as well bring him. You can either easily hide him behind one of those two monstrosities, or put the marines elsewhere and embark him on turn 1.

My friend that plays Tau, allied in a LR and Mephy the other day. It was the lulz. Seriously put a damper on my scouting hounds, when the only thing they had to run into was ol' Lord of Death.

Thanks for all the responses guys! I'm going to spend this week writing up two lists and then I will probably post a poll with both lists in the "lists" section. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts once i have the specifics set up. I'll kepp you posted!

I think land raider spam is about the one trickiest pony there is. It will force a lot of armies to have a very hard day and a some will have a hard counter.

You should definitely run Mephiston, he can hide behind the AV13/14 wall and then pop out to yell SUPRISE CORKFAPS at the appropriate time as you run around forcing things to eat your giant, uh, sword.