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 BoomWolf wrote:
I never argued about the RAW, and you play by the RAW no matter what the RAI says, as long the RAW "works" in game, and in this case it does.
Poorly, clearly unintended interaction, but from a mechanical standpoint it works, even if totally unbalanced.

Can you even show that it is unbalanced? I have been playing it with a 3++ for a while and it's balanced to me. Going from a 4+ to a 3++ does not broken make.

However, while you point out that the deepstrike is clarified against making so it must transfer, it completely ignore that if so than the belt of russ should also transfer, yet they felt the need to give stormrider its own 4++ regardless.

The belt of Russ is not optional wargear so it is sufficient to merely say that it has a 4++. In the case of the deep strike a more lengthy explanation is required since something is effectively being taken away.

What it brings us to, is that while rules are generally shared when its a a "model" basis, as the two are technically one model, the dual profile means that things like saves are not generally supposed to cross over, and they only does so in the necron case due to the aged wording.

Pointing out the FAQ does not say anything about it means little, given how many codices had 7th edition FAQs not fix glaring holes (for example, tau trait 1 makes your warlord's precision shots to be impossible to LoS, too bad you dont HAVE precision shots on ICs anymore and only if you take a very specific wargear choice available only to suits.)

Pointing out a FAQ has left an interaction in says a lot. The Space Wolves codex points out minimally that they are fully aware of the interaction and have chosen to leave as is. This is because the interaction works as intended.

Since RAW is clear, works, is unbroken, and is freshly certified by GW, there is no justification to do anything but RAW.

The burden of proof is on you. You need to show a mistake has happened or a broken situation has been created.

So it seems assault is the only reliable way to down the pesky thing. So which unit seems more fit to deal with it? Reavers, grots, or wyche tarpit until talos squad reaches it?

 flaming tadpole wrote:
So it seems assault is the only reliable way to down the pesky thing. So which unit seems more fit to deal with it? Reavers, grots, or wyche tarpit until talos squad reaches it?

I missed this before, but Void Raven Bomber.
It's S8 AP2 blast. Because it's blast, the chariot must take the hit. All you need is 1 pen to drop the shielding, and the chariot is toast.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:
So it seems assault is the only reliable way to down the pesky thing. So which unit seems more fit to deal with it? Reavers, grots, or wyche tarpit until talos squad reaches it?

I missed this before, but Void Raven Bomber.
It's S8 AP2 blast. Because it's blast, the chariot must take the hit. All you need is 1 pen to drop the shielding, and the chariot is toast.

This means that the Void Mine is a nice solution as well, right? S9 AP2 Lance large blast sounds good.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:
So it seems assault is the only reliable way to down the pesky thing. So which unit seems more fit to deal with it? Reavers, grots, or wyche tarpit until talos squad reaches it?

I missed this before, but Void Raven Bomber.
It's S8 AP2 blast. Because it's blast, the chariot must take the hit. All you need is 1 pen to drop the shielding, and the chariot is toast.

This means that the Void Mine is a nice solution as well, right? S9 AP2 Lance large blast sounds good.

You've got to move over it to use the mine, which means you can't bring the guns to bear. It's either 1 S9 or 2 S8. I'll go with the 2.

-Matt

How about some Wraithguard with a Webway Portal Archon? DS in the rear arc and force him to put that S10 shooting on his rear AV11 or risk ID on the lord. Scythes might work as well thanks to ID+Autowound/Autopen on a 6.

A counter is pointless when it costs more than what it was meant to counter.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:
So it seems assault is the only reliable way to down the pesky thing. So which unit seems more fit to deal with it? Reavers, grots, or wyche tarpit until talos squad reaches it?

I missed this before, but Void Raven Bomber.
It's S8 AP2 blast. Because it's blast, the chariot must take the hit. All you need is 1 pen to drop the shielding, and the chariot is toast.

Sweet, now there's a somewhat justifiable reason to take them.

 BoomWolf wrote:
A counter is pointless when it costs more than what it was meant to counter.

After safely landing with pin-point accuracy and waxing the CCB, you've still got a unit of T6 models fearless models with S10 guns.
If you can counter it with no loss, and then still contribute, it's great.

Except they are slow and with very little range.

If you can fit the dudes in a gunboat though...

Honestly I'd just play MSU and ignore the buggers. They are 300+ points each and can only kill one thing at a time. Don't bother assaulting it because you just give it a chance to damage you in your turn as well.