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Its not meant to be helpful.

Being told "check your privilege" doesn't cancel out your privilege. No one can keep you from enjoying advantages due to race, gender, sexuality, etc., just by pointing out that you enjoy them.

And I will continue to enjoy my privilidge all the way to the financial aid office while walking there because I dont have a car because mine broke down and I didnt have to 5g to fix.
Im so priviledged

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And I will continue to enjoy my privilidge all the way to the financial aid office while walking there because I dont have a car because mine broke down and I didnt have to 5g to fix.
Im so priviledged

Sounds like a personnel issue then a privilege issue

I just got my privilege check in the mail. I get it every month. It's pretty sweet.

My privilege check is the same as my credit score. A cool 730

I didn't get mine. :(

Is it time for me to come in yet and declare the stupid people should be sterilized? Really, calling a 12 year old girl a racist because she liked the hairstyle...everyone attacking her should be sterilized. Or sent into space without oxygen. Whichever. I don't care what color skin the have: stupidity comes in all shades.

 Manchu wrote:
Being told "check your privilege" doesn't cancel out your privilege. No one can keep you from enjoying advantages due to race, gender, sexuality, etc., just by pointing out that you enjoy them.

Mmm privilege. Having thought about that a lot since the last time we tangled I remembered Frazzled Sr's thoughts once. As a reminder Frazzled Sr. grew up so poor he and his brother were put in an orphanage to keep from starving for several years. He grew up picking cotton as a boy etc. etc. He had it rough. But he thought if he had been a black boy who grew up in the same circumstances, he would have had it even worse. Thats privilege even for poor folk.

The problem is, most folks look around and see that they aren't privileged compared to the next guy, and that often the ones shouting "privilege" grew up in circumstance substantially better than theirs and that chaps their hide. Thats why privilege is wrong for many people.

So both sides can be right. We should realize systematic differences could give a group a disadvantage, but that other factors also provide similar disadvantage/advantage for individuals or groups, and the people screaming privilege should watch who they are saying it to.

Here endeth the lesson. For my next gig I'llbe making these five rolls of French Bread and five bottles of Paylat last for everyone in the entire party...




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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Is it time for me to come in yet and declare the stupid people should be sterilized? Really, calling a 12 year old girl a racist because she liked the hairstyle...everyone attacking her should be sterilized. Or sent into space without oxygen. Whichever. I don't care what color skin the have: stupidity comes in all shades.

There is wisdom in this post.

I'm a white guy and have hair down to the middle of my back. When I LARP as one of my characters, I have my wife braid my entire head into 4 giant cornrows, and then pull everything into a ponytail.

I must be super-racist, and have wussy girl's hair as well.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm a white guy and have hair down to the middle of my back. When I LARP as one of my characters, I have my wife braid my entire head into 4 giant cornrows, and then pull everything into a ponytail.

I must be super-racist, and have wussy girl's hair as well.

The girly hair is canceled if you are wearing a kilt

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm a white guy and have hair down to the middle of my back. When I LARP as one of my characters, I have my wife braid my entire head into 4 giant cornrows, and then pull everything into a ponytail.

I must be super-racist, and have wussy girl's hair as well.

Well if you wove slow burning matches into those braids you'd be pretty cool....

 Frazzled wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Being told "check your privilege" doesn't cancel out your privilege. No one can keep you from enjoying advantages due to race, gender, sexuality, etc., just by pointing out that you enjoy them.

Mmm privilege. Having thought about that a lot since the last time we tangled I remembered Frazzled Sr's thoughts once. As a reminder Frazzled Sr. grew up so poor he and his brother were put in an orphanage to keep from starving for several years. He grew up picking cotton as a boy etc. etc. He had it rough. But he thought if he had been a black boy who grew up in the same circumstances, he would have had it even worse. Thats privilege even for poor folk.

The problem is, most folks look around and see that they aren't privileged compared to the next guy, and that often the ones shouting "privilege" grew up in circumstance substantially better than theirs and that chaps their hide. Thats why privilege is wrong for many people.

So both sides can be right. We should realize systematic differences could give a group a disadvantage, but that other factors also provide similar disadvantage/advantage for individuals or groups, and the people screaming privilege should watch who they are saying it to.

Here endeth the lesson. For my next gig I'llbe making these five rolls of French Bread and five bottles of Paylat last for everyone in the entire party...

Wow.........an ensightfull post that acknowledges both sides have a valid point of view and they their is no right answer.
What is this doing on dakka?

 Frazzled wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm a white guy and have hair down to the middle of my back. When I LARP as one of my characters, I have my wife braid my entire head into 4 giant cornrows, and then pull everything into a ponytail.

I must be super-racist, and have wussy girl's hair as well.

Well if you wove slow burning matches into those braids you'd be pretty cool....

No no no. That'll only make it worse. Then he's got dreads, girly hair, and he's flaming! He'll offend women, non-whites, and the LGBT community!

 Grey Templar wrote:
The girly hair is canceled if you are wearing a kilt

No way man, that's straight up crossdressing.

 Manchu wrote:
Being told "check your privilege" doesn't cancel out your privilege. No one can keep you from enjoying advantages due to race, gender, sexuality, etc., just by pointing out that you enjoy them.

People who assert that systemic racism being prevalent in the systems of western civilization *today* to the degree where white people still enjoy special systemically legalized privilege are not "pointing out a fact" to people.

They are asserting that systemic racism being prevalent in the systems of western civilization *today* to the degree where white people still enjoy special systemically legalized privilege. Which is not only their own opinion, but it forces that opinion on the person they accuse because it forces them to be (knowingly or not) part of this inherently systematically racist system.

You are presenting your opinion on that assertion as a matter fact, as opposed to acknowledging that its actually forcing an opinion on everyone else at the same time.

Anyone who claims your assertion you claim is wrong simply because they dont know about their privilege.

By doing this, you shut down any and all legitimate debate, because its not even a matter of argument anymore if everyone else's opinion is forced upon them through their "subconscious support for the good ole white boys only club" they wont "know any better" anyways.




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 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm a white guy and have hair down to the middle of my back. When I LARP as one of my characters, I have my wife braid my entire head into 4 giant cornrows, and then pull everything into a ponytail.

I must be super-racist, and have wussy girl's hair as well.

Well if you wove slow burning matches into those braids you'd be pretty cool....

No no no. That'll only make it worse. Then he's got dreads, girly hair, and he's flaming! He'll offend women, non-whites, and the LGBT community!

WONT SOMEONE THING OF THE CHILDREN!

 easysauce wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.

So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?

yup pretty much what plastic is saying,

Seriously, reading comprehension. Where is the claim you're saying is being made being made?

And pirates! Yar!

(sorry I have half of one of my teeth in my pocket after it broke -teach me to brush my teeth)

 easysauce wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Being told "check your privilege" doesn't cancel out your privilege. No one can keep you from enjoying advantages due to race, gender, sexuality, etc., just by pointing out that you enjoy them.

People who assert that systemic racism being prevalent in the systems of western civilization *today* to the degree where white people still enjoy special systemically legalized are not "pointing out a fact" to people.

They are asserting that systemic racism being prevalent in the systems of western civilization *today* to the degree where white people still enjoy special systemically legalized privilege. Which is not only their own opinion, but it forces that opinion on the person they accuse because it forces them to be (knowingly or not) part of this inherently systematically racist system.

You are presenting your opinion on that assertion as a matter fact, as opposed to acknowledging that its actually forcing an opinion on everyone else at the same time.

Anyone who claims your assertion you claim is wrong simply because they dont know about their privilege.

By doing this, you shut down any and all legitimate debate, because its not even a matter of argument anymore if everyone eases opinion is forced upon them through their "subconscious support for the good ole white boys only club"




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 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm a white guy and have hair down to the middle of my back. When I LARP as one of my characters, I have my wife braid my entire head into 4 giant cornrows, and then pull everything into a ponytail.

I must be super-racist, and have wussy girl's hair as well.

Well if you wove slow burning matches into those braids you'd be pretty cool....

No no no. That'll only make it worse. Then he's got dreads, girly hair, and he's flaming! He'll offend women, non-whites, and the LGBT community!

WONT SOMEONE THING OF THE CHILDREN!

Anyone ever notice that kids are never offended? Its like being offended is a learned opprotunity.

 easysauce wrote:
you shut down any and all legitimate debate

Debate or not, at the end of the day I still enjoy the privileges of being white, male, cis-, and straight. Getting to choose whether I even care about the debate getting shut down or whatever is actually one of my privileges.

The only privilege is wealth.

 Manchu wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The girly hair is canceled if you are wearing a kilt

No way man, that's straight up crossdressing.

Unless he is of Scottish descent it is cultural appropriation

 Manchu wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
you shut down any and all legitimate debate

Debate or not, at the end of the day I still enjoy the privileges of being white, male, cis-, and straight. Getting to choose whether I even care about the debate getting shut down or whatever is actually one of my privileges.

Whats "cis"?

It's a fancy word tumblrinas came up with to mean straight people

It means you associate with the gender you are born with. Normal basically
Interestin thing, it is also not an official term, its made up.


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Sining wrote:
It's a fancy word tumblrinas came up with to mean straight people

Nope, it was an academic writer

 Frazzled wrote:


Whats "cis"?

Basically it's intended to define those of us who are not transgender.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The girly hair is canceled if you are wearing a kilt

No way man, that's straight up crossdressing.

Unless he is of Scottish descent it is cultural appropriation

Speaking of crossdressing and cultural appropriation, there's got to be some issues there right?

Sining wrote:
The only privilege is wealth.

No.

Wealth is very important and a major advantage, if not one of the biggest. But there are many others:

*Health
*eyesight
*teeth that don't break (God I feel like TBone now).
*Intelligence
*memory

little things like eyesight, caring parents, etc.


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 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Whats "cis"?

Basically it's intended to define those of us who are not transgender.

OK.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It means you associate with the gender you are born with. Normal basically
Interestin thing, it is also not an official term, its made up.


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Sining wrote:
It's a fancy word tumblrinas came up with to mean straight people

Nope, it was an academic writer

control the language, and you control the debate.

Very newspeakish actually.


WHITE PRIVILEGE

 Frazzled wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
you shut down any and all legitimate debate

Debate or not, at the end of the day I still enjoy the privileges of being white, male, cis-, and straight. Getting to choose whether I even care about the debate getting shut down or whatever is actually one of my privileges.

Whats "cis"?

Confederacy of Independent Systems

Formed by the Galactic Republic, Trade Federation, InterGalactic Banking Clan, Techno Union, Commerce Guild, Corporate Alliance and others.

CIS people can generally be found trying to increase their wealth, fighting trade agreements and killing clones of the republic.

Our privileges are droid servants, the future prospect of a Death Star to get what we want and evil bad guys to scare children.