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Great game 5 niv-mizzet, flabbergasted is the right word for the amount of units in the battle company. I got 28 KP and I still would have been in trouble if I didn't get second turn! It was a great event, I just wish there was a 6th round so Alan and I could duke it out, we both ended undefeated.

For those asking, here is the army I used:

Decurian Detatchment
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Lychguard: 8 lychguard with warscythes
5 immortals: gauss blasters
10 Warriors: gauss flayers
10 Warriors: gauss flayers
Tomb Blades: 3 tomb blades, gauss blasters, Nebuloscopes (ignore cover)

Canoptek Harvest
Wraiths: 6 wraiths with whip coils
Spyder
Scarabs: 3 scarabs

Destroyer Cult
Destroyer Lord: staff of light, The Veil of Darkness, Resurrection Orb
Destroyers: 3 destroyers
Destroyers: 3 destroyers
Destroyers: 3 destroyers

Allied Necron Detatchment
Orikan the diviner
Immortals: 5 immortals with tesla carbines

Spacecurves wrote:
Great game 5 niv-mizzet, flabbergasted is the right word for the amount of units in the battle company. I got 28 KP and I still would have been in trouble if I didn't get second turn! It was a great event, I just wish there was a 6th round so Alan and I could duke it out, we both ended undefeated.

For those asking, here is the army I used:

Decurian Detatchment
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Lychguard: 8 lychguard with warscythes
5 immortals: gauss blasters
10 Warriors: gauss flayers
10 Warriors: gauss flayers
Tomb Blades: 3 tomb blades, gauss blasters, Nebuloscopes (ignore cover)

Canoptek Harvest
Wraiths: 6 wraiths with whip coils
Spyder
Scarabs: 3 scarabs

Destroyer Cult
Destroyer Lord: staff of light, The Veil of Darkness, Resurrection Orb
Destroyers: 3 destroyers
Destroyers: 3 destroyers
Destroyers: 3 destroyers

Allied Necron Detatchment
Orikan the diviner
Immortals: 5 immortals with tesla carbines

Woah, that's really interesting. I often run an Orikanstar with Shield Lychguard, to take advantage of the insane durability they have. But I guess against armies that don't have a lot of AP2/AP3 weaponry, 3+ armor is just as good. Cheaper, too, and more killy, but I would be afraid of a lot of things shooting at them.

What were you using the DLord with? I dunno how I feel about him without a Warscythe. I guess you were just using him to teleport one of the units and then give PE/Res Orb out?

Also, how did you guys rule Orikan's interaction with Wraiths? RAW he doesn't give them rerolls to 1s on their save unless the Spyder popped RP, is that how Wargames Con ruled it?

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

buckero0 wrote:
Who or what are pajama pants?

Alan Bajmoravic(sp?) He's a really great player from Chicago. He has won many GTs and placed high in many others. His nickname is pajama pants.

Because of what he always wears... Felt I had to add that bit.

I heard a SOB player made 6th?

 pretre wrote:
I heard a SOB player made 6th?

Give it up Pretre... SoB are dead...

 Tomb King wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I heard a SOB player made 6th?

Give it up Pretre... SoB are dead...

According to who?

 Tomb King wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I heard a SOB player made 6th?

Give it up Pretre... SoB are dead...

Sisters are very much alive....unless you run into space curves Decurion in a KP mission.

Panzer leader speaks the truth , any other mission it would have been a different story.

@ Requizen: You don't need the shields on the lychguard, zandrehk stands in front for 2+ save vs. shooting, and D lord is with them to. They start in a ruin or out of LOS, then teleport up usually turn 1, ideally into another ruin as zandrehk turns on stealth ruins. D lord pops res orb and vs. most anything, every model has a 3+, 4+, 4+. Its ridiculous how hard they are to kill. Then they multicharge everything and murder it with a billion warscythe attacks.

Also orikan lets you reroll 1's on your saves, not RP rolls, so hes amazing with wraiths all the time.

End result is you have two units that hit super hard in CC and are almost impossible to kill with shooting.

Spacecurves wrote:
Panzer leader speaks the truth , any other mission it would have been a different story.

@ Requizen: You don't need the shields on the lychguard, zandrehk stands in front for 2+ save vs. shooting, and D lord is with them to. They start in a ruin or out of LOS, then teleport up usually turn 1, ideally into another ruin as zandrehk turns on stealth ruins. D lord pops res orb and vs. most anything, every model has a 3+, 4+, 4+. Its ridiculous how hard they are to kill. Then they multicharge everything and murder it with a billion warscythe attacks.

Neat, that's quite a cool way to do it. I generally use the Shieldguard star with Orikan as a brick, since people generally can't kill off 3++ rerolling 1s/4+++ rerolling 1s, occasinally with Res Orb. Power Swords are good, but obviously Warscythes are better.

Also orikan lets you reroll 1's on your saves, not RP rolls, so hes amazing with wraiths all the time.

The wording on Orikan's special rule states that the unit has to have Reanimation Protocols to get the rerolls to hit:
"Orikan and all models with the Reanimation Protocols special rule in his unit recive a +1 bonus to Reanimation Protocols rolls and can reroll saving throws of a 1."

Emphasis mine. So, Wraiths without Reanimation Protocols shouldn't get the rerolls of 1, RAW. Once you pop the Spyder in the formation to give them the rule, they can get the reroll. Not that the Wraiths are bad, they're still, you know, Wraiths.

End result is you have two units that hit super hard in CC and are almost impossible to kill with shooting.

So does Orikan always go with the Wraiths or does he jump back and forth depending on the game? 2+ rerollable armor on Zahndrekh is pretty sick.

Spacecurves wrote:
Panzer leader speaks the truth , any other mission it would have been a different story.

@ Requizen: You don't need the shields on the lychguard, zandrehk stands in front for 2+ save vs. shooting, and D lord is with them to. They start in a ruin or out of LOS, then teleport up usually turn 1, ideally into another ruin as zandrehk turns on stealth ruins. D lord pops res orb and vs. most anything, every model has a 3+, 4+, 4+. Its ridiculous how hard they are to kill. Then they multicharge everything and murder it with a billion warscythe attacks.

Also orikan lets you reroll 1's on your saves, not RP rolls, so hes amazing with wraiths all the time.

End result is you have two units that hit super hard in CC and are almost impossible to kill with shooting.

How does it teleport? I might have missed it.

Breazeal wrote:

Spacecurves wrote:
Panzer leader speaks the truth , any other mission it would have been a different story.

@ Requizen: You don't need the shields on the lychguard, zandrehk stands in front for 2+ save vs. shooting, and D lord is with them to. They start in a ruin or out of LOS, then teleport up usually turn 1, ideally into another ruin as zandrehk turns on stealth ruins. D lord pops res orb and vs. most anything, every model has a 3+, 4+, 4+. Its ridiculous how hard they are to kill. Then they multicharge everything and murder it with a billion warscythe attacks.

Also orikan lets you reroll 1's on your saves, not RP rolls, so hes amazing with wraiths all the time.

End result is you have two units that hit super hard in CC and are almost impossible to kill with shooting.

How does it teleport? I might have missed it.

DLord has the Veil of Darkness, one use teleport.

Anybody know what pajama pants was running? Im curious as to what orks bring to daemons. Tide+summoning? Cheap artillery?

Breazeal wrote:
What is in the pj pants ork/demon list? Sounds interesting

I walked by because I was interested in his list as well. Unfortunately, because he was summoning, and I'm not an expert on Demons, I'm not sure the full details, but the Ork portion looked to be Mogrok's Bossboyz featuring a Warboss and Big Mek on Bike, and 2 Big Meks with Shokk Attack guns. The Wierdboy was summoning. He appeared to have a Khorne Demonkin detachment (With a heldrake and a bloodthirster), and a Demon detachment with a KoS and Fateweaver.

Like I said he was summoning a bunch, so I'm not sure what started in the list and what was summoned into it later.

I'd wager the KoS was summoned. Doesnt find its way into lists very often, but it is the most attractive choice if arriving via possession

@ Requizen: Ooooh that's what you meant, yes sorry I misunderstood. It's pretty rare that the wraiths don't have RP up, I think the spyder only died in one game. Tournaments have pretty good LOS blocking terrain these days thank goodness, so the spyder can hide most of the time.

I don't always put Orikan with the wraiths, he sometimes goes with the lychguard if I know they are going to get lit up big time. For example vs. 40 scat bikes and sun cannon wraith lords I put him with the lychguard, ported up in front of them, and weathered the storm with alllll the rerolls. Only thing to remember is that at ITC 2+ saves are only rerolled on 4+, so I usually don't actually tank that much with zandrehk, and just let the lychguard take the hits.

Requizen wrote:

Breazeal wrote:

Spacecurves wrote:
Panzer leader speaks the truth , any other mission it would have been a different story.

@ Requizen: You don't need the shields on the lychguard, zandrehk stands in front for 2+ save vs. shooting, and D lord is with them to. They start in a ruin or out of LOS, then teleport up usually turn 1, ideally into another ruin as zandrehk turns on stealth ruins. D lord pops res orb and vs. most anything, every model has a 3+, 4+, 4+. Its ridiculous how hard they are to kill. Then they multicharge everything and murder it with a billion warscythe attacks.

Also orikan lets you reroll 1's on your saves, not RP rolls, so hes amazing with wraiths all the time.

End result is you have two units that hit super hard in CC and are almost impossible to kill with shooting.

How does it teleport? I might have missed it.

DLord has the Veil of Darkness, one use teleport.

I see it now! Veil and shroud run together for me for some reason.

For the wraiths teleporting around with the veil, wouldn't they lose both the orikan reroll and the spyder rp?

Were there games where you didn't teleport? Or ever a fear to mishap? They seem so fast naturally. Were they usually able to kill the things they double charged?

Was everything else reserved in games you went second or typically start on board?

Thanks to everyone for coming! It was a great event, had a ton of fun.

More accurate info on Alan's list? The "guess" posted earlier does not make any sense.

Tolp wrote:
More accurate info on Alan's list? The "guess" posted earlier does not make any sense.

Pretty sure the pyjama pants list is under fight club rules now, and you don't talk about fight club.

There's a write up half way down the wgc thread on frontlines page.

I'm still curious what he did on the khorne daemonkin side of things and whether the bloodthirster was purchased with points or a sacrifice from the khorne daemonkin wargear.

He didn't take Khorne Daemonkin.

He had an Ork formation- Mogrok's Bully Boys w/ Warboss on Bike, Wierdboy lvl 2, x2 Big Meks w/ Shok Atk Gunz, Big Mek on Bike

CAD of Daemons- Fatey, Bloodthirster, x3 Nurglings, x11 Horrors

CSM Allies- Belakor, x10 Cultists, Helldrake

SCP Yeeman wrote:
He didn't take Khorne Daemonkin.

He had an Ork formation- Mogrok's Bully Boys w/ Warboss on Bike, Wierdboy lvl 2, x2 Big Meks w/ Shok Atk Gunz, Big Mek on Bike

CAD of Daemons- Fatey, Bloodthirster, x3 Nurglings, x11 Horrors

CSM Allies- Belakor, x10 Cultists, Helldrake

That's right. I saw the Bloodthirster and assumed Demonkin, but he definitely had all of those things, and was probably summoning everything else.

Any word on what was in Darkwyn's list?

From Pajama Pants himself on frontline:
Formation: Mogrok’s Bossboyz (6#, 508 pts)
1 Mogrok’s Bossboyz, 0 pts
1 Big Mek Mogrok, 105 pts = (base cost 35 + Warbike 25 + Kombi Weapon with
Skorcha 10 + Power Klaw 25 + Da Finkin’ Kap 10)
1 Warboss, 135 pts = (base cost 60 + Warbike 25 + Power Klaw 25 + Da Lucky
Stikk 25)
1 Big Mek, 99 pts = (base cost 35 + Shokk Attack Gun 50 + Ammo Runt x3 9 + Big
Choppa 5)
1 Big Mek, 99 pts = (base cost 35 + Shokk Attack Gun 50 + Ammo Runt x3 9 + Big
Choppa 5)
1 Weirdboy, 70 pts = (base cost 45 + Upgrade to Pysker (Mastery Level 2) 25)
: Combined Arms Detachment (17#, 769 pts)
1 Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage (HQ) [cd], 325 pts = (base cost 275 + DR: Lesser
Rewards x1 10 + DR: Greater Rewards x2 40)
1 Kairos Fateweaver (HQ) [cd], 300 pts
11 Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (Troops) [cd], 99 pts = 11 * 9
3 Nurglings (Troops) [cd], 45 pts = 3 * 15
: Allied Detachment (13#, 570 pts)
1 Be’Lakor (HQ) [Chaos], 350 pts
9 Chaos Cultists (Troops) [Chaos], 36 pts = 9 * 4
1 Cultist Champion [Chaos], 14 pts
1 Heldrake (Fast) [Chaos], 170 pts

Wasnt Darkwyn running Marines?

I am so confused!

The pajama pants list reply wasn't to you.

Very interesting and must have taken a good deal of skill to pilot to the top. Im guessing invisible BT most of the time going for D slaps, heldrake doing what heldrakes do, Belakor casting shrouding to give fatey a 2+ rerollable cover save. Another poster on flg was claiming that he was running the
Warboss as his warlord. Between that and the lack of the grimoire in his list this begs the question, why use Fatey at allm
all?

He boasts an impressive amount of powers, but the list only has 11 warp charges. After the near mandatory casting of invis that doesnt leave much at all for summoning or offense.

I have no idea how the orks work in this list. Im assuming they all ball up into some sort of deathstar? Would love to hear someone more experienced with orks comment on this

 pretre wrote:
The pajama pants list reply wasn't to you.

Whoops! Sorry about that.

The D Thirster is no joke with rewards, gifts and psychic buffs... Can be nigh unkillable.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The D Thirster is no joke with rewards, gifts and psychic buffs... Can be nigh unkillable.

Don't think he gets D here taken in a demon cad.




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Spacecurves wrote:
Great game 5 niv-mizzet, flabbergasted is the right word for the amount of units in the battle company. I got 28 KP and I still would have been in trouble if I didn't get second turn! It was a great event, I just wish there was a 6th round so Alan and I could duke it out, we both ended undefeated.

For those asking, here is the army I used:

Decurian Detatchment
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Lychguard: 8 lychguard with warscythes
5 immortals: gauss blasters
10 Warriors: gauss flayers
10 Warriors: gauss flayers
Tomb Blades: 3 tomb blades, gauss blasters, Nebuloscopes (ignore cover)

Canoptek Harvest
Wraiths: 6 wraiths with whip coils
Spyder
Scarabs: 3 scarabs

Destroyer Cult
Destroyer Lord: staff of light, The Veil of Darkness, Resurrection Orb
Destroyers: 3 destroyers
Destroyers: 3 destroyers
Destroyers: 3 destroyers

Allied Necron Detatchment
Orikan the diviner
Immortals: 5 immortals with tesla carbines

Was there a solar staff in the list? Heard there was on flg podcast.

When the wraiths teleport do they retain re animation protocols until the beginning of the next turn? I know this was debated but don't know how it was ruled.

You can purchase any of the Bloodthirster variants in a Daemons CAD. Just before the Khorne Daemonkin book came out they released the thirsters as dataslates available in a Chaos Daemons army. They're actually better in the CD book because you can give them rewards.