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 Manchu wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
forgetting that Star Wars is supposed to be fun.

Yeah -- or more like, forgot what fun means. "Now this is podracing!"

See, I think the movies themselves still had that fun (once you ignore the awful dialogue and the mssive plotholes) ... my point was more that they didn't focus on it in the trailers, trying to portray them instead as some big, serious drama. And that was never going to work.


For all their faults, I still enjoy the hell out of the prequels. Mostly because lightsabers and explosions, admittedly... but that's all I ever really expected from them to begin with, so it's all good.

 Manchu wrote:
SPJr, you can't treat SW like history. There is no possible version of SW in which Luke does not blow up the Death Star. The setting of SW only exists so that Luke can blow up the Death Star.

Exactly, which is why I am not actually trying to pick the movies apart, they're perfect they way they are. They don't have to be "perfect" in my eyes when it comes to stuff like this, I'm only bringing these things up because the Original Trilogy has always gotten a pass (rightfully so!) with its plot holes and inconsistencies just because of what it is. Trust me, none of the things I've brought up has taken any of the pure joy I still get from watching these movies... and now that my two daughters love them too, I get even more joy in watching them.

However, you're telling me that I can't treat the movies as "history" in an attempt to consider all the things that we don't know or see on film but in order to make sense of the plot holes, you're giving the characters motives and reasoning that we as viewers have not seen them demonstrate... which isn't much different than what I am doing.

SPJr -- I guess what I meant is, the proposition "only Luke could make the shot" is not true if we treat SW as an alternate reality. Although the shot was extremely tough, it was possible without Force-assisted targeting. "Only Luke could make the shot" is only true if we treat SW as a Hollywood-produced fairy tale.

Insaniak -- I don't think the prequels are fun. Phantom Menace tried but failed miserably (mesa no kidding!). The other two seemed to abandon even trying, which was ultimately preferable in my view considering Phantom Menace

 Manchu wrote:
SPJr -- I guess what I meant is, the proposition "only Luke could make the shot" is not true if we treat SW as an alternate reality. Although the shot was extremely tough, it was possible without Force-assisted targeting. "Only Luke could make the shot" is only true if we treat SW as a Hollywood-produced fairy tale.

Well, it is a Hollywood-produced fairy tale.

As far as making the shot... The pilots doubted it could be done, Gold Squadron got blown out the trench before they could even try, and Garven Dreis (one of the best Rebel pilots) couldn't make the shot with the assistance of his targeting computer. So yeah, Luke using magic (and Han covering his ass) is the only reason we are given by the film as to why the Rebels were successful at the Battle of Yavin.

Dude you know Garven is only PS6. Even Luke is only PS8. That means Wedge could have made it.

Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia and thus when he says "we're home" shouldn't that mean they are in Corellia?

M'kay.

Got goosebumps when I saw Han and Chewie.

Only thing that raised an eyebrow was the re-imaging of stormtrooper armor.

It's not that i didn't like it... like the Chrome heavy trooper is awesome. The slicked up Tie pilot ? Phenomenal. Something about the white stormtroopers armor though was just ever so slightly offputting. Maybe because its something SO iconic, but the Clone troopers in the prequels didn't give me this effect.

I dunno, not sure. Anyway... not a big deal. 98% awesome, and that's still an A+ in my book.

 Ahtman wrote:
Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia and thus when he says "we're home" shouldn't that mean they are in Corellia?

Who made the Falcon?

 Manchu wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia and thus when he says "we're home" shouldn't that mean they are in Corellia?

Who made the Falcon?

Some factory in Corellia with personal modifications afaik.

The Millenium Falcon is a heavily modified YT-1300 light transport produced by the Corellian Engineering Corporation.

It was a rhetorical question, guys.

 Ahtman wrote:
Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia ...

Originally, yes. Now? Who knows.



The reference in the trailer though is probably a confirmation of the early rumours that the movie starts with the Falcon being owned by someone else (Han having lost it years prior) and Han and Chewie at some point in the movie getting their ship back.

 insaniak wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia ...

Originally, yes. Now? Who knows.



The reference in the trailer though is probably a confirmation of the early rumours that the movie starts with the Falcon being owned by someone else (Han having lost it years prior) and Han and Chewie at some point in the movie getting their ship back.

And Han is a space traveling smuggler through and through. Even if he never lost the Falcon, just being back in the cockpit and fighting is probably more "home" to him than anything else.

Maybe Han and Chewie travel to Jakku in search of the Falcon. Seems Rey lives there and might help them find the ship and repair her. I guess it is possible that Vader's helmet also ended up there and Kylo Ren sends Imperial forces to check it out. Finn seems to defect and teams up with Rey.

 d-usa wrote:
And Han is a space traveling smuggler through and through. Even if he never lost the Falcon, just being back in the cockpit and fighting is probably more "home" to him than anything else.

I could see him referring to the Falcon as 'Home'. Corellians are known for space-faring whether it be pirate or not.

 insaniak wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia ...

Originally, yes. Now? Who knows.

If you give this a look, I'd say it confirms that Han is from Corellia, canonically speaking.

Stay on target!

So i guess the girl is Luke's daughter and the guy could be related to Lando Calrissian? Making the movie all about the next generation? And maybe Vader had a secret protege ready to help him overthrow the emperor?

 Ahtman wrote:
I could see him referring to the Falcon as 'Home'.

Yeah man. They are standing in the Falcon when he says that.


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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Making the movie all about the next generation?

I hope not.

One of the problems (IMO) with a lot of EU material is authors have a whole galaxy of characters but for marketing purposes most stories focus on the same handful of people.

When Luke says, "you have that power, too," he could be talking to a niece or nephew.

Also, just going by what's been seen in the films, the Falcon definitely is home to Han. He moves about from place to place, and always has the Falcon. He's obviously gutted when he can't use it in the mission to Endor and is visibly shaken that he won't see it again.

To the general audience, emotionally the Falcon is his home. Anything else would simply be confusing.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
That shows the inconsistency of deflector shields in Star Wars. The Empire was able to walk right up (literally, because they brought no air support... another stupid move) to it and blast it. The blaster cannons on the AT-ATs were able to pierce the shield, but the combined firepower of the Death Squadron Star Destroyers would have had no effect? From Return we know that you can't just waltz through a deflector shield too (the shuttle needed it deactivated in the beginning of the movie and the fighters had to avoid it during the Battle of Endor).

It doesn't show an inconsistency at all. The shield was a large theatre shield that protected a section of the world, and it was powerful enough to deflect any bombardment. But they could walk through it, just like the Droid Army that could waltz through the Gungan shield.

There are different types of shields in Star Wars.

Han could be referring to the Stormtrooper Academy (whatever its canon name is). Han was an officer cadet before becoming and a smuggler and it was during that time that he first met Chewie.

You think he would refer to the Imperial Academy as home to him and Chewie? Really?

 Manchu wrote:
You think he would refer to the Imperial Academy as home to him and Chewie? Really?

If he was being sarcastic

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

squidhills wrote:
I can't refute the other points, but I can refute these:

Ground assault... General Veers: "Com-scan has detected an energy shield protecting a region of the sixth planet in the system. The shield is strong enough to repel any bombardment." Follower by Vader making disparaging remarks about Admiral Ozzel and "field promoting" Captain Piett.

That shows the inconsistency of deflector shields in Star Wars. The Empire was able to walk right up (literally, because they brought no air support... another stupid move) to it and blast it. The blaster cannons on the AT-ATs were able to pierce the shield, but the combined firepower of the Death Squadron Star Destroyers would have had no effect? From Return we know that you can't just waltz through a deflector shield too (the shuttle needed it deactivated in the beginning of the movie and the fighters had to avoid it during the Battle of Endor).

The shield on Endor was covering a section of the planet. It didn't extend to ground level. The At-Ats didn't pierce the shield. They walked under it.

The shield in Return surrounded the Death Star, and extended down to the planet around the region that housed the shield generator. Either it did extend to ground level, or flying down the shield 'tunnel' was the normal flight path for incoming craft, and to do otherwise would have aroused suspicion.


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 LordofHats wrote:
Han could be referring to the Stormtrooper Academy (whatever its canon name is). Han was an officer cadet before becoming and a smuggler and it was during that time that he first met Chewie.

From the look on his face, and where they're standing, I think it's fairly obvious he's referring to the Falcon.

 Manchu wrote:


When Luke says, "you have that power, too," he could be talking to a niece or nephew.

I would strongly suspect this to be the case. I don't know, I just see somehow, they'll explain the Luke has found some archival knowledge of the old Order, and as he's the only "Jedi" remaining, is trying to rebuild it; thus, is not married and does not have kids. Which would mean that one of the new characters is probably Han/Leia's child

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Canonically speaking isn't Han from Corellia ...

Originally, yes. Now? Who knows.

If you give this a look, I'd say it confirms that Han is from Corellia, canonically speaking.

That and his actual ship is a (heavily and illegally modified) Corellian freighter.

Daisy Ridley is the incestuous bastard child belonging to Luke and Leia (ala Jofferey in Game of Thrones), that they conceived while Han was in carbonite. When they decided to go thaw him out they dropped her off on a backwater crap-hole so no one would find out, and now she's all grown up.

That's my prediction. Let's take bets.

My bet is that the black stormtrooper is Lando's kid, making him the only other black guy in the entire SW universe.

I'm a bit slow to the punch on this one having avoided all other SW teasers and chat since the announcement of SW:The Force Awakens but I had to take a peek at this when the damned BBC showed Chewie and Han in the Falcon.

MAN, I LOVED THAT.

I've watched it 4 time since getting into work now and I still have chills running up my back.

I hate pirating but if our chums in North Korea could do the business and release this ASAP to the net then that would be great.

I'll buy all the Cinema Tickets/DVDs/toys/poster when they're finally released to make up for it..........honestly George/Uncle Walt.

Did anyone else find their respect for BB-8 increased by about a billion when it was revealed that the droid actually works as shown in real life?

http://imgur.com/gallery/umSzUjp