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 kronk wrote:
It's not roads you block, it's entrances and exits to buildings, government, corporate, or otherwise. Also manufacturing plants, distribution centers, and so on.

Blocking actual roads blocks school buses, ambulances, and fire trucks, and is a gakky thing to do. Also dumb.

Well, blocking roads with 6 people is dumb. I think most of us agree that MLK was pretty effective in his groups' blocking of roads when they were marching.... but then, I think most people will agree or think Civil Rights > Tuition Rates at a perceived "affluent" school.

Well, tuition is an important issue right now.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well, tuition is an important issue right now.

It is important, but it's in no manner whatsoever even a fraction as important as the civil rights movement. It's also not important enough to risk the lives of even one person over. And as we have leaned, this little stunt did in fact put people's health in danger. It also cost one family a pet, and I personally hope the sue the students for every dollar they will possibly ever be able to earn.

Well getting expelled from the UC system, it might not be a lot lol.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well, tuition is an important issue right now.

I agree with you on that... and if perhaps these 6 "idiots" had gotten 1,000 or even 10,000 people to march with them to close off a major roadway, things might be a bit different.... That's kind of what I was getting at.


As I said earlier, the CC that I'm at currently is a State school and has announced rolling tuition increases starting with Fall 2015. I have a few friends who are attending out of pocket, or with some FAFSA help and are anywhere from "concerned" to "how the feth can I afford to continue school" on the announced increases.

I know that, in the past I have been fairly right leaning on these boards, but right now, if Presidential elections were right this minute, I'd be voting for Bernie, because he's at least saying the "right" things about education and the economy in my mind. Whether he got any or some of that stuff "done" during a term is a whole other thing of course.

Go banana slugs! (Cowell '92 - I played my first minis game, a WWII scenario, in some classroom on the Cowell campus. Hope there are still plenty o' nerds there to carry on)

Seems there are still some activists. That's good to hear. The tuition hikes and massive debt incurred by students these days is bewildering - a college degree is pretty damn important, but made less so if it comes along with 10s of thousands of dollars of debt. How we could get to this point is beyond me.

Pfft, Porter for LIFE!!!!

That was my sister's college, so I'm partial to Porterians.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well, tuition is an important issue right now.

Not that important if only 6 people turned up for the protest.....

Also, bill the protesters for the difference in cost between the ambulance ride and the helicopter medivac.
I know a medivac can cost $25,000. ambulance can cost between $250 and $2200 (depending on distance)
That's a lot of money that insurance companies often won't pay out for.

 marv335 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well, tuition is an important issue right now.

Not that important if only 6 people turned up for the protest.....

Also, bill the protesters for the difference in cost between the ambulance ride and the helicopter medivac.
I know a medivac can cost $25,000. ambulance can cost between $250 and $2200 (depending on distance)
That's a lot of money that insurance companies often won't pay out for.

Forget billing. Sue them for it. Sue them for the police and other services used. Have the families of the anyone inconvienced sue them for INTENTIONAL infliction of emotional distress.

Send 'em to the poorhouse boys.

Think you're broke with college loans?
Now you have college loans and multi million dollar lawsuit settlements.
Let's hope McDonalds gets that wage hike, you're gonna need it....

 marv335 wrote:
Think you're broke with college loans?
Now you have college loans and multi million dollar lawsuit settlements.
Let's hope McDonalds gets that wage hike, you're gonna need it....

It seems pointless to sue people for money that they don't have. I mean... if I'm bringing someone into court with the aim of compelling them to give me large amounts of money then I would be very stupid if I did it to someone I knew for sure wouldn't be able to actually do that.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 marv335 wrote:
Think you're broke with college loans?
Now you have college loans and multi million dollar lawsuit settlements.
Let's hope McDonalds gets that wage hike, you're gonna need it....

It seems pointless to sue people for money that they don't have. I mean... if I'm bringing someone into court with the aim of compelling them to give me large amounts of money then I would be very stupid if I did it to someone I knew for sure wouldn't be able to actually do that.

You don't always do it in the hopes of getting money. You can also do it to cause the other person to declare bankruptcy, go out of business, leave town, etc.

Furthermore, just because they're poor right now doesn't mean you can't garnish their wages for the rest of their life.

They should be suing the damn government for underfunding higher education. Or the Regents, who keep upping tuition. Why these small fries? Who gives two gaks about 'em? If our government would pull their collective heads out of their collective arses and start thinking about the future, they'd realize in short order how bad things have gotten.

Now get off my lawn.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 marv335 wrote:
Think you're broke with college loans?
Now you have college loans and multi million dollar lawsuit settlements.
Let's hope McDonalds gets that wage hike, you're gonna need it....

It seems pointless to sue people for money that they don't have. I mean... if I'm bringing someone into court with the aim of compelling them to give me large amounts of money then I would be very stupid if I did it to someone I knew for sure wouldn't be able to actually do that.

You sue them so that you can rightfully take everything they're gonna have. . . (internetz bingo! Who said it?)

pancakeonions wrote:
They should be suing the damn government for underfunding higher education. Or the Regents, who keep upping tuition. Why these small fries? Who gives two gaks about 'em? If our government would pull their collective heads out of their collective arses and start thinking about the future, they'd realize in short order how bad things have gotten.

Now get off my lawn.

Actually, they just repealed the tuition hike.

 kronk wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 marv335 wrote:
Think you're broke with college loans?
Now you have college loans and multi million dollar lawsuit settlements.
Let's hope McDonalds gets that wage hike, you're gonna need it....

It seems pointless to sue people for money that they don't have. I mean... if I'm bringing someone into court with the aim of compelling them to give me large amounts of money then I would be very stupid if I did it to someone I knew for sure wouldn't be able to actually do that.

You don't always do it in the hopes of getting money. You can also do it to cause the other person to declare bankruptcy, go out of business, leave town, etc.

Furthermore, just because they're poor right now doesn't mean you can't garnish their wages for the rest of their life.

Yeah, not everything is about money. Sometimes it's about ruining someone's life for the foreseeable future.

Let's put 6 people in debt for the rest of their lives for inconveniencing a group of people and causing them to use emergency services made for such situations. Even though they were attempting to get attention on a subject that puts the future of the country at risk.

You can sue anybody over here. That's the American Dream!

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Let's put 6 people in debt for the rest of their lives for inconveniencing a group of people and causing them to use emergency services made for such situations. Even though they were attempting to get attention on a subject that puts the future of the country at risk.

You can sue anybody over here. That's the American Dream!

Guess they may pay the price of being idiots and putting people at risk.




Once again, another instance of snarled traffic delaying emergency crews:

http://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-traffic-creates-problems-for-emergency-response-teams/478834/

Still clinging to your fantasy that emergency vehicles are in no way delayed by traffic? Where was the miracle method you claim exists for these Firefighters?

When did I claim that?

 Dreadwinter wrote:
When did I claim that?

When you claimed throughout this thread that we have things to deal with these situations. It was implied by you that there would be no delays because of the wonders you are privy to that no one I know who works medicine is heard about. If you are now saying otherwise, you are also saying you are cool with protestor created traffic snarls delaying rescue workers, which leads me to question your claim to be a medical worker.

Relapse wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
When did I claim that?

When you claimed throughout this thread that we have things to deal with these situations. It was implied by you that there would be no delays because of the wonders you are privy to that no one I know who works medicine is heard about. If you are now saying otherwise, you are also saying you are cool with protestor created traffic snarls delaying rescue workers, which leads me to question your claim to be a medical worker.

There is your problem right there. You are trying to make it sound like I was arguing something I wasn't. Of course traffic effects rescue workers. Traffic effects everything. In fact, that is what this whole thread is about. However, everything in the OPs article was fine because of the many different ways we have to respond to a medical emergency, mainly about the use of life flight.

Then you start popping in with fire trucks and saying "HA I GOT YOU" when that is not even remotely what I said.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
When did I claim that?

When you claimed throughout this thread that we have things to deal with these situations. It was implied by you that there would be no delays because of the wonders you are privy to that no one I know who works medicine is heard about. If you are now saying otherwise, you are also saying you are cool with protestor created traffic snarls delaying rescue workers, which leads me to question your claim to be a medical worker.

There is your problem right there. You are trying to make it sound like I was arguing something I wasn't. Of course traffic effects rescue workers. Traffic effects everything. In fact, that is what this whole thread is about. However, everything in the OPs article was fine because of the many different ways we have to respond to a medical emergency, mainly about the use of life flight.

Then you start popping in with fire trucks and saying "HA I GOT YOU" when that is not even remotely what I said.

I mentioned police and fire vehicles earlier and you kept saying traffic jams can be dealt with. Now it seems you are saying it's perfectly fine for rescue vehicles to be delayed because of protestors blocking traffic. How much medicine do you really know when you make such statements?
You do realize in any kind of an emergency situation, such that would require the need for police, firefighters, or medical attention, seconds can count, right? At least that's what anyone I know in any of those professions say when they talk about their work.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/what-slows-down-emergency-responders-when-every-second-counts-n194126

Are you that uncaring or ill versed in the medical profession, which you claim you were in since age 18, that you have this opinion?

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Let's put 6 people in debt for the rest of their lives for inconveniencing a group of people and causing them to use emergency services made for such situations. Even though they were attempting to get attention on a subject that puts the future of the country at risk.

You can sue anybody over here. That's the American Dream!

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Don't block the roads if you can't...uh...pay the fines. that doesn't work.

Don't block the streets if you can't pay the fees? That's rather weak.

Don't block the avenues if you can't pay the dues. Still lame.

Don't put your head where the sun don't shine if you can't pay the fething fine.

That's it. We'll go with that.

Okay Relapse, not sure where you are getting this. This whole topic is about medical response. Not fire or police, like you keep trying to stiff arm in. So please, stop. I understand the issue with traffic. I believe first responders should have the green light button mentioned in your article. But, you are trying to make this situation in to something it is not and then make an example of people for it. This terrible situation, which I have yet to see an article about or anything other than hearsay, was avoided by medical services we have access to.

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Okay Relapse, not sure where you are getting this. This whole topic is about medical response. Not fire or police, like you keep trying to stiff arm in. So please, stop. I understand the issue with traffic. I believe first responders should have the green light button mentioned in your article. But, you are trying to make this situation in to something it is not and then make an example of people for it. This terrible situation, which I have yet to see an article about or anything other than hearsay, was avoided by medical services we have access to.

You seem confused on this, and you statement here proves it even more. From my first comment on page 1,

"Once more, stupidity on display. Did these students bother to think about the situation of people that might be penalized for getting to work late, graveyard workers trying to hurry home so that their spouse can leave the kids in their care so they can get to work, emergency workers trying to get to the scene of an accident, fire, or crime? "

Where in there am I talking only about medical emergencies? Are you of the belief that firefighters and police trying to get to the scene of an emergency are unhindered by demonstrations blocking traffic? The situation is emergency responders can be blocked by these things and now you're trying to deflect away from your original assertions that they don't get delayed, to, it doesn't matter if they get delayed.
You're kind of all over the board on this one, and I have to ask just what relation to the medical field you have, because you are the first one in any run of the profession that says it doesn't matter if a rescue is delayed.

Were there police and fire involved in this situation or are we back to what ifs?

I also never said it doesn't matter if a rescue is delayed. You are putting words in my mouth in an attempt to make your argument sound better. What I said was we have things to deal with these medical emergencies and they were properly used and everything worked out fine because of it. You were acting like the protestors killed somebody. Why are you making this more than it is?

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Were there police and fire involved in this situation or are we back to what ifs?

I also never said it doesn't matter if a rescue is delayed. You are putting words in my mouth in an attempt to make your argument sound better. What I said was we have things to deal with these medical emergencies and they were properly used and everything worked out fine because of it. You were acting like the protestors killed somebody. Why are you making this more than it is?

Because it could have gone the other way and you don't seem to care, if your statements lauding the protestors and the results of their action are anything to go by. Answer my question, please. Just what have you to do with medicine since you laid the claim early on that you have been into this kind of thing since you were 18. I'm curious to see what branch of the medical profession doesn't mind protestors blocking emergency crews when someone is at risk.

I worked on a Medsurg unit in a Hospital, I've also worked in an ER and ICU in the same hospital. I was the designated runner on the code team almost every day. Currently I work rehabilitating the mentally ill back in to the community by teaching them coping skills as well as life skills. I've posted about it in another thread.

If this had gone the other way it would be an issue. But it did not. The protestors blocked the road, but luckily we have ways around that. Like Life Flight, which can go almost anywhere.

But again, this is all hearsay and nothing official about the incident has been posted. I'm not sure how to simplify this any more for you.