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I'd keep it running as is for the first few weeks to get my own hedonistic desires out of my system. Gotta enjoy life a bit before getting into the brutal grind.

In the first while, I'd be having huge parties with tons of people, all the cool mafk's from the lore who could make it there in that time frame.

I'd probably try to hook tons of people up with free stuff everywhere I went. Starving populace on the way to 'insert party'? Be sure to bring a caravan of food and valuables/currency for them. It would be like the historical Hajj of Mansa Musa. Read up on the man Mansa Musa, you'll be blown away who the wealthiest man in history actually was and what he did. I'd basically try to do what he did minus the accidental destabilization of economies.

As a bodybuilder I'd also have a personal cook/nutritionist who was a servitor/cyborg. She would be able to measure every portion perfectly, even analyze my exact macros down to the calorie due to the scales and laser measurement equipment and other assorted tools integrated into her physiology. Build myself up perfectly.

The dopest wardrobe in the sector. Personal tailor, etc.

Also get the craziest ship tailored just for me. Lots of cool things on board like different artificial environments depending on my mood, several clubs, a huge gym, friends and family all over the place enjoying themselves.

Anyway, back to reality! See ya folks!

 EmpNortonII wrote:


The Tau make their weapons efficiently enough they can arm every soldier with a rifle superior to the bolter humanity reserves for its elite warriors. They're the only race in the galaxy that is advancing technology- every other race has hits its zenith and is falling backwards. Both make the Tau worthwhile allies that can change the fate of the galaxy.

Numerical superiority didn't work out well on Taros. The Tau captured about as many troops as they themselves deployed in the conflict, iirc.

The Imperium is falling backwards technologically entirely because of Dogma. Break that and they start to move forwards again.

Or find a fully functional STC, and suddenly they murderize everything in the universe.

Also, you keep bringing up that "Every Tau has a pulse rifle!" argument like it matters.. That's great and all, but the Imperium has more freaking tanks than the Tau do Pulse Rifles. The Tau can arm their miniscule army pretty well because it's miniscule, the Imperium craps out more of every single type of heavy / specialized weapon than the Tau do their basic armament.

1. Get rid of the PDF and replace it with the SDF (sector defence force). this should allow individual worlds to hold out better because more local forces will be available while the IG or SM.

2. Try and create a better list of all the worlds occupied by humanity. Somehow convince the Navis Nobilite to create a shared star map through magic or the 3 Bs (bribery, blackmail and bullying).

3. Declare certain worlds under the governorship of the IG either in strategic positions or worlds in risk of attack and get them to build fortifications massively.

4. Set up something similar to the AdMech but with less religious stuff. Over a long time far exceeding my own lifetime they would replace the AdMech through slowly reverse- engineering and finding and copying STCs.

1 - The Astra Militarum operates at sector as well as segmentum level - it essentially is the force you're talking about here; local forces get moved around at sector level from sector capitals or their naval bases. See the Calixis Sector in Dark Heresy - the Imperial Guard is essentially running wars at the local level, because you can't make timely strategic decisions from further away.

2 - The problem is that the Navis don't know what they know. Even the paterfamilias of a given dynasty won't know everything every member of that dynasty knows, because certain 'routes' are the property of Rogue Traders, etc and the information never gets reported back to Terra. I would argue that they probably try - that's what the Paternova's job theoretically is (the Paternoval Envoy is his representative to the High Lords and vice-versa.

3 - They already are. Cadia is the obvious example, but there's a whole category of 'fortress worlds' and 'armoury worlds' run by the Astra Militarum/Navy and Departmeno Munitorium. Vraks was another one, as is 88 Tanstar and Port Maw.

4 - The problem is, who's going to train them? To get a meaningful working knowledge of technology you need education from the senior Adeptus Mechanicus (the Magos who understand some of the underlying equations and science, not just the work-a-day enginseers who follow a set ritual because machine spirit). Which means you're asking the organisation you're intending to replace to train the people intended to destroy their religion.

-Dismantle the Ecclesiarchy
-Merge the Officcio Assassinorum and the Inquisition into an Imperial Intelligence force
-Invest in some serious green energy programmes
-Decrease tax rates on Imperial citizens and provide some basic healthcare programs
-Re-form chapters into legions that are more easily manageable
-Reform the Administratum to be less bureaucratic
-Gather all on Terra
-Unplug the golden throne
-Laugh maniacally as the corpse emperor and his slaves burn in the fires of chaos

locarno24 wrote:

1. Get rid of the PDF and replace it with the SDF (sector defence force). this should allow individual worlds to hold out better because more local forces will be available while the IG or SM.

2. Try and create a better list of all the worlds occupied by humanity. Somehow convince the Navis Nobilite to create a shared star map through magic or the 3 Bs (bribery, blackmail and bullying).

3. Declare certain worlds under the governorship of the IG either in strategic positions or worlds in risk of attack and get them to build fortifications massively.

4. Set up something similar to the AdMech but with less religious stuff. Over a long time far exceeding my own lifetime they would replace the AdMech through slowly reverse- engineering and finding and copying STCs.

1 - The Astra Militarum operates at sector as well as segmentum level - it essentially is the force you're talking about here; local forces get moved around at sector level from sector capitals or their naval bases. See the Calixis Sector in Dark Heresy - the Imperial Guard is essentially running wars at the local level, because you can't make timely strategic decisions from further away.

2 - The problem is that the Navis don't know what they know. Even the paterfamilias of a given dynasty won't know everything every member of that dynasty knows, because certain 'routes' are the property of Rogue Traders, etc and the information never gets reported back to Terra. I would argue that they probably try - that's what the Paternova's job theoretically is (the Paternoval Envoy is his representative to the High Lords and vice-versa.

3 - They already are. Cadia is the obvious example, but there's a whole category of 'fortress worlds' and 'armoury worlds' run by the Astra Militarum/Navy and Departmeno Munitorium. Vraks was another one, as is 88 Tanstar and Port Maw.

4 - The problem is, who's going to train them? To get a meaningful working knowledge of technology you need education from the senior Adeptus Mechanicus (the Magos who understand some of the underlying equations and science, not just the work-a-day enginseers who follow a set ritual because machine spirit). Which means you're asking the organisation you're intending to replace to train the people intended to destroy their religion.

right then I suppose the Imperium is truly doing it's absolute useless best. I can't think of anything else on a galatic scale.

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Legalize prostitution and cocaine.

 kronk wrote:

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Legalize prostitution and cocaine.

I agree

All right so how can I sign Kronk up to be a High Lord of Terra?

 kronk wrote:

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Legalize prostitution and cocaine.

from everything I read everyone's assertions will probably look more like this:

Step one: introduce reforms
Step two: fight a civil war
Step three: achieve piece
Step four : fight a civil war...

repeat until everything has been cleansed or aligned.

That is realistically how most of these plans would go, especially if you are going to reform the Ad. Mech or the Inquisition. Those in power will fight not to lose it,

I would adopt the Roman Salute the standard greeting for all Imperial military and civilian personnel.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:


The Tau make their weapons efficiently enough they can arm every soldier with a rifle superior to the bolter humanity reserves for its elite warriors. They're the only race in the galaxy that is advancing technology- every other race has hits its zenith and is falling backwards. Both make the Tau worthwhile allies that can change the fate of the galaxy.

Numerical superiority didn't work out well on Taros. The Tau captured about as many troops as they themselves deployed in the conflict, iirc.

The Imperium is falling backwards technologically entirely because of Dogma. Break that and they start to move forwards again.

Or find a fully functional STC, and suddenly they murderize everything in the universe.

Also, you keep bringing up that "Every Tau has a pulse rifle!" argument like it matters.. That's great and all, but the Imperium has more freaking tanks than the Tau do Pulse Rifles. The Tau can arm their miniscule army pretty well because it's miniscule, the Imperium craps out more of every single type of heavy / specialized weapon than the Tau do their basic armament.

With production of arms, efficiency of scale does, in fact, come into play... and in fact makes what the Tau do more impressive.

The Tau, as I understand it, aren't big enough to have entire worlds centered solely on cranking out armaments. Each Sept looks after its own Cadres and auxiliaries. This makes the Tau even more impressive, not less. Especially since the Fire Caste probably makes up a much larger portion of the Empire compared to the Imperium's Guard.

The problem with breaking the dogma is that the dogma serves a function- protecting humanity from the corrupting influence Chaos can have on certain forms of technology. Finding a fully-functioning STC carries a similar danger (although my Brilliant Plan involves seizing one). Both together will result in a repeat of the incident around the Men of Iron. The Tau have less of a worry, for various in-universe reasons that don't make sense the way the real world works.

The combined sum of Imperial tanks led to a loss against Abaddon on Cadia. Don't forget that. Clearly, humanity's quantity of arms only gets them so far. If you want to kill Abaddon (and I do) you need something other than what the Imperium had.

My plan requires something else, so I intend to get it. The Tau have it. Humanity does not.

It's simple...... We kill the Batman.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
It's simple......

We kill the Batman.

Impossible. Batman is Alpharius.

If I was in charge?
The first thing I'd do is commission a huge self sufficient ship from the AdMech.
One that can survive without external assistance from planets, asteroids or other celestial bodies.

As I flee the Universe, I submit a signal to Terra saying I resign from my post.

As I flee the Universe, I submit a signal to Terra saying I resign from my post.

I think you'll find the Universe pretty much covers everything...

 Psienesis wrote:

As I flee the Universe, I submit a signal to Terra saying I resign from my post.

I think you'll find the Universe pretty much covers everything...

Pfft. Whatever. As I flee the place where all the Chaos and Necrons are, and where the Tyranids are going to.
As long as I avoid the Outsiders realm, and give the SpaceBugs a tasty treat in the form of a Minotaur/BT crusade, then they'll ignore me, and I'm out of the Galaxy.

 Psienesis wrote:

As I flee the Universe, I submit a signal to Terra saying I resign from my post.

I think you'll find the Universe pretty much covers everything...

Shut up woman get in the ship.

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Reinstate the Marine Corps. The Reason the Imperium is so stagnant is they have let their standards fall. After a couple of years, maybe summoning the Ghost of Chesty Puller we could easily reinvigorate the Great Crusade. So long as theirs enough Porn, Chewing Tobacco and Whiskey in the supplies I don't see how this could fail

 Ghazkuul wrote:

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Reinstate the Marine Corps. The Reason the Imperium is so stagnant is they have let their standards fall. After a couple of years, maybe summoning the Ghost of Chesty Puller we could easily reinvigorate the Great Crusade. So long as theirs enough Porn, Chewing Tobacco and Whiskey in the supplies I don't see how this could fail

Easy. The Marines will demand that all future aircraft have a jump-jet version, and thus the IoM will forever sacrifice air superiority to its enemies as all of its fighters will have to be light enough to take off from ski ramps and land vertically, regardless of how it penalizes the non-Marine versions, because they'll STILL be hung up on Guadalcanal 40,000 years later.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Reinstate the Marine Corps. The Reason the Imperium is so stagnant is they have let their standards fall. After a couple of years, maybe summoning the Ghost of Chesty Puller we could easily reinvigorate the Great Crusade. So long as theirs enough Porn, Chewing Tobacco and Whiskey in the supplies I don't see how this could fail

Can we do both yours AND Kronk's plans?

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Hierophant wrote:


Put a ton of resources into killing him, and Honsou, or someone else, gets a promotion and all his Chaos gifts. Nothing has really changed. Nobody really cares about Abaddon (does anyone in Chaos care about anyone else?), and his death would simply cause a series of promotions, nothing more. No morale collapse, nothing.

The Chaos gods are not known for their ability to get along. They all have interests that work in opposition to each other. It could be that they find a leader quickly... or we get a scenario where the chosen warlords of various Chaos gods war and scheme for control for centuries while the IoM has enough time to crush Gaz, turn back the 'Nids, and hunt Necrons before they wake.... in that order, more than likely.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'd open a dialog with the Ethereals to negotiate some sort of long-term cultural exchange and peace treaty. They need to understand the true dangers of Chaos, and my Imperial Guard needs pulse rifles and hover-tanks to replace the worthless gak they currently use.

Out of curiosity, why?

The Tau are a worthlessly tiny annoyance in one tiny insignificant corner of the Galaxy. Plus, nothing they have is better than what the Imperium already has theoretical access to. The Imperium could arm all their soldiers with power armor, plasma guns, and give them hover tanks if they wanted. The issue is that would mean they'd only be able to arm a tiny fraction of what they currently do. Getting some Tau technology wouldn't change the issue of finite resources.

Lasguns, LRBTs, and all the other gear Guardsmen get isn't the best, but it ensures the job gets done. As opposed to having only a small number of highly equipped but terribly outnumbered soldiers.

The Lasgun and LRBT are actually quite decent vehicles. The lasgun is cheap, very reliable, has decent stopping power, and is simple to operate. The LRBT is also cheap, has good armor, a long range and powerful gun that is both simple to operate and keep running, it runs on just about any combustible liquid, and its an all around reliable vehicle.

It doesn't matter if a Hammerhead is 3 times as good as an LRBT when you can deploy 9 LRBTs for the cost of one Hammerhead.

The Tau make their weapons efficiently enough they can arm every soldier with a rifle superior to the bolter humanity reserves for its elite warriors. They're the only race in the galaxy that is advancing technology- every other race has hits its zenith and is falling backwards. Both make the Tau worthwhile allies that can change the fate of the galaxy.

Numerical superiority didn't work out well on Taros. The Tau captured about as many troops as they themselves deployed in the conflict, iirc.

Sure, they can make their weapons efficiently now. They couldn't if they had to arm trillions upon trillions of people a year.

Yes they are advancing technologically. But they're still very primitive compared to the Imperium and Ad Mech. It would be better to simply use what the Imperium already has more efficiently. Not downgrade for stuff that's flashy, but actually less advanced.

Taros wasn't numerical superiority. Literally in none of the Imperium-Tau conflicts has the Imperium thrown any serious weight at the Tau, because they're insignificant and not worth the effort. If the Tau EVER catch the Imperium's real attention, they'll last maybe a few decades.

This is what the Tau are. The Tau are a small tribe of people who live on a tiny Island in the Caribbean. They happen to have invented a gun that can shoot a half mile with accuracy. The Imperium is the British Empire which spans the globe with the power of their Navy. These pitiful natives have only managed to invent log rafts to travel from island to island. Saying the Tau are what would save the Imperium is like saying these natives have something the British Empire would not only need, but something that they will go extinct without. Believe me, nothing the Tau have is a threat to the Imperium OR the key to saving it.

Just pointing it out here, but the tau's plasma weaponry is pretty nice. AFAIK, it is a lot less likely to explode than the IoM's version, and does much more damage than a lasrifle, while still being easy to manufacture. (Granted, not as easy as lasrifles areally to produce en mass)

Just to clarify, Imperial Plasma weapons do not actually explode except in very very rare circumstances. Gets Hot doesn't represent it exploding, it represents the emergency cooling systems venting and injuring the wielder(hence why you get an armor save). The weapon itself is going to be perfectly fine. When you have tons of soldiers to carry said weapon, and don't care about their personal safety, having it injure its users is perfectly acceptable when its very strong. You'll notice Imperial plasma is stronger than Tau plasma.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Just to clarify, Imperial Plasma weapons do not actually explode except in very very rare circumstances. Gets Hot doesn't represent it exploding, it represents the emergency cooling systems venting and injuring the wielder(hence why you get an armor save). The weapon itself is going to be perfectly fine. When you have tons of soldiers to carry said weapon, and don't care about their personal safety, having it injure its users is perfectly acceptable when its very strong. You'll notice Imperial plasma is stronger than Tau plasma.

Significantly so. An Imperial Plasma gun can kill you by vicinity. You don't need a direct hit to kill something like an Ork, Human, or Firewarrior. The bolt is so hot that a glob of the stuff flying by your person will cause you to burst into flame and end up looking like Uncle Owen.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

emperorsGlory wrote:
Let's say through some miraculous mixup or strange turn of fortunes, you are suddenly given full control of the Imperium of Man.
What would be the first thing you would do?

Re-vitalize Holy Terra? Legal Reform? Increased R&D funding? Nothing?

Let me know your thoughts.

Reinstate the Marine Corps. The Reason the Imperium is so stagnant is they have let their standards fall. After a couple of years, maybe summoning the Ghost of Chesty Puller we could easily reinvigorate the Great Crusade. So long as theirs enough Porn, Chewing Tobacco and Whiskey in the supplies I don't see how this could fail

Easy. The Marines will demand that all future aircraft have a jump-jet version, and thus the IoM will forever sacrifice air superiority to its enemies as all of its fighters will have to be light enough to take off from ski ramps and land vertically, regardless of how it penalizes the non-Marine versions, because they'll STILL be hung up on Guadalcanal 40,000 years later.

Damn... It just got too real in here. Roasted.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Just to clarify, Imperial Plasma weapons do not actually explode except in very very rare circumstances. Gets Hot doesn't represent it exploding, it represents the emergency cooling systems venting and injuring the wielder(hence why you get an armor save). The weapon itself is going to be perfectly fine. When you have tons of soldiers to carry said weapon, and don't care about their personal safety, having it injure its users is perfectly acceptable when its very strong. You'll notice Imperial plasma is stronger than Tau plasma.

Significantly so. An Imperial Plasma gun can kill you by vicinity. You don't need a direct hit to kill something like an Ork, Human, or Firewarrior. The bolt is so hot that a glob of the stuff flying by your person will cause you to burst into flame and end up looking like Uncle Owen.

Gotta be, I saw an interview where a soldier mentions that a .50 cal bullet can sear flesh just by passing a bunch ( I want to say 18, but I don't remember) of inches near said flesh.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Just to clarify, Imperial Plasma weapons do not actually explode except in very very rare circumstances. Gets Hot doesn't represent it exploding, it represents the emergency cooling systems venting and injuring the wielder(hence why you get an armor save). The weapon itself is going to be perfectly fine. When you have tons of soldiers to carry said weapon, and don't care about their personal safety, having it injure its users is perfectly acceptable when its very strong. You'll notice Imperial plasma is stronger than Tau plasma.

Significantly so. An Imperial Plasma gun can kill you by vicinity. You don't need a direct hit to kill something like an Ork, Human, or Firewarrior. The bolt is so hot that a glob of the stuff flying by your person will cause you to burst into flame and end up looking like Uncle Owen.

Gotta be, I saw an interview where a soldier mentions that a .50 cal bullet can sear flesh just by passing a bunch ( I want to say 18, but I don't remember) of inches near said flesh.

That's probably the tracers considering .50 lacks the energy to shatter glass when passing by it.

yeah, I'm pretty sure its a total myth that .50cals can hurt you just by passing by. But if you get even grazed you're in trouble.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Hierophant wrote:


Put a ton of resources into killing him, and Honsou, or someone else, gets a promotion and all his Chaos gifts. Nothing has really changed. Nobody really cares about Abaddon (does anyone in Chaos care about anyone else?), and his death would simply cause a series of promotions, nothing more. No morale collapse, nothing.

The Chaos gods are not known for their ability to get along. They all have interests that work in opposition to each other. It could be that they find a leader quickly... or we get a scenario where the chosen warlords of various Chaos gods war and scheme for control for centuries while the IoM has enough time to crush Gaz, turn back the 'Nids, and hunt Necrons before they wake.... in that order, more than likely.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'd open a dialog with the Ethereals to negotiate some sort of long-term cultural exchange and peace treaty. They need to understand the true dangers of Chaos, and my Imperial Guard needs pulse rifles and hover-tanks to replace the worthless gak they currently use.

Out of curiosity, why?

The Tau are a worthlessly tiny annoyance in one tiny insignificant corner of the Galaxy. Plus, nothing they have is better than what the Imperium already has theoretical access to. The Imperium could arm all their soldiers with power armor, plasma guns, and give them hover tanks if they wanted. The issue is that would mean they'd only be able to arm a tiny fraction of what they currently do. Getting some Tau technology wouldn't change the issue of finite resources.

Lasguns, LRBTs, and all the other gear Guardsmen get isn't the best, but it ensures the job gets done. As opposed to having only a small number of highly equipped but terribly outnumbered soldiers.

The Lasgun and LRBT are actually quite decent vehicles. The lasgun is cheap, very reliable, has decent stopping power, and is simple to operate. The LRBT is also cheap, has good armor, a long range and powerful gun that is both simple to operate and keep running, it runs on just about any combustible liquid, and its an all around reliable vehicle.

It doesn't matter if a Hammerhead is 3 times as good as an LRBT when you can deploy 9 LRBTs for the cost of one Hammerhead.

The Tau make their weapons efficiently enough they can arm every soldier with a rifle superior to the bolter humanity reserves for its elite warriors. They're the only race in the galaxy that is advancing technology- every other race has hits its zenith and is falling backwards. Both make the Tau worthwhile allies that can change the fate of the galaxy.

Numerical superiority didn't work out well on Taros. The Tau captured about as many troops as they themselves deployed in the conflict, iirc.

Sure, they can make their weapons efficiently now. They couldn't if they had to arm trillions upon trillions of people a year.

Yes they are advancing technologically. But they're still very primitive compared to the Imperium and Ad Mech. It would be better to simply use what the Imperium already has more efficiently. Not downgrade for stuff that's flashy, but actually less advanced.

Taros wasn't numerical superiority. Literally in none of the Imperium-Tau conflicts has the Imperium thrown any serious weight at the Tau, because they're insignificant and not worth the effort. If the Tau EVER catch the Imperium's real attention, they'll last maybe a few decades.

This is what the Tau are. The Tau are a small tribe of people who live on a tiny Island in the Caribbean. They happen to have invented a gun that can shoot a half mile with accuracy. The Imperium is the British Empire which spans the globe with the power of their Navy. These pitiful natives have only managed to invent log rafts to travel from island to island. Saying the Tau are what would save the Imperium is like saying these natives have something the British Empire would not only need, but something that they will go extinct without. Believe me, nothing the Tau have is a threat to the Imperium OR the key to saving it.

At Taros, the Tau captured about as many Imperial troops as the Tau fielded in the campaign... and most of the humans escaped (tails between their legs).

A pulse rifle is certainly more advanced than a bolter. The pulse rifle is easier to use, easier to manufacture, hits harder, and has a longer range... and that's what humanity gives to its *elite* warriors as a battle rifle.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Hierophant wrote:


Put a ton of resources into killing him, and Honsou, or someone else, gets a promotion and all his Chaos gifts. Nothing has really changed. Nobody really cares about Abaddon (does anyone in Chaos care about anyone else?), and his death would simply cause a series of promotions, nothing more. No morale collapse, nothing.

The Chaos gods are not known for their ability to get along. They all have interests that work in opposition to each other. It could be that they find a leader quickly... or we get a scenario where the chosen warlords of various Chaos gods war and scheme for control for centuries while the IoM has enough time to crush Gaz, turn back the 'Nids, and hunt Necrons before they wake.... in that order, more than likely.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'd open a dialog with the Ethereals to negotiate some sort of long-term cultural exchange and peace treaty. They need to understand the true dangers of Chaos, and my Imperial Guard needs pulse rifles and hover-tanks to replace the worthless gak they currently use.

Out of curiosity, why?

The Tau are a worthlessly tiny annoyance in one tiny insignificant corner of the Galaxy. Plus, nothing they have is better than what the Imperium already has theoretical access to. The Imperium could arm all their soldiers with power armor, plasma guns, and give them hover tanks if they wanted. The issue is that would mean they'd only be able to arm a tiny fraction of what they currently do. Getting some Tau technology wouldn't change the issue of finite resources.

Lasguns, LRBTs, and all the other gear Guardsmen get isn't the best, but it ensures the job gets done. As opposed to having only a small number of highly equipped but terribly outnumbered soldiers.

The Lasgun and LRBT are actually quite decent vehicles. The lasgun is cheap, very reliable, has decent stopping power, and is simple to operate. The LRBT is also cheap, has good armor, a long range and powerful gun that is both simple to operate and keep running, it runs on just about any combustible liquid, and its an all around reliable vehicle.

It doesn't matter if a Hammerhead is 3 times as good as an LRBT when you can deploy 9 LRBTs for the cost of one Hammerhead.

The Tau make their weapons efficiently enough they can arm every soldier with a rifle superior to the bolter humanity reserves for its elite warriors. They're the only race in the galaxy that is advancing technology- every other race has hits its zenith and is falling backwards. Both make the Tau worthwhile allies that can change the fate of the galaxy.

Numerical superiority didn't work out well on Taros. The Tau captured about as many troops as they themselves deployed in the conflict, iirc.

Sure, they can make their weapons efficiently now. They couldn't if they had to arm trillions upon trillions of people a year.

Yes they are advancing technologically. But they're still very primitive compared to the Imperium and Ad Mech. It would be better to simply use what the Imperium already has more efficiently. Not downgrade for stuff that's flashy, but actually less advanced.

Taros wasn't numerical superiority. Literally in none of the Imperium-Tau conflicts has the Imperium thrown any serious weight at the Tau, because they're insignificant and not worth the effort. If the Tau EVER catch the Imperium's real attention, they'll last maybe a few decades.

This is what the Tau are. The Tau are a small tribe of people who live on a tiny Island in the Caribbean. They happen to have invented a gun that can shoot a half mile with accuracy. The Imperium is the British Empire which spans the globe with the power of their Navy. These pitiful natives have only managed to invent log rafts to travel from island to island. Saying the Tau are what would save the Imperium is like saying these natives have something the British Empire would not only need, but something that they will go extinct without. Believe me, nothing the Tau have is a threat to the Imperium OR the key to saving it.

At Taros, the Tau captured about as many Imperial troops as the Tau fielded in the campaign... and most of the humans escaped (tails between their legs).

A pulse rifle is certainly more advanced than a bolter. The pulse rifle is easier to use, easier to manufacture, hits harder, and has a longer range... and that's what humanity gives to its *elite* warriors as a battle rifle.

And a Bolter has more than one type of ammunition. You try shooting Pulse Rifles at Tyranids, I'll take Hellfire rounds, thankyouverymuch.