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**Filch**

biggie_reg wrote:
I get annoyed when people bring superheavies/GMC/fliers without mentioning it beforehand. Unfortunately that may have scared a guy off from my FLGS, but I find that I can't have a list at 750 pt that can counter regular guys and 3 fliers in a kill point game. No point in playing the game if I can't reach you to knock you down. Just mention it so we know there may be some around when we get randomly matched. As a fix to the problem of bringing lists digitally, we had to submit the list we were using at least a day before playing in our league so the opponent can check to see if it was the same list that was submitted. Very easy and allows us to bring our tablet lists if we want.

I dont mean to be rude but SHV and GMC and Flyers are part of the game now so deal with it. There is no reason why a player cant bring 3 flyers at 750pts. No reason why he cant bring a wraith knight and 6 scatbikes at 750pts. If you have a problem with it then dont play him. If you are forced to play him jn a tournament then forfeit because you cant handle it.

WH40m is no longer a game about small armies in a skirmish anymore. Its about casual hobbyist who buy the newest biggest awesome looking models to paint and not play. "GW is in the business to sell models not make a tournament game."

"Casual" they tute

I wished some told me this years ago so i would have quit before i began. Now I am in too deep. I out too much to quit now.

**Iron_Captain**

master of ordinance wrote:
Akar wrote:

Out of Game
5) Scratchbuild Proxies. Foamcore/Lego/Papercraft/etc. are fine for a few games or a month or two if it's something you plan on testing to see if it's something you want to invest in. This game is expensive, and if you're broke then I get why you'd want to try stuff out first. When I see that other purchases/additions to the army have been made, and you're still using the 'proxies', it's time to man up. It's borderline disrespectful to those of us that have taken the time/effort/$$ for you to still play, and even win, with stuff you have no intention of buying.
6) Forgeworld Proxies. Kind of on the same lines. If you don't have the Forgeworld model after a few games, aren't willing to support FW by purchasing their products, you shouldn't be allowed to use the rules. I know there are some VERY well built scratch builds out there, and everyone will draw the line differently. I just keep it simple and draw it at owning the actual product. Still, this is a minor irritation, as they might be practicing for an event that will allow stuff like this. For Casual games, keep it among your friends.

Eh now you see I dont use GW miniatures because I really do not like them.
For my Infantry I use Bolt Action British and German Infantry
For my tanks I use Bolt Action Churchills and Tigers/Panthers, converted 1:32 scale light tanks and a scratch built Thunder that was once a broken Rhino model.
For my flyers I plan to use some 1:56 scale stuff once I find it.
I do own an IG Shadowsword but I am scratch building my new Baneblade chassis to fit in with my army.

In addition to this I simply cannot afford to purchase GW/FW stuff. Not when I am paying £2+ for a single Guardsman. Not when a tank costs £38+. And most certainly not when I need 60+ Guardsmen and 10+ Battletanks.
Your comment does come off in a kind of elitist way, as though we peasants are not good enough for your rich boys game.

Why aren't you playing Bolt Action then

It has better rules, and seeing as that you already have the models...

BTW, there is nothing elitist about wanting to play 40k with 40k models. This is 40k after all, not Bolt Action. For some people, having the 20th Century Wehrmacht running around in their science fiction games breaks immersion.

I myself am fine with non-GW models (I use non-GW models for my IG infantry) as long as they fit the spirit of the 40k universe.

**Filch**

TheAvengingKnee wrote:
I bring most of the stuff on my tablet because there are no stores near to buy the physical books at and shipping books from GW has had issues in the past for me and I bought them digitally so I can use them at work as well. I also have no problem letting someone see my tablet to look at the list.

The reason I hate when people pick up successes first is then it's impossible to dispute if they pick up one that was not a success, if they remove failures first then I can always say that 2 laying there was a failure, the other way around they just get extras because they effectively cheated.

I just dont understand what is going thru their heads?

Oh successful dice! pick them up quickly before the opponent sees. Oh was that a failed dice? Not anymore!

**Glasdir**

kronk wrote:
Giving advice to either player in a game you aren't fething playing.

Go die in a house fire that your mom started to erase all memory of your existence.

I know this is from a few pages ago, but this, so much this.
I have actually packed up and left my local GW in the middle of a game because of backseat generals who make snide comments about what army and models you take/how you play,it just sucks the fun out of the game.
I absolutely hate when others who are watching come and cheer their friends on to the point that they are actually insulting you/wishing you to lose out loud, really makes me want to tell them to feth off very loudly.
we have one kid who does both at my local store, hardly plays just lurks there for nearly every hour the store is open and upsets people, particularly me.

**Vankraken**

Filch wrote:
TheAvengingKnee wrote:
I bring most of the stuff on my tablet because there are no stores near to buy the physical books at and shipping books from GW has had issues in the past for me and I bought them digitally so I can use them at work as well. I also have no problem letting someone see my tablet to look at the list.

The reason I hate when people pick up successes first is then it's impossible to dispute if they pick up one that was not a success, if they remove failures first then I can always say that 2 laying there was a failure, the other way around they just get extras because they effectively cheated.

I just dont understand what is going thru their heads?

Oh successful dice! pick them up quickly before the opponent sees. Oh was that a failed dice? Not anymore!

If I'm rolling multiple rounds of rolls (3 sets of 20 instead of 60 dice at once for example) I tend to want to count the successes instead of picking up all the failures, then having to count the successes. Then again the people I play with I trust to play fair (theres only 1 person at my FLGS that I don't trust and I just avoid playing him) so I don't see an issue with picking up successes, especially when its a ton of dice rolls. Also its fairly obvious the difference between somebody trying to sneak in successes, such as they tend to immediately pick up the dice and hide what they are doing, instead just trying to get through rolls in a timely manner.

**Kavish**

Picking up successful dice rolls instead of fails.

Counting up for wounds/hull points.

Cheesy armies made of bad proxies.

People who hardly know the rules and deliberate over every little decision.

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People who roll dice among the models (scatter rolls excepted).

**OgreChubbs**

My biggest problem is people who complain about how other people play with their toys or how they roll the die. Nothing worse then toxic people sucking the fun from a toy game.

**Filch**

Vankraken wrote:
Filch wrote:
TheAvengingKnee wrote:
I bring most of the stuff on my tablet because there are no stores near to buy the physical books at and shipping books from GW has had issues in the past for me and I bought them digitally so I can use them at work as well. I also have no problem letting someone see my tablet to look at the list.

The reason I hate when people pick up successes first is then it's impossible to dispute if they pick up one that was not a success, if they remove failures first then I can always say that 2 laying there was a failure, the other way around they just get extras because they effectively cheated.

I just dont understand what is going thru their heads?

Oh successful dice! pick them up quickly before the opponent sees. Oh was that a failed dice? Not anymore!

If I'm rolling multiple rounds of rolls (3 sets of 20 instead of 60 dice at once for example) I tend to want to count the successes instead of picking up all the failures, then having to count the successes. Then again the people I play with I trust to play fair (theres only 1 person at my FLGS that I don't trust and I just avoid playing him) so I don't see an issue with picking up successes, especially when its a ton of dice rolls. Also its fairly obvious the difference between somebody trying to sneak in successes, such as they tend to immediately pick up the dice and hide what they are doing, instead just trying to get through rolls in a timely manner.

Is it because you play ork and need 5s and 6s?

I play CSM and hit on 3s so I have fewer fails.

For that situation, why not pick up the successes so the opponent can see and put them to the side. Hold the dice as you would pinch a coin not just the whole hand covering over it.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
My biggest problem is people who complain about how other people play with their toys or how they roll the die. Nothing worse then toxic people sucking the fun from a toy game.

Oh realy? How about I play you by rolling the dice side ways so it spins with a 6s on top and have them land a majority on 6s? How about I take my time placing my units with perfect 2" coherency. How about I hold my maelstrom cards and flick thru them like a mtg nervously does to distract you?

Would you still want to play me? Probably not.

Now imagine being in a tournament and you are forced to tolerate that.

Oh and the dice counting up?
Why dont you have enough dice? Dice is the cheapest part of the game! Are you really that broke? You can go to the dollar store and buy 8 dice for $1! Spend $10 now you have 80 dice!
If you cant afford to buy more dice then you cant afford this expensive game.

**dragoonmaster101**

War Kitten wrote:
My only other big annoyance is when my opponent's stop paying attention to the game. I get it, as Guard my movement phase can take a while depending on my force, but you can at least attempt to look interested.

How I remedy this when playing against horde armies is I ask to look at one of their models, be it a tank or monstrous creature, and I examine and talk about its fluff just to make sure they don't feel uncomfortable that they are taking a long time. This is just a nice thing to let new players thing without feeling rushed and to avoid my biggest pet peeve, the nervous 'so how was your day' question which really draws me out of the game knowing that they are worried about my attention span.

**master of ordinance**

Iron_Captain wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
Akar wrote:

Out of Game
5) Scratchbuild Proxies. Foamcore/Lego/Papercraft/etc. are fine for a few games or a month or two if it's something you plan on testing to see if it's something you want to invest in. This game is expensive, and if you're broke then I get why you'd want to try stuff out first. When I see that other purchases/additions to the army have been made, and you're still using the 'proxies', it's time to man up. It's borderline disrespectful to those of us that have taken the time/effort/$$ for you to still play, and even win, with stuff you have no intention of buying.
6) Forgeworld Proxies. Kind of on the same lines. If you don't have the Forgeworld model after a few games, aren't willing to support FW by purchasing their products, you shouldn't be allowed to use the rules. I know there are some VERY well built scratch builds out there, and everyone will draw the line differently. I just keep it simple and draw it at owning the actual product. Still, this is a minor irritation, as they might be practicing for an event that will allow stuff like this. For Casual games, keep it among your friends.

Eh now you see I dont use GW miniatures because I really do not like them.
For my Infantry I use Bolt Action British and German Infantry
For my tanks I use Bolt Action Churchills and Tigers/Panthers, converted 1:32 scale light tanks and a scratch built Thunder that was once a broken Rhino model.
For my flyers I plan to use some 1:56 scale stuff once I find it.
I do own an IG Shadowsword but I am scratch building my new Baneblade chassis to fit in with my army.

In addition to this I simply cannot afford to purchase GW/FW stuff. Not when I am paying £2+ for a single Guardsman. Not when a tank costs £38+. And most certainly not when I need 60+ Guardsmen and 10+ Battletanks.
Your comment does come off in a kind of elitist way, as though we peasants are not good enough for your rich boys game.

Why aren't you playing Bolt Action then
It has better rules, and seeing as that you already have the models...

BTW, there is nothing elitist about wanting to play 40k with 40k models. This is 40k after all, not Bolt Action. For some people, having the 20th Century Wehrmacht running around in their science fiction games breaks immersion.

I myself am fine with non-GW models (I use non-GW models for my IG infantry) as long as they fit the spirit of the 40k universe.

Oh how I would love too but mylocal scene could be best described as Kirby's dream

40K is the one game you can be assured will be played every night no matter what although some interest in none GW games does finally seem to be blooming in the form of a few Guildball players.
Besides, we have regiments whom are essentially ww1/ww2 forces so why not make the most of it

**DarkBlack**

Kavish wrote:
Cheesy armies made of bad proxies.

This, very much.

**Pouncey**

Oh, I have another minor annoyance, but most people probably won't be able to relate to it.

I play exclusively at home, against my mom. We have a cat and a dog as pets, and our dedicated gaming room is a small bedroom which barely has room for a 6x4 table with a couple of feet of space on three sides, with the fourth side being a short end right up against a wall.

Every single time we go in there to play some WH40k, the cat and dog invariably come to the door of the room and whimper or meow to be let in. And my mom invariably lets them. The cat then proceeds to jump up onto the board and sniff around, which my mom finds adorable. The dog, on the other hand, snuffles around for a bit then lies down. He's big enough that it's hard to step past him, and whenever I have to, he gets antsy that I might accidentally step on him due to my foot coming down within six inches of him, and he barks at me.

So, yeah, that's a big part of why I haven't done too much gaming, even before my 40k stuff was almost all packed away in boxes while we try to sell our house.

**KharnsRightHand**

I encountered the "count up wounds" for the first time yesterday. Confused the hell out of me when I saw a Dreadknight that my partner had dealt a few wounds to have a 3 on it next turn. And then later when I focused everything I had on one with a 1 on it, thinking I was about to finish it off, when nope, now it has a 2...

**jreilly89**

KharnsRightHand wrote:
I encountered the "count up wounds" for the first time yesterday. Confused the hell out of me when I saw a Dreadknight that my partner had dealt a few wounds to have a 3 on it next turn. And then later when I focused everything I had on one with a 1 on it, thinking I was about to finish it off, when nope, now it has a 2...

Yeah, I never understood counting up wounds. OT, another thing that bugs me is people who don't have an Off switch. I have a couple of friends who always bring their best lists, even in casual games. Recently I played a buddy and brought a pretty casual Ork army and he drops out a Decurion list.