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I tell you what though, Question Time was very interesting. Just caught up on it and lots of interesting points to listen to.

 SirDonlad wrote:
Britain regains right to view Americans as 'stupid' again...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3661016/Sarah-Palin-congratulates-UK-European-Union-Brexit-urges-U-S-follow-suit-abandon-UN.html

Sarah Palin congratulates the UK on Brexit and urges the U.S. to 'follow suit' and abandon the UN

Sooo much facepalm....

Palin's a non-event. An irrelevant fart in the political hurricane.
And yes, please feel free to view Americans as 'stupid' again, particularly Palin and her ilk, we do it all the time.

My respect for G.O is increasing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36637732

Dude avoided the political backstabbing, and got on with the work. Seemingly the only English politician to do so.

 Selym wrote:
My respect for G.O is increasing:

Not a sentence you hear very often/ever!

It's good that he didn't flounce off like Cameron, but his position is untenable. He must/will step down when DC leaves in Oct.

 Selym wrote:
My respect for G.O is increasing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36637732

Dude avoided the political backstabbing, and got on with the work. Seemingly the only English politician to do so.

He's probably had no choice. All his budget work would have been out the window and he and a lot of civil servants I guess will have been putting in a whole weekend to work out whether the Country can get through the next 6 months before the autumn statement without something collapsing terribly (or what he needs to do to avoid this). In particular the volatility of the £ and inflation would have been a big concern. With such a big drop and all oil being done in $ then fuel prices have jumped overnight which will have knock on effects on food, clothes, airline costs etc. This in turn could result in a significant short term jump in inflation - i.e. the value of everyone's income drops which could then result in less sales and a downturn in the economy. To try and stem this I'd expect an interest rise shortly to help stabilise the £ more the risk being is could affect peoples mortgages and savings which means again that sales of goods could drop. The question is where the balance is to ensure the country does not go into free fall.

His only real mistake was not coming out on Friday and saying he wasn't going anywhere because the vacuum of DC saying "I'm off" didn't help anyone.

George Osbourne appears.

The sent of blood must be in the water, cos the Sharks are out.

I wouldn't under estimate George's desire for the top job.

I was expecting a leave vote, but I wasn't expecting such a disorganised cluster-feth.

The only reason I'm not too upset about the whole thing is the possibility we (Scotland) might be able to retain the EU and some sanity.

Is it time to dig the Commonwealth back up?
It even has 'Wealth' in the name, and we need all the reliable trading partners we can get.
Is this why the Queen has hung onto the throne for so long, knowing Brexit was coming?
The royal family might be a bit asset in the near future.

I voted to Remain and I know that it could look like it makes my opinion bias but I do feel that a 60% pass should of been implemented. I felt that with the Scotland vote and this one. The system at the moment does make it harder for the loser to accept the outcome.

You could even argue that a tier / rounds system needs to be set up. After the first round you'd get an idea of what the general felling is. It would hopefully make those who didn't vote sit up and pay attention, they would see that they would need to make an effort if they wanted their side to win.

When you hear a Leave voter say he voted to leave the EU to stop all the "muslin's coming over here" it does feel with you despair. I can understand some of the concerns of the Leavers with regard to how the EU works (even as a Remainer I still had concerns), but this guy summed up what the Remain camp was having to fight against.

..here we go then...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-rbs-halts-trading-eu-referendum-brexit-ftse-100-stock-market-a7105196.html

Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.

....Barclays was trading at 138.95p, down 9.76 per cent, while RBS was trading at 178.14p, down 13.30 per cent in mid-morning trade.

Lloyds was down 8.91 per cent at 51.88p, after falling more than 20 per cent on Monday.

RBS shares have lost £10 billion in their market value since Thursday, or more than the net contribution of the UK to the EU in 2015, which was estimated to be about £8.5 billion. The net contribution is the difference between what the UK paid to the EU and what it got back in spending in the UK.

Boo hoo poor bankers.
They will get over it. And so will everyone else.

Bankers do what they always do in a crisis: Give themselves a bonus, and tell the Govt to tax us more

Any predictions on how long this Westminster balls-up will last? Rn the average person has no idea what's going on.

 reds8n wrote:
..here we go then...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-rbs-halts-trading-eu-referendum-brexit-ftse-100-stock-market-a7105196.html

Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.

....Barclays was trading at 138.95p, down 9.76 per cent, while RBS was trading at 178.14p, down 13.30 per cent in mid-morning trade.

Lloyds was down 8.91 per cent at 51.88p, after falling more than 20 per cent on Monday.

RBS shares have lost £10 billion in their market value since Thursday, or more than the net contribution of the UK to the EU in 2015, which was estimated to be about £8.5 billion. The net contribution is the difference between what the UK paid to the EU and what it got back in spending in the UK.

And all of that was down to their own misguided efforts to hedge (i.e. bet on) the result over the actual effect of the result itself.

I spoke a cabby this morning an we were both having a laugh at them. Apparently Canary Wharf was lit up like a Christmas Tree at 4AM on Friday as every single Cab and Uber available was ferrying in the dill weed to try to stem the flow on the cluster feth they had created.

This was brought home on the train as I was talking to two bankers that couldn't tell the difference between the EU and the Common Market.

Skullhammer wrote:
Boo hoo poor bankers.
They will get over it. And so will everyone else.

Its not as simple as that. The Bankers make their money from moving money around (buy low, sell high). Obviously its a lot more complicated than that. However it can be your money they are moving around and whose value is changing, people invest money into the shares so that over the long term you can use that money to have a nice retirement, buy a house, have a wedding etc.

If you have say a pension scheme (say the Local Authority Government one) that invested wholly in Barclays shares the value of your pension has just dropped by 10% in an instant. If the local Authorities cannot recoup this then that means a cut in your pension later or larger contributions. If you have an ISA that the bank invested for you the return on that has just dropped 10% which will mean less interest return. If you have a mortgage the value of that has now dropped, which means those that underwrote your mortgage will need to increase their interest rates to recover this loss. These things are not isolated they have real world implications. In fact it is the Bankers that can make the most of this if they guessed right - if they sold there shares the night before the election and now wait until the main furore settles down they can then rebuy more of the same shares at a lower price and they are in fact a greater owner of that asset then. Once values recover resell them and you've made a fortune.

The Racist Rampage continues:;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

 Selym wrote:
The Racist Rampage continues:;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

No brains those scum who do this need "sorting" out.

National - Action .info is a real website. Here's a quote from them:

National Action wrote:What is a National Socialist and how did you become one?

A National Socialist is someone who fights for the survival of their people against corruption. I’ve always been a traditionalist at heart but it took my other half a while to redpill me. I didn’t want to believe that the Jews are the enemy as I was brought up to believe that they are very similar to Christians. Eventually the Jewish propaganda became too obvious to ignore and so I became involved with NA.

Nutjobs the lot of them.

 Selym wrote:
My respect for G.O is increasing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36637732

Dude avoided the political backstabbing, and got on with the work. Seemingly the only English politician to do so.

That's because he's desperate to survive in cabinet now. May stayed quiet, and Cameron is leaving. He's at such a disadvantage that doing absolutely anything else will see him accompanying Cameron. He has until October to convince the Tory party he's worth keeping on.

Make no mistake, he's fighting for his political life right now.

Cornwall having voted 182,665 for Leave and 140,540 for Remain, wants the government to replace the £400 million of EU grants it will lose over the next few years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-36616955

In more positive news, I was clearing out some old papers yesterday and found 40 Euros in notes.

Man , at this rate we'll have a referendum to prove that the 1st referendum didn't even happen.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-350-million-a-week-extra-for-the-nhs-only-an-aspiration-says-vote-leave-campaigner-chris-a7105246.html

Chris Grayling, the Tory Cabinet member and prominent Brexit campaigner, has said the idea of spending £350 million a week on the NHS instead of the EU was only “an aspiration” – despite the slogan being written in massive letters on the side of the Vote Leave battle bus.

Mr Grayling’s remarks to ITV’s Good Morning Britain came despite the Leave Campaign spending weeks touring the country in a bus emblazoned with the slogan: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave.”

This is getting ridiculous.

Are any of the "leave" campaign leaders actually going to stick to the pledges they made to those who voted for them ?

 Selym wrote:
The Racist Rampage continues:;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

There were idiots last week the same as this week.

Please don't try to contrive that there is some sort of new awakening of such nonsense in the UK. They're just shouting a bit louder this week and like last week people will ignore them and carry on.

Of course, if it now being on facebook makes it more "real" for you then so be it.

Yeah, they're just a bit louder than usual.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon.

They don’t want false hopes or complications beyond the ones already visited on the country.

Oliver Letwin is overseeing the “scoping” exercise on what is and isn’t possible in a negotiation. The idea of Michael Gove being lead negotiator dates back to when, a touch unrealistically, he and others on the Leave side thought they could persuade David Cameron to stay put for longer.

Boris Johnson just emerged from Downing Street to state again his support for a points based immigration system combined somehow with access to the single market.

One Tory MP said it was more of Boris Johnson’s cake policy, “pro having it and pro eating it” and he would have to “sort himself out.”

Bit of luck we can finally put this bit of ridiculousness behind us and move on.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Cornwall having voted 182,665 for Leave and 140,540 for Remain, wants the government to replace the £400 million of EU grants it will lose over the next few years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-36616955

In more positive news, I was clearing out some old papers yesterday and found 40 Euros in notes.

That's, what, £40,000 nowadays? Nice one!

So, I thought that Brexit was a bad idea before the vote.

Now I think it's an absolutely terrible idea. So, yeah, I guess my opinion is more unfavourable

Bojo though intelligent and well-educated is a bit of a fething clown. I honestly don't believe he had thought through the implications of a Leave vote.

He appeals to people like my mum who sees him as a kind of loveable mop-top cheery chappie, but that's not going to cut it if you want to be head of government of a nuclear power in negotiation with the world's biggest trade blocks.

 notprop wrote:

There were idiots last week the same as this week.

Please don't try to contrive that there is some sort of new awakening of such nonsense in the UK. They're just shouting a bit louder this week and like last week people will ignore them and carry on.

Of course, if it now being on facebook makes it more "real" for you then so be it.

They have become more vocal, and if they are to be stopped the condemnation of them needs to be more vocal. If we do nothing they will gain ground.

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 Steve steveson wrote:


They have become more vocal, and if they are to be stopped the condemnation of them needs to be more vocal. If we do nothing they will gain ground.

And they have become more vocal because we as a populace have now given them a voice. They are buoyed by the anti-immigration message that dominated the news and that more people 'secretly' believe in their view. It's not just the extremists either in these groups the general populace has become more vocal there's mounting interviews with ordinary people stating "they don't want muslims" etc (which is deplorable). This is not going to be a short term issue - it's going to be years before we even get a handle on it and even then when challenged you are just going to get the response "well the majority agree with us just look at the referendum vote". The cat is truly out the bag on this one.

As for the second referendum that's not really a surprise and I signed it but it's not really what I want. What I want is a government to act the part on work together for the betterment of the Country as whole. I do not expect them to issue referendums on subjects that the vast majority of the public don't understand how it works, don't understand the implications and can be easily swayed by populist voices that are in the end talking absolute garbage. I do not need them to defer every difficult decision to the public - it is not what I voted for them to do. How any one could say what they understood what they voted for is beyond me - part of my job in Waste is to understand and manage EU and UK legislation. I understand a tiny part of the total legislation and itself the Waste regulations are complicated (but are good for the environment). I have no knowledge on any other aspect of the EU legislation apart from generic information on how it works but right now we have 50m people that were assumed to be experts on it all. It is absolutely ridiculous to expect me or anyone else to vote on this because they simply don't know!

Whirlwind wrote:
I have no knowledge on any other aspect of the EU legislation apart from generic information on how it works but right now we have 50m people that were assumed to be experts on it all. It is absolutely ridiculous to expect me or anyone else to vote on this because they simply don't know!

I do think the EU has done a poor job of marketing itself and helping people understand it over the last decade or so, I wouldn't place the blame solely on a poor Remain campaign.

Looking at those posters is a bit sickening.