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Az, I mostly agree with your assessment, though I'd reverse LP (using a lot of existing stuff with little content) vs. assassassinnorium, which put out a few models and a bunch of tiles.
Re: the model size, I don't really care about the specifics of proportional size- at $30/ea, I think they're horribly overpriced as I generally expect resin or a larger model or a small game expansion for that; at $15/ea, I'd be buying a lot of GW heroes instead of just recycling my ancient models and being tempted but turned off y the tag; at $15/ea for a bundle, I don't like them enough to want the set and don't feel like it's a deal compared to playing a bunch of games (GW or otherwise)
My beef was pretty much just in reply to you suggesting that 64mm+ is a "normal" size for Ogres and their peers - when it's never been so for GW or their followers. I think we probably agree on most of the rest.
LP is a lazy game, and it recycles assets - absolutely. But I feel that it's sold as a game rather than a model collecting set. Because let's face it - neither the old scouts or old stealers are particularly exciting or sought after in terms of bundling cool stuff together. It's like the poor, sickly cousin of DW:O.
That has got to be one of the most dramatic explanations of board game rules I've ever seen Still could be fun, and if nothing else its four Khorne hero's at a decent price that can also be used in AoS and Sliver tower. I wonder if this will be a one off Khorne only game or will other forces get something similar? The other chaos powers would fit an arena game pretty well, as would the destruction factions. Even Stormcast IIRC have training arenas where they fight each other.
GoatboyBeta wrote: That has got to be one of the most dramatic explanations of board game rules I've ever seen Still could be fun, and if nothing else its four Khorne hero's at a decent price that can also be used in AoS and Sliver tower. I wonder if this will be a one off Khorne only game or will other forces get something similar? The other chaos powers would fit an arena game pretty well, as would the destruction factions. Even Stormcast IIRC have training arenas where they fight each other.
I believe the White Dwarf added a new hero to Gorechosen, not sure who though.
Edit: The Slaughterpriest that actually came with the WD edition, huh not bad.
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When this was announced (which was bloody months ago!) my attitude was a solid "meh" but now after being shown more of how it works (and getting a free extra hero.) I'm really thinking this is going to be a great little fun game. I'm now wondering what kind of awesome arenas i can build.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like that rule set up. I also think the way wounds are tracked is quite good.
It's just that arena is so damned tiny...
I'm guessing at this price point printed materials were at a bit of a premium.
Hell, it seems they've included rules, but not cards, for three more heroes. I'm guessing the arena is as big as they could cram into a standard board game sized box (30cm outer width by the looks of it) without having to print more than one board.
I'm guessing it's not exactly going to be a heavy, cloth-backed game board either
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like that rule set up. I also think the way wounds are tracked is quite good.
It's just that arena is so damned tiny...
I'm guessing at this price point printed materials were at a bit of a premium.
Hell, it seems they've included rules, but not cards, for three more heroes. I'm guessing the arena is as big as they could cram into a standard board game sized box (30cm outer width by the looks of it) without having to print more than one board.
I'm guessing it's not exactly going to be a heavy, cloth-backed game board either
Looks to be a solid card one, no folds that i can see, i imagine it fits on top of all the box contents and it was either have it that size or have it 4x the size and spend 90% of the game moving around.
It is hex based however, so if you picked up something like the magic the gathering board game or the old heroscape tiles you could probably make a very bad ass large arena with proper obstacles and homebrewed perils.
... Oh hey more preview pics up on the webstore page now. Plastic box insert looks like it might actually be pretty well-suited to storing the included four models w without damage to either model or paint job (assuming decent varnish and moderately careful treatment of box ) keep all cards in one pile and throw in some spare bits of foam and you could likely keep another two in there. Quite convenient.
(Maybe I will have to eat crow on previous guesses and it'll turn out they *have* fine for good quality components all round)
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like that rule set up. I also think the way wounds are tracked is quite good.
It's just that arena is so damned tiny...
I'm guessing at this price point printed materials were at a bit of a premium.
Hell, it seems they've included rules, but not cards, for three more heroes. I'm guessing the arena is as big as they could cram into a standard board game sized box (30cm outer width by the looks of it) without having to print more than one board.
I'm guessing it's not exactly going to be a heavy, cloth-backed game board either
Looks to be a solid card one, no folds that i can see, i imagine it fits on top of all the box contents and it was either have it that size or have it 4x the size and spend 90% of the game moving around.
It is hex based however, so if you picked up something like the magic the gathering board game or the old heroscape tiles you could probably make a very bad ass large arena with proper obstacles and homebrewed perils.
Aren't heroscape tiles a bit small for 40mm bases? I thought that stuff was 32mm ish hex-based.
Ha! I would still prefer an arena four times the size of that one. It does look fun so I may just look for the non miniature components on a popular auction site as I have most of the models already.
I am so confused what is pre-order what is release. Too many web sites "release this week" but are actually pre-orders and not releases.
I have lost track what is what now lol.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Still could be fun, and if nothing else its four Khorne hero's at a decent price that can also be used in 
Legion: Dark Angels 
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
...it's good to be green! 
