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2016/12/22 16:54:22
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
By the printed rules I think it has to be Sigismund. His lore is pretty great, too - arguably the best combatant in the legions and the chosen sword of his primarch and the Emperor.
Madness is however an affliction which in war carries with it the advantage of surprise - Winston Churchill
2016/12/22 22:27:52
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Saber wrote: By the printed rules I think it has to be Sigismund. His lore is pretty great, too - arguably the best combatant in the legions and the chosen sword of his primarch and the Emperor.
He got his ass wupped by sevetar and Abbadon, he disobeyed his Primarch and was excommunicated. I wouldn't say so
2016/12/22 22:33:44
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Name another Astarte who has served loyalty for more than 10 000 years.
Kharn the Betrayer.
heh, you never said they had to serve the corpse-emperor.
Let's look at the idea you're saying Kharn the BETRAYER served loyally. Slight clue in the name.
Sanity is for the weak.
Besides, he's called that for attacking his legion, not for betraying a particular person, so I can still say he served loyally.
If you allow yourself to be killed and ingested, your soul is forfeited.
2016/12/22 23:03:36
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Name another Astarte who has served loyalty for more than 10 000 years.
Kharn the Betrayer.
heh, you never said they had to serve the corpse-emperor.
Let's look at the idea you're saying Kharn the BETRAYER served loyally. Slight clue in the name.
Sanity is for the weak.
Besides, he's called that for attacking his legion, not for betraying a particular person, so I can still say he served loyally.
Not really seeing as he betrayed people at least twice.
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2016/12/22 23:12:53
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Saber wrote: By the printed rules I think it has to be Sigismund. His lore is pretty great, too - arguably the best combatant in the legions and the chosen sword of his primarch and the Emperor.
He got his ass wupped by sevetar and Abbadon, he disobeyed his Primarch and was excommunicated. I wouldn't say so
Not by the printed rules even? If you're not an eternal warrior Sigismund kills you in one round almost every time.
(Also, as I recall Sevetar hardly 'whupped' him - the Night Lord broke the rules of the duel and lost.)
Madness is however an affliction which in war carries with it the advantage of surprise - Winston Churchill
2016/12/22 23:46:13
Subject: Re:Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Sevatar did indeed win by breaking the rules, In an actual fight to the death there wouldn't be rules so using it as an example of how Sevatar is a better fighter than Sigismund doesn't work. As for being beaten by Abaddon, we don't know the circumstances of that fight (or even if it was one on one). Considering Abaddon is the most dangerous Space Marine, traitor or loyalist, in 40K it's not much of a mark against Sigismund regardless.
2016/12/22 23:51:18
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Saber wrote: By the printed rules I think it has to be Sigismund. His lore is pretty great, too - arguably the best combatant in the legions and the chosen sword of his primarch and the Emperor.
He got his ass wupped by sevetar and Abbadon, he disobeyed his Primarch and was excommunicated. I wouldn't say so
Not by the printed rules even? If you're not an eternal warrior Sigismund kills you in one round almost every time.
(Also, as I recall Sevetar hardly 'whupped' him - the Night Lord broke the rules of the duel and lost.)
And when he fought Abaddon, he was over a thousand years old while Abby had his Daemon sword and chaos marks. I would Agree that Sigismund is, along with Loken, probably the best loyal marine of 30k.
Personally, I don't see the hype about Bjorn. He was left behind by russ, got his arse kicked by a daemon, and almost never goes out to fight anymore, so the odds of him living 10,000 years are obviously much better than anyone else.
@pm, who was the 2nd betrayal? The emperor is the obvious one, but it can still be disputed. I don't know of a 2nd person he betrayed.
If you allow yourself to be killed and ingested, your soul is forfeited.
2016/12/29 01:15:30
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
While he isnt as well renowned or as powerful in lore and also now no longer playable, justicar Anvril Thawn has won me the most number of gamed back in 5th 6th edition as a single infantry model anyway.
Having the ability to resurrect was an amazing trait the likes of st. Celestine or comissar yarric
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2017/01/08 03:11:37
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Name another Astarte who has served loyalty for more than 10 000 years.
Kharn the Betrayer.
heh, you never said they had to serve the corpse-emperor.
Let's look at the idea you're saying Kharn the BETRAYER served loyally. Slight clue in the name.
Sanity is for the weak.
Besides, he's called that for attacking his legion, not for betraying a particular person, so I can still say he served loyally.
Easy answer to this quarrel: He serves Khorne VERY loyally by taking skulls for the throne and spilling the blood of the masses!
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2017/01/08 03:21:06
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
I'd like to see the Astartes past or present that could beat Dante 1v1 if he where to give in to the black rage.
Come to think of it, "greatest astartes" in terms of personal achievements could actually go to Mephisto. The guy is the only one to defeat the black rage where 10.000 years of Marines have all been trying and failed. Not huge of an galactic impact but in personal restraint no one has litteraly ever done it before.
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His pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain's career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary.
2017/01/08 12:39:52
Subject: Re:Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Loving all the love for Loken, but then I really like him as a character. Heresy era it would he him, Garro and Saul Tarvitz, and possible old Iacton too because they seemed to have the furthest to come in terms of their personal journeys within the storyline.
Beyond that its much harder to tell. I get the love for Bjorn, Dante and even Mephiston, but can't really mae up my mind about any of them.
For me the greatest astarte would be the one who, even being a post human (have I got that right) finds and cleaves onto that inner bit of humanity within them. Its not all about martial prowess for me, because there will have been a million astartes on a billion battles who feats would match those that have been indicated in this thread. Dunno, soz, rambling.... :-)
2017/01/08 13:04:11
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Not much love for Castellan Garran Crowe. Psyker, duelist supreme, super pure, hold a daemon blade but refuses to tap into its power, Being a Grey Knight he is extra Mary Sue (thanks Ward), and if you go by the game rules he has rerollable saves and smash in a duel, hammerhand, and cleansing flames.
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2017/01/10 12:48:05
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
I saw someone posted about it being cypher as he is over 10k years old but he isnt as the name cypher is just a rank essentially the current cypher is actually the youngest there has ever been.
I honestly think kharn is the best he can pretty single handedly wreck most of the imperium has been alive since 30k and his greatest achievement he calmed down an enraged Angron who was known not for his passive reasonable nature but for tearing anyone in front of him apart. Also i think he would have a sweet accent
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2017/01/11 00:30:43
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Nerak wrote: I'd like to see the Astartes past or present that could beat Dante 1v1 if he where to give in to the black rage.
Come to think of it, "greatest astartes" in terms of personal achievements could actually go to Mephisto. The guy is the only one to defeat the black rage where 10.000 years of Marines have all been trying and failed. Not huge of an galactic impact but in personal restraint no one has litteraly ever done it before.
There isn't much fluff or tabletop to back him up, but Wolf Lord Bran Redmaw of the Space Mutts might be a contender to beat Black Rage Dante.
Bran's company is rumoured to be pretty heavily touched by the curse of the Wulfen. Information on his methods is sketchy at best but the consistent detail is his company's enemies were usually torn to pieces. Bran himself is believed to control his own curse - able to unleash and supress it.
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2017/01/11 01:05:10
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
Put me down for overall greatest one all things considered to be Abbadon. He is THE guy for chaos space marines. His leadership, combat ability and actual achievements dwarf that of any other astartes. Yeah there are other super great warriors and leader, but none can claim to have almost half of the setting revolving around them and their mission.
2017/07/25 12:54:06
Subject: Greatest astarte in the history of the Imperium
: 6500
2000(GK allies -Sons of Opet)
5500 
7000+ Points Death Skullz
4000 Points
+ 
3000 Points "Bard's Booze Cruise" 
