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2017/05/14 19:37:45
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Female Marines would be essentially the same as male marines, just with slightly different heads.
Female Guardsmen would be much the same, with perhaps some different fanciness on lady commissars and the like.
What?! No. Female miniatures are impossible to differentiate at this scale without boob-armour or bikinis! We are playing 28mm, not 54mm! Have you tried to see the faces of the Catachans models and see if they are actually male? Omg, they are totally indistingible. Is almost EPIC scale!
/S
Or a massive Y in the middle of their foreheads.
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2017/05/14 19:43:14
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Female Marines would be essentially the same as male marines, just with slightly different heads.
Female Guardsmen would be much the same, with perhaps some different fanciness on lady commissars and the like.
What?! No. Female miniatures are impossible to differentiate at this scale without boob-armour or bikinis! We are playing 28mm, not 54mm! Have you tried to see the faces of the Catachans models and see if they are actually male? Omg, they are totally indistingible. Is almost EPIC scale!
/S
Or a massive Y in the middle of their foreheads.
Sorry I prefer my female aliens with giant ovopositors in their belly.
That way nobody has any doubt about their sex
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/14 19:45:56
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Due to the armor space marines wear you can call them male or female, you just never know, unless you want female space marines with boob armor, which is not very effective, nor accurate.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/05/14 19:47:17
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Asterios wrote: Due to the armor space marines wear you can call them male or female, you just never know, unless you want female space marines with boob armor, which is not very effective, nor accurate.
Sir, you have iluminated me. I never tought that Brother Afrax of the 3th Company was actually our sister Afraxity! A shame she had a malfuctioning geneseed that give her facial air and baldness.
Spoiler:
I will say again that I don't want female space marines, but all of this "reasonings" people bring to the table to me are super absurd
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/14 19:54:56
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Asterios wrote: Due to the armor space marines wear you can call them male or female, you just never know, unless you want female space marines with boob armor, which is not very effective, nor accurate.
Sir, you have iluminated me. I never tought that Brother Afrax of the 3th Company was actually our sister Afraxity! A shame she had a malfuctioning geneseed that give her facial air and baldness.
Spoiler:
I will say again that I don't want female space marines, but all of this "reasonings" people bring to the table to me are super absurd
Simple put a female head on the mini, or keep the helmet on, now can you pick out the female mini with a bunch of space marines with helmets on ?
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/05/14 19:58:57
Subject: Re:Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
I take it you didn't look that close, you only saw the almost tasteful PG 13 stuff. The other half don't even get that much clothing. Of particular interest was the chaos terminator who just has her tits out and no chest armor. Also the naked female greater demon of nurgle who I expect will end up in my nightmares at some point.
Given that the game is a ripoff of an old 40k board game (with literally the same name) I think they were going for cliche parody. Or at least that was the excuse.
OT; does anyone know of the new sisters of silence stuff has been doing well?
I actually don't mind the "demon" sculpts to much. The female GUO is I assume intended to be grotesque(and I've unfortunately seen plenty of guys that are close to that body shape) and as "demons" who only have armour for show anyway( remember out of all GW demonic "troops" only the Daemonettes are wearing clothes ) the other three are not too bad.
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2017/05/14 20:04:55
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Asterios wrote: ]Simple put a female head on the mini, or keep the helmet on, now can you pick out the female mini with a bunch of space marines with helmets on ?
I agree with that. If the day comes where GW want to make female space marines, thats how I think they should do it. Just put some female heads in the sprues and call it a day. I was just having a little fun about the concept that space marines are totally indistinguible, specially the chapters that normally don't wear helmets.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/14 20:05:05
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
For it to make marketing sense, it needs to make money. It doesn't have to be purchased by every (or even half) of all players. But if a full QUARTER of all GW players made that purchase, honey, that would probably outsell most Space Marine kits.
There aren't enough votes for this to adequately represent the population. You might only be getting votes from people who already play space marines.
also I suspect a lot of people ignored this thread. "female space marines" tend to be seen as a troll post by a lot of people
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2017/05/14 20:05:47
Subject: Re:Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Really what we want and what would solve the problem is plastic SoB with cheaper prices and better rules support that doesn't kick the player in the teeth.
GW can possibly make female SM, but with the SW as the chapter they are in. Someone said Valkyrie's. That would be fitting and thematically cool.
For it to make marketing sense, it needs to make money. It doesn't have to be purchased by every (or even half) of all players. But if a full QUARTER of all GW players made that purchase, honey, that would probably outsell most Space Marine kits.
There aren't enough votes for this to adequately represent the population. You might only be getting votes from people who already play space marines.
also I suspect a lot of people ignored this thread. "female space marines" tend to be seen as a troll post by a lot of people
You can also say those whom say no are to low a total as well to get the overall 40k crowd. This whole poll is really meaningless and somewhat just troll posty.
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2017/05/14 20:09:37
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
BrianDavion wrote: also I suspect a lot of people ignored this thread. "female space marines" tend to be seen as a troll post by a lot of people
For good reason - the topic has been done to death, and nobody on either side of the argument will budge on it.
As much as the OP wants this conversation to steer away from all the lore points about female Marines, it can very well be responsible for the poll results. Being a lore fanatic myself, and a secret SoB lover, I know that personally I wouldn't want to buy any, but not everyone cares about that aspect of the hobby.
I doubt the poll would ever be very useful no matter how many people vote on it; as said before, a majority doesn't have to be reached for the idea to be marketable, not that a majority on that side would ever be reached anyway.
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2017/05/14 20:13:43
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
BrianDavion wrote: also I suspect a lot of people ignored this thread. "female space marines" tend to be seen as a troll post by a lot of people
For good reason - the topic has been done to death, and nobody on either side of the argument will budge on it.
As much as the OP wants this conversation to steer away from all the lore points about female Marines, it can very well be responsible for the poll results. Being a lore fanatic myself, and a secret SoB lover, I know that personally I wouldn't want to buy any, but not everyone cares about that aspect of the hobby.
I doubt the poll would ever be very useful no matter how many people vote on it; as said before, a majority doesn't have to be reached for the idea to be marketable, not that a majority on that side would ever be reached anyway.
I can't get behind female Space Marines, but on the other hand I could get behind female Imperial Guard.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/05/14 20:14:35
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Otto von Bludd wrote: No it does not make marketing sense. You would be alienating those customers who prefer Space Marines to remain exclusively male in order to gain who exactly? In a market that is saturated with politically correct male/female armies GW offers something that is increasingly rare. It makes no marketing sense to dilute the theme of their most popular product for no reason.
Honestly, we don't need players who whine about armies with gender diversity being "politically correct".
We also don't need players who whine incessantly about getting gender diversity in the Astartes because an all-male warrior coven hurts their fee-fees.
I don't give a single flying about female space marines. The only thing I care about here is this "OMG gender diversity is destroying society" bs that OvB was spouting. Are you really going to defend the person that was talking about GW being the last bastion of homogenity, away from those evil evil women?
Traditio wrote:
Verviedi wrote:Honestly, we don't need players who whine about armies with gender diversity being "politically correct".
Several thoughts:
1. Are you really suggesting that people should be excluded from the game based on their political beliefs?
I believe they should be able to exclude themselves, if they disagree with the choices that the game developers make.
2. Are you really suggesting that people should be excluded from the game based on vocalizing opinions that you disagree with?
If they're spouting racist bull, I fully agree with minority gamers who refuse to play them. If they're spouting sexism, women have the full right to refuse to play against them. In all cases, if you're in favor of discrimation, expect to be viewed unfavorably by those you would discriminate against. If you're talking about how 40k is an affront to Jesus, and LGBT people should be set on fire, I would exercise my right to refuse to play against you, and encourage others to not do so as well.
3. And to be fair, even if you don't agree with the political sentiment, it would be a perfectly reasonable economic complaint to make if GW decided to "cave in" to the demands of so-called "political correctness" despite the actual wishes of its consumer base, if, in fact, the consumer base were demanding otherwise.
GW does as GW chooses. If the customer base dislikes it, so be it. If they make tons of money and bigots decide to exercise their right to quit the hobby because they don't want to share with those "nasty women", so be it.
Really, Verviedi, as stated, what you said is 1. unduly offensive/hostile/insulting to people with political opinions that you may not share and 2. is ultimately irrelevant to the topic of the thread.
Save the politics for the off-topic forum, yes?
OvB said something I believe to be false, I am addressing this. All of this relates to female space marines AND people leaving the game for some reason if female space marines are added to the lore.
OT politics are a dandelion pie(text changed, don't bypass the profanity filter! - Lorek) , I exercise my right to not participate in them. Because what OvB said was political, I am responding to it, because frankly it's nonsense.
Note. I do not care about female space marines in the slightest. What I do care about is ensuring that people who spout about "political correctness" making it so they cannot dismiss entire demographics (READ HIS POST) are addressed.
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2017/05/14 20:14:43
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
I admit, I wouldn't buy them simply because I actually like the SoB lore and am annoyed by them being written off. Not to mention that we've never gotten a female IG/AM range for literally no reason.
2017/05/14 20:15:28
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
BrianDavion wrote: also I suspect a lot of people ignored this thread. "female space marines" tend to be seen as a troll post by a lot of people
For good reason - the topic has been done to death, and nobody on either side of the argument will budge on it.
As much as the OP wants this conversation to steer away from all the lore points about female Marines, it can very well be responsible for the poll results. Being a lore fanatic myself, and a secret SoB lover, I know that personally I wouldn't want to buy any, but not everyone cares about that aspect of the hobby.
I doubt the poll would ever be very useful no matter how many people vote on it; as said before, a majority doesn't have to be reached for the idea to be marketable, not that a majority on that side would ever be reached anyway.
I can't get behind female Space Marines, but on the other hand I could get behind female Imperial Guard.
Female Imperial Guard has ben part of the fluff for decades.
And I'm gonna add that at least to me, this image is one of the ones that better reflects the "feeling" of the universe of 40k, at least to me.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/14 20:17:05
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
BrianDavion wrote: also I suspect a lot of people ignored this thread. "female space marines" tend to be seen as a troll post by a lot of people
For good reason - the topic has been done to death, and nobody on either side of the argument will budge on it.
As much as the OP wants this conversation to steer away from all the lore points about female Marines, it can very well be responsible for the poll results. Being a lore fanatic myself, and a secret SoB lover, I know that personally I wouldn't want to buy any, but not everyone cares about that aspect of the hobby.
I doubt the poll would ever be very useful no matter how many people vote on it; as said before, a majority doesn't have to be reached for the idea to be marketable, not that a majority on that side would ever be reached anyway.
I can't get behind female Space Marines, but on the other hand I could get behind female Imperial Guard.
Female Imperial Guard has ben part of the fluff for decades.
yes it has, just not model wise.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/05/14 20:24:47
Subject: Re:Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
I see it as a game and like most MMOs my characters are female.... I'd play female space marines. I don't know why, not even for sexual fantasy reasons. Maybe I just like the idea...
2017/05/14 20:25:29
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Plastic sisters first. Then do whatever you want, I couldn't possibly care less if another space marine anything comes out ever (chaos or loyalist) so long as they do plastic sisters first.
2017/05/14 20:27:22
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
I don't give a single flying about female space marines. The only thing I care about here is this "OMG gender diversity is destroying society" bs that OvB was spouting. Are you really going to defend the person that was talking about GW being the last bastion of homogenity, away from those evil evil women?
Half this post, which I'm not quoting in full because it's borderline hysterics, is just unsubstantiated personal attacks. He never said women were evil, or shouldn't play warhammer, or that he hated them. He said he didn't like the current trend of changing things to be more politically correct, doesn't want it applied to space marines.
You need to chill.
2017/05/14 20:40:14
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Asterios wrote:I can't get behind female Space Marines, but on the other hand I could get behind female Imperial Guard.
As can I; I was tempted to get some female Arcadians for my Guard army, but I worried about the clash between the look of their armour and gear next to my regular Cadians. I'd lap up some official female Cadians right away if GW gets round to making them.
Verviedi wrote: I don't give a single flying about female space marines. The only thing I care about here is this "OMG gender diversity is destroying society" bs that OvB was spouting. Are you really going to defend the person that was talking about GW being the last bastion of homogenity, away from those evil evil women?
Are we reading the same post, V? To me it sounded more like GW not caring about political correctness (as they should be, it's a damn hobby, not a moral commitment) rather than "gender diversity is destroying society"
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2017/05/14 20:41:31
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
General Annoyance wrote:As much as the OP wants this conversation to steer away from all the lore points about female Marines, it can very well be responsible for the poll results. Being a lore fanatic myself, and a secret SoB lover, I know that personally I wouldn't want to buy any, but not everyone cares about that aspect of the hobby.
What if it were tastefully done and suitably good lore reasons were given, vis-a-vis my valkyries idea?
2017/05/14 20:45:36
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
I don't give a single flying about female space marines. The only thing I care about here is this "OMG gender diversity is destroying society" bs that OvB was spouting. Are you really going to defend the person that was talking about GW being the last bastion of homogenity, away from those evil evil women?
Half this post, which I'm not quoting in full because it's borderline hysterics, is just unsubstantiated personal attacks. He never said women were evil, or shouldn't play warhammer, or that he hated them. He said he didn't like the current trend of changing things to be more politically correct, doesn't want it applied to space marines.
You need to chill.
Otto von Bludd wrote: In a market that is saturated with politically correct male/female armies GW offers something that is increasingly rare.
Meaning,
I don't like the fact that every other manufacturer is mixing in women with men in their armies. Diversity in armies is "politically correct" and therefore evil. GW is the last bastion of protection from this ickiness.
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2017/05/14 20:48:09
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Traditio wrote: What if it were tastefully done and suitably good lore reasons were given, vis-a-vis my valkyries idea?
Apart from them having a Primarch, possibly, but it'd likely cause more issues than it's good for; if even this small contingent of female "Marines" could exist, then why are we keeping the Adepta Sororitas around? Why haven't we heard of them before, and how did they create a workaround the genetic enhancement process that is usually far too vicious for a human female?
SoB are sitting in GW's dark corner of the classroom begging for love. Why can't we just ditch the idea of female Marines and bring them back to the forefront?
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2017/05/14 20:58:42
Subject: Re:Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Meaning,
I don't like the fact that every other manufacturer is mixing in women with men in their armies. Diversity in armies is "politically correct" and therefore evil. GW is the last bastion of protection from this ickiness.
Congratulations, you've missed both the point and are trying to twist his argument into something it's not even close to what he's saying in order to prove your current crusade right.
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2017/05/14 21:00:12
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
Traditio wrote: What if it were tastefully done and suitably good lore reasons were given, vis-a-vis my valkyries idea?
Apart from them having a Primarch, possibly, but it'd likely cause more issues than it's good for; if even this small contingent of female "Marines" could exist, then why are we keeping the Adepta Sororitas around? Why haven't we heard of them before, and how did they create a workaround the genetic enhancement process that is usually far too vicious for a human female?
SoB are sitting in GW's dark corner of the classroom begging for love. Why can't we just ditch the idea of female Marines and bring them back to the forefront?
I don't think some kind of female Space Marines will negate the lore or appeal of the Sororitas, just like Custodes ,Grey Knights and Deathwathc don't eliminate the appeal for Space Marines, or Sisters of Silence negates the Sororitas. Or the proper Space Marines negates Imperial Guard, Tempestus Cions and other elite normal humans like the Karskin, Elysian Drop troops, etc...
Female Space Marines would be the exact same role that Space Marines do. The "Religious zealots" is something proper to the Sisters of Battle. Being female is the least important thing of the characterization of the Sisters of Battle, at least to me.
But appart from that, I agree. I prefer 200 times more plastic Sisters of Battle than Female Space Marines. The new Celestine model and the Geminaes are lovely, just like Greyfax.
General Annoyance wrote:As much as the OP wants this conversation to steer away from all the lore points about female Marines, it can very well be responsible for the poll results. Being a lore fanatic myself, and a secret SoB lover, I know that personally I wouldn't want to buy any, but not everyone cares about that aspect of the hobby.
What if it were tastefully done and suitably good lore reasons were given, vis-a-vis my valkyries idea?
Yes, yes Traditio, you understand now, don't you? Female Warriors can be just as cool as male warriors Come to the dark side.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/14 21:00:20
Subject: Do Female Space Marines Make Marketing Sense?
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