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I like that they are fleshing out the army with another unit, hopefully with the variety we may get even more in a couple of years. It's one entry per new codex so far.



What I'm curious about is the huge gap in the armor right in the side of of the knight. For something that is walking tall above las cannon crews, it sure opens up a nice target. I know real world considerations have no place in 40K but still, looks like the armor leaves a huge gap in defenses.

 Warpspy wrote:
So... Yet another un-needed new model for a un-needed army. This is great.

We still have the same basic CSM from almost 20 years ago... The same old old ugly imperial guard regiments from 25+ years ago, the same imperial guard tanks from the same time, the same eldar falcon and vyper, same ork infantry, same ork vehicles... aaaand dare i say it? The same goddamned ugly sisters of battle from twenty-some or more years ago... And many other things that i cannot remember...

But GW release instead a full new army of golden dudes, and now a new (and totally needed and asked for... ) little-knight. So i guess next step is having plastic titans, so we can have the proper full "EPIC 40k in 28 mm." experience.


Seems totally fine.

Feel free to leave the hobby any time Some of us are pretty darn happy to see this new model.

I wonder if I'll be able to run this guy alongside my Mechanicus forces?

 Barzam wrote:
I wonder if I'll be able to run this guy alongside my Mechanicus forces?

I'd be very surprised if you can't. Since the ones shown in the pictures have been Mechanicus aligned Houses and there's cogs as part of the shoulderplates.

Yeah between the cog shoulder pads and both preview models painted as house Raven, its a safe bet that the existing AM knight rules will apply. TBH I'm more concerned that they wont fit with my House Terryn knights if they don't have non cog shoulders

I think the perfect add on would be a unit of mechanic types like they do in warmachine. They could act as troops and specialists all in one and would fit the fluff.

 Warpspy wrote:
So... Yet another un-needed new model for a un-needed army. This is great.

We still have the same basic CSM from almost 20 years ago... The same old old ugly imperial guard regiments from 25+ years ago, the same imperial guard tanks from the same time, the same eldar falcon and vyper, same ork infantry, same ork vehicles... aaaand dare i say it? The same goddamned ugly sisters of battle from twenty-some or more years ago... And many other things that i cannot remember...

But GW release instead a full new army of golden dudes, and now a new (and totally needed and asked for... ) little-knight. So i guess next step is having plastic titans, so we can have the proper full "EPIC 40k in 28 mm." experience.


Seems totally fine.

how dare GW make new stuff instead of remaking old things. CSMs have 3 seperate kits to choose from for their line infantry (MK 3 MK 4, and the CSM kit) imperial guards fluff basicly enables them to use any 28mm scale infantry kit they want (GW could literally discontinue guard infantry tomorrow and the army would still exist just fine.

Oh goody, the Positivity Police are back on patrol, just what the thread needs.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh goody, the Positivity Police are back on patrol, just what the thread needs.

thing is, some people it seems think GW should produce the same dozen or so kits endlessly. and seem to resent NEW things it's rediculas.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh goody, the Positivity Police are back on patrol, just what the thread needs.

Yes because both sides are really what we need endlessly. You're all as bad as the company we all love and hate.

Weren't the knights suppose to "hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " already (and weren't the warhound titans suppose to " hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " too before the knights ?) ?
How many times will this be declined ?

Great stuff! I like seeing the Knights become a bit more varied. A pity they didn't launch the line in the old days when scratchbuilding and converting was encouraged - you'd see a lot more variety in knights, which is what the army totally needs to get me into it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh goody, the Positivity Police are back on patrol, just what the thread needs.

thing is, some people it seems think GW should produce the same dozen or so kits endlessly. and seem to resent NEW things it's rediculas.

Not as ridiculous as that level of hyperbole, I fear. Regardless, how is preferring an older kit be redone than a new kit produced any less valid than preferring one new kit be produced over another new kit, or any other kind of preference? That's a rhetorical question of course, it's not different, but drawing those kinds of artificial distinctions allows the pretense that attempting to shut down someone else's opinion rather than merely disagree with it is justifiable.

 godardc wrote:
Weren't the knights suppose to "hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " already (and weren't the warhound titans suppose to " hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " too before the knights ?) ?
How many times will this be declined ?

Matrioska knights, theres always a smaller one hunting and fighting at the flanks of their larger kin. (But to be honest Titan Legions and Knights Households are very different things even if they all come from the same game, Epic)

 godardc wrote:
Weren't the knights suppose to "hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " already (and weren't the warhound titans suppose to " hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " too before the knights ?) ?
How many times will this be declined ?

Till there are grot-sized knights, which hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin.

 godardc wrote:
Weren't the knights suppose to "hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " already (and weren't the warhound titans suppose to " hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " too before the knights ?) ?
How many times will this be declined ?

Knights now have a similar scale system as Titans- Armigers/Warhounds as the scouts, Questoris are basically Reavers, Cerastus are Warlords, bigger with often more powerful weapons. And then the Acastus is the Emperor- the rare monster with a ranged focus.

I do hope to see a few smaller support models, like Sacricians, maybe with a plastic servitor set.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Weren't the knights suppose to "hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " already (and weren't the warhound titans suppose to " hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " too before the knights ?) ?
How many times will this be declined ?

Knights now have a similar scale system as Titans- Armigers/Warhounds as the scouts, Questoris are basically Reavers, Cerastus are Warlords, bigger with often more powerful weapons. And then the Acastus is the Emperor- the rare monster with a ranged focus.

I do hope to see a few smaller support models, like Sacricians, maybe with a plastic servitor set.

sacricians I could see simply being IG techpreists

The more I think about the Armigers the more i like them. I can imagine fielding 2 or 3 of these to support a Questor.

I second the need for a support element like ^-^ this. But I'm not sure if they'll get a new codex.

I might hold off on a full size knight to get a couple of these badass models.

I play chaos, specifically Thousand Sons. I waited decades for a plastic kit. When another month went by and I hadn't received the shiny, new plastic Thousand Sons kit (you know, that short period between 1992 and 2017) and other armies/models received a shiny new plastic kit, I wasn't upset or annoyed. Actually, I kind of just love miniatures, so I was always excited to see what came out.

Now, I'd love to see a new plastic Chaos Marine kit at some point so I can replace those long-in-the-tooth metals from 1996, the plastics from 1998 and so on. I'd love one. I'd be super happy to get one.

But I'm not super upset that I haven't received one... funny.

I love this new Knight model. It's a fun model. It isn't a Chaos Space Marines kit, no. But then, 99.99% of releases aren't. In fact, they couldn't be.

I feel like Chaos forces might see god dedicated marines (so world eaters and emperors children in some order) before the standard chaos marines get an update. Which kinda sucks, but they might also want to build up an event to elevate Abbaddon into Horus restored.

Though that's both lind of best and worst case scenario wrapped into one lol.

(But I camt wait to see what comes out for a world eater and emperora children release. Im super hopeful new deamonettes wpuld come out to convince to start a chaos army centered around a Emperor's children band of noise marines and thier attendant groupies)

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I feel like Chaos forces might see god dedicated marines (so world eaters and emperors children in some order) before the standard chaos marines get an update. Which kinda sucks, but they might also want to build up an event to elevate Abbaddon into Horus restored.

Though that's both lind of best and worst case scenario wrapped into one lol.

(But I camt wait to see what comes out for a world eater and emperora children release. Im super hopeful new deamonettes wpuld come out to convince to start a chaos army centered around a Emperor's children band of noise marines and thier attendant groupies)

I tend to suspect you're right on that. especially as noise marines are in greater need then normal CSMs. as I said standard CSMs do have a range of options due to the heresy kits. IMHO what CSMs need more then a new CSM kit is a Havoc squad kit.

Another reason I want the new Knight to be a tad smaller is that some of my current knights are also a bit on the small side.

My current Knight army is made up of official GW knights, an unreleased Epicast knight (about 5 1/2 inches tall), a limited edition Dreamforge Leviathan resin (about 5.75 inches), and two kitbashes using the Lord of Skulls' torso (5.75 inches).

If this new knight is fairly large it will make a majority of my normal knights look like midgets.

 godardc wrote:
Weren't the knights suppose to "hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " already (and weren't the warhound titans suppose to " hunt and fight at the flanks of their larger kin " too before the knights ?) ?
How many times will this be declined ?

So what's the biggger things knights have that are larger kin? Well polyp-something knight from FW is bigger but yeah still a knight. Overall knights don't have bigger kin to fight on flanks of.

BrianDavion wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I feel like Chaos forces might see god dedicated marines (so world eaters and emperors children in some order) before the standard chaos marines get an update. Which kinda sucks, but they might also want to build up an event to elevate Abbaddon into Horus restored.

Though that's both lind of best and worst case scenario wrapped into one lol.

(But I camt wait to see what comes out for a world eater and emperora children release. Im super hopeful new deamonettes wpuld come out to convince to start a chaos army centered around a Emperor's children band of noise marines and thier attendant groupies)

I tend to suspect you're right on that. especially as noise marines are in greater need then normal CSMs. as I said standard CSMs do have a range of options due to the heresy kits. IMHO what CSMs need more then a new CSM kit is a Havoc squad kit.

Noise Marines are also dependent on the current CSM kit as a base. Replacing the CSM box first could either invalidate the Noise marine conversion kit, or limit GW sculptors so that it stays compatible.

BrianDavion wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I feel like Chaos forces might see god dedicated marines (so world eaters and emperors children in some order) before the standard chaos marines get an update. Which kinda sucks, but they might also want to build up an event to elevate Abbaddon into Horus restored.

Though that's both lind of best and worst case scenario wrapped into one lol.

(But I camt wait to see what comes out for a world eater and emperora children release. Im super hopeful new deamonettes wpuld come out to convince to start a chaos army centered around a Emperor's children band of noise marines and thier attendant groupies)

I tend to suspect you're right on that. especially as noise marines are in greater need then normal CSMs. as I said standard CSMs do have a range of options due to the heresy kits. IMHO what CSMs need more then a new CSM kit is a Havoc squad kit.

Off topic but. Chaos needs Noise marines, 'zerkers, and Havocs.The normal Marines and Terminators could use a update, But they are at least acceptable compared to the other three. Almost all modren CSM armies are built from the heresy stuff now for a reason.

Bezerkers are a "nice to have" but not essential I'd say as they are at least plastic. I think if a world eater player was given a choice between them or a brand new kit (terminator bezerkers) I imagine plenty would tolerate the old 'zerker models, just for example

BrianDavion wrote:
Bezerkers are a "nice to have" but not essential I'd say as they are at least plastic. I think if a world eater player was given a choice between them or a brand new kit (terminator bezerkers) I imagine plenty would tolerate the old 'zerker models, just for example

Thousand Sons and Death Guard, when they got kit updates, both got a Primarch, a character, a troop box, a terminator box, and a 3-pack of a large unit. Plus relatively close releases of matching daemons. I would expect something similar for World Eaters and Emperor's Children, with the caveat that Khorne and world eaters actually are ahead of the game of a few things- Kharn is already in plastic for the character role, and the only Daemons Khorne needs in plastic are Hounds, Karanak, Skulltaker, and maybe some herald variants. Khorne daemons could be covered by a single week model release, and no new book, just tacked on to World Eaters, who would likely be Angron, a new Berzerkers kit, a Terminator kit, and to match the others, a 3 pack unit, possibly Berzerkers on Skullcrushers.


Back on the topic of knights, if that phosphor blaster on the top is the same as the one on the Kastellan robots, it looks about twice as tall as the Robot kit, or about Riptide sized. The legs share some design features with the Ironstrider, but bulkier, and the Ironstrider is tall already. People asking about Redemptor or Dreadknight sized are probably thinking too short. Feels about 2/3 of a knight in width, maybe 3/4 as tall. Proportionwise, I'ts almost as if you put questoris shoulder pads on a cerastus, then shrunk that by half.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Back on the topic of knights, if that phosphor blaster on the top is the same as the one on the Kastellan robots, it looks about twice as tall as the Robot kit, or about Riptide sized. The legs share some design features with the Ironstrider, but bulkier, and the Ironstrider is tall already. People asking about Redemptor or Dreadknight sized are probably thinking too short. Feels about 2/3 of a knight in width, maybe 3/4 as tall. Proportionwise, I'ts almost as if you put questoris shoulder pads on a cerastus, then shrunk that by half.

Playing around in photo shop scaling the images, I get the impression that the Armiger's Torso is slightly shorter then a Kastellan's total height. But with more bulk of course.

It's diff somewere between Riptide and Redemptor sized.


The only thing is that a Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Multimelta, and melee weapon makes it seem kinda under gunned for something that big? Like. Consider how many guns the redemptor has.

From the look of it, the Armiger may share some parts with its larger brother, like the top hatch, hip and arm joints, as a nod to being a STC product.

 Crazyterran wrote:
If they are the Hounds to the Knightly Lord, 2:1 ratio makes sense. 4 of these and 2 knights as a 2000 army?

I'd put my money on 3 for the price of 2. A 2000 point army will have 5 models now, instead of 4.