What faction/army/race should be fully desotroyed?

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**Rune Stonegrinder**

Actual armies permanently gone, none.

Regiments, Craftworlds, etc..... any that give a base -1 to hit needs deleted permanently.

**pm713**

ERJAK wrote:
Slaanesh. It's the single worst thing about both 40k and Sigmar.

Why...

**G00fySmiley**

Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
Actual armies permanently gone, none.

Regiments, Craftworlds, etc..... any that give a base -1 to hit needs deleted permanently.

yea, even buffs giving -1 to hit are suspect. I was playing my orks vs eldar and literally was going to be able to shoot things on a 7+... let me tell you how awesome it is to take already overprices ineffective shooting and have it turned into literally unable to shoot hit anything visible. I could move lootas wit their heavy weapons to see other things, but then of heavy weapons moving, hit on 6's but minus 1 for altioc... damn it. ork shooting foiled again.

**Rune Stonegrinder**

G00fySmiley wrote:
damn it. ork shooting foiled again.

damn that's dirty, hope it was a random pairing in a tournament and not a pick up game.

Nurgle daemons are pretty dirty as well. Their resilience is pure stupid if your guard, Tau, Orks (i.e. armies with 4+ or worse shooting). Shooting quality is just too low to make a large dent before they get to us.

**HuskyWarhammer**

Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
G00fySmiley wrote:
damn it. ork shooting foiled again.

damn that's dirty, hope it was a random pairing in a tournament and not a pick up game.

Nurgle daemons are pretty dirty as well.

I see what you did there.

**Primark G**

T’au is my first pick.

**Marmatag**

G00fySmiley wrote:
Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
Actual armies permanently gone, none.

Regiments, Craftworlds, etc..... any that give a base -1 to hit needs deleted permanently.

yea, even buffs giving -1 to hit are suspect. I was playing my orks vs eldar and literally was going to be able to shoot things on a 7+... let me tell you how awesome it is to take already overprices ineffective shooting and have it turned into literally unable to shoot hit anything visible. I could move lootas wit their heavy weapons to see other things, but then of heavy weapons moving, hit on 6's but minus 1 for altioc... damn it. ork shooting foiled again.

Army wide -1 to hit as a freaking trait is so dumb. They should do what Jormungandr did, and give them the benefit of cover if they don't FLY, charge/advance.

**Ecclesiarch 616**

If a faction is wiped out now there will be an outcry. So many people have invested a lot of time & money on armies. It would be a very bad business decision on GWs part.

**Table**

mew28 wrote:
Chaos for sure it is pretty much just AoS models and spikey marines. Also the CSM should have bein wiped out by now as getting new members is a pain in the ass for them and they lose guys all the time.

Do not take black library marine porn as actual fluff. Chaos Marines do work. I mean look at the current setting.

**lolman1c**

Firstly, this is 40k... there is no story as much as GW pushes it. Everything is both possible and impossible in the 40k universe. You kill space wolves? Well geuss what? BOOM! Warp spat out 1000 Space wolves who were in hiding or some crap... you could even have loyalist Tyranids using the warp as an excuse is you needed to... Hell! I play Shadow wolves... a chapter that's extinct but yet still appears in 40k lore because some escaped or something.

What 40k has is sub stories . Little pockets of adventures and lore in the 40k universe. It can be anything from a story of a Baneblade crew to the whole war on Armageddon. This is what makes 40k special. When something happens you do get consequences. But it's always small scale in relation to the galaxy. However, this makes it more personal. That one guardsmen you followed and grew to love is now dead! That team of space marines you cheered for finally completed their mission. If GW just said "and half the galaxy blew up and all these chapters and races died" you wouldn't give a squig! You have no connections to anyone important so you don't care...

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pm713 wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Slaanesh. It's the single worst thing about both 40k and Sigmar.

Why...

How dare you! You take that back! Slaanesh is a Angel of sex!

**carldooley**

Does the OP really not understand why there is so much pushback at the idea of removing factions from this (or any) game? Try this:

OP, let us remove from canon (and the game) whichever army you have put the most time, money and effort into.

**lolman1c**

Honestly, I could see GW removing Orks. They don't really seem to understand them much now and so might just delte them so they don't have to deal with them.

**Strg Alt**

Squat every faction in this game and reintroduce Squats.

**carldooley**

Strg Alt wrote:
Squat every faction in this game and reintroduce Squats.

exalted!

**Nerak**

Strg Alt wrote:
Squat every faction in this game and reintroduce Squats.

Then squat them. From then on the rule book only contains instructions on how to do proper squats. We will then all do squats in unison.

**CthuluIsSpy**

That would be a great April fools joke, actually. GW says they will bring out squats, and all it is is an exercise book.

**Marmatag**

Sisters of Battle. Only because the meltdown around here would be legendary.

The new sisters update is a plastic line of models, but is also accompanied with the rules being retired for 8th edition. OMMMGGG would be so delicious.

**Arson Fire**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
"Just a few at a time" won't kill a general. That's the problem. Dropping 5 Marines atop the enemy's command bunker in one drop-pod will likely have the result of scattered marine body-parts and drop-pod wreckage over an unimaginably huge area, and the smoking barrel of an air defense laser a few meters away from the command bunker.

Turns out things dropping from orbit that aren't maneuvering are fairly easy targets for computer-assisted directed-energy weapons.

Really? Does that mean that lasers are a very efficient defence against kinectic bombardment?

I don't think it's quite comparable.
Burn a hole in a ton of rock falling from the sky, and you still have a ton of rock falling from the sky.
Burn a hole in a craft packed full of soldiers as its falling from the sky, and they all burn up in atmospheric entry heat.

**Brutallica**

TheBaconPope wrote:
In no particular order,

Space Marines: What are they doing in this setting again? There's probably more marine models than cannonical marines at this point they're so rare.

Dark Angels: Shouldn't they be polishing their jetbikes?

Blood Angels: They've suffered catastrophic casualties so many times that the chapter is a single marine at this point.

Grey Knights: Baby Carriers. Don't think I need to say anything else.

Space Wolves: Too many PITA violations to count. Next.

Deathwatch: When's the last time you saw one of these on the table? Toss it with the rest.

Guard: The Commissar's hat makes me...uncomfortably warm. Not on my table!

Sisters of Battle: Meh, we're throwing the rest of the Power Armor out, let's be egalitarian about it.

Custodes: Custodians have mops, not Spears. Out.

Sisters of Silence: Two all female factions dedicated entirely to worshipping the empire? Yawn. Out with the rest.

Mechanicus: I played AdMech once...now I'm uncomfortably attracted to my household appliances. Get them out.

Imperial Agents: The Imperium's Dollar Bin also belongs in the trash.

Imperial Knights: Oh wow, they've expanded to two whole models. Wraith Knights are taller. Out with them too.

Daemons: Space Marines and Daemons in the future? What is this, doom? Out with you.

CSM: Same problems as the Marines, and DE pull off the spikey look way better. Toss em.

Death Guard: Plenty of Plauge Marines wandering around game stores already. Let's not encourage them.

TS: Nipple Horns.

Craftworlds: Plastic Sisters are coming, so updated Aspect Warriors won't be here for another three decades or so. Why even bother? Out with them.

Harlequins: I don't like to smile.

DE: Sado-Machism? Not in my GOOD CHRISTIAN SETTING.

Ynnari: Whoever drew the art for the Yvarine had an obvious foot fetish. The only cure for that is fire.

Corsairs: DE lite. Pick a side! Out with them too.

Tyanids: Compete with Orks for big Xenos horde. Orks do it better.

Orks: Compete with Tyranids for big Xenos horde. Tyanids do it better.

Genestealer Cults: No GMOs in this setting, no sir.

Necrons: Take your C'tan and go beat up the other Pokémon.

Tau: Communism.

Hahaha! fething KILL EVERYTHING! HAHAHAHa

**RedCommander**

shortymcnostrill wrote:
RedCommander wrote:
There is only one answer to this question: chaos.

Everything would be better both in and out of game if they did that. They're bunch of mary-sue edge lords who would completely lose all major galactic wars without their plot armor. They are no soldiers.

Without chaos, we could have real war, with consequences, because there would be none of that wishy-washy "all your victories just strengthens our chaos forces!"-crap.

Not to mention, their rotten tentacle-ridden forces are ugly.

This made me laugh as there's another faction this applies to:

There is only one answer to this question: space marines.

Everything would be better both in and out of game if they did that. They're bunch of mary-sue edge lords who would completely lose all major galactic wars without their plot armor. They are no soldiers.

Without space marines, we could have real war, with consequences, because there would be none of that wishy-washy "we suffered great losses but managed to refill our chapter's ranks in time for the next war!"-crap.

Not to mention, their boxy tentacle-devoid forces are ugly.

Well, space marines are a definitely a finite force with their head count of about one million. And the fluff/propaganda would do well to portray them as highly effective shock troopers, instead of winning wars single handedly.

But if we could be done with both chaos and space marines? Done. I wouldn't miss either of them. Imperium is more than the space marines. And chaos isn't really needed any way, unless you really need saturday morning cartoon villains with their spiky shoulder pads.

The only thing wrong about this is that the burning of the heretics wouldn't be the same without chaos. And of course there couldn't be Warhammer 40,000 without Space Marines!

**Jidmah**

Cadia.

Too soon?

**Grimtuff**

Well, this thread turned into a dumpster fire pretty quick with so many people purposely misunderstanding 40k armies shticks and using that to justify removing them...

**BrianDavion**

Grimtuff wrote:
Well, this thread turned into a dumpster fire pretty quick with so many people purposely misunderstanding 40k armies shticks and using that to justify removing them...

thats what happens everytime one of these threads turn up

**Marmatag**

Jidmah wrote:
Cadia.

Too soon?

This post is underrated.

**NurglesR0T**

Ecclesiarch 616 wrote:
If a faction is wiped out now there will be an outcry. So many people have invested a lot of time & money on armies. It would be a very bad business decision on GWs part.

They did this wholesale with AOS for several factions.

**WindstormSCR**

NurglesR0T wrote:
Ecclesiarch 616 wrote:
If a faction is wiped out now there will be an outcry. So many people have invested a lot of time & money on armies. It would be a very bad business decision on GWs part.

They did this wholesale with AOS for several factions.

and that was the lesson that taught them it was a terrible idea to start with and should never have been done.

**BrianDavion**

WindstormSCR wrote:
NurglesR0T wrote:
Ecclesiarch 616 wrote:
If a faction is wiped out now there will be an outcry. So many people have invested a lot of time & money on armies. It would be a very bad business decision on GWs part.

They did this wholesale with AOS for several factions.

and that was the lesson that taught them it was a terrible idea to start with and should never have been done.

more over I suspect even the unpopular 40k armies may out sell some of the squated WFB factions

**meleti**

BrianDavion wrote:
WindstormSCR wrote:
NurglesR0T wrote:
Ecclesiarch 616 wrote:
If a faction is wiped out now there will be an outcry. So many people have invested a lot of time & money on armies. It would be a very bad business decision on GWs part.

They did this wholesale with AOS for several factions.

and that was the lesson that taught them it was a terrible idea to start with and should never have been done.

more over I suspect even the unpopular 40k armies may out sell some of the squated WFB factions

*glances at High Elves sadly*

**nateprati**

Gun to my head seems to be the respectful way to start this. Scions or primaris. I dislike the primaris fluff, i think the models should have just been replacements for normal muhreens. Scions kind of have the same problem where primaris make normal muhreens seem lackluster, scions bridge the cap between humans and super humans which weakens how extreme that gap is suppossed to be.

Lets take it back to normal people and demi god people. Not normal people, special normal people, demi gods and super demi gods

**Mayk0l**

Kill off Ultramarines.
Go George R.R. on 40k.
Instantly makes the setting more interesting.

Also I don't understand people complaining about Chaos being Mary Sues. They seriously lose every battle and fail at everything they try. They are like Gadget's Dr. Claw or Dick Dastardly.
R.G. is the prime example of a Mary Sue that makes the whole setting bland and pointless.

They could not have made this story "progression" any more boring than by introducing Guilleman.