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Stux wrote:
I would suspect that something like 90% of the people spouting vitriol against Forgeworld and claiming to boycott then have either never bought anything from them anyway, or could count the number of kits ever purchased direct from them on one hand.

I guess I am a 10% -er!

<—- I have been buying from GW and FW since 2008. My FW orders always hit the free shipping mark (200 or 250 British pound moneys). I easily have $3k in FW gak in my basement. I have been critical of people that buy from recasters in the past. All of my HH gak is legit from FW even though a lot of HH players I talk to brag about their China recasts.

This price increase? feth you, FW. Seriously, feth you. Your US/UK conversion is too far out of whack.

I have also sent an email telling them that as a long time customer, they have lost me for good. Until they roll back this BS policy, they will never see another dime from me.

 kronk wrote:

Stux wrote:
I would suspect that something like 90% of the people spouting vitriol against Forgeworld and claiming to boycott then have either never bought anything from them anyway, or could count the number of kits ever purchased direct from them on one hand.

I guess I am a 10% -er!

<—- I have been buying from GW and FW since 2008. My FW orders always hit the free shipping mark (200 or 250 British pound moneys). I easily have $3k in FW gak in my basement. I have been critical of people that buy from recasters in the past. All of my HH gak is legit from FW even though a lot of HH players I talk to brag about their China recasts.

This price increase? feth you, FW. Seriously, feth you. Your US/UK conversion is too far out of whack.

I have also sent an email telling them that as a little g time customer, they have lost me for good. Until they roll back this BS policy, they will never see another dime from me.

I would say that you are yes, at least top 10% of GW gamers by amount spent on Forgeworld.

My contribution to the data is:

Personally spent nothing directly. Spent about £100 total on bits through eBay.
Gaming group: several people who've never bought anything from FW, and one guy who works for Games Workshop and even with his discount has probably still only spent close to £100 on FW products.

To be clear, I wasn’t claiming to be a whale, as I know guys that have spent WAY more than I ever will through FW. Nor was I being snarky to you, Stux.

I was just pissed about the price increase. Funny, I am now in “meh” mode, meaning “ I will miss FW as much as my ex. Not as all.”

 kronk wrote:
To be clear, I wasn’t claiming to be a whale, as I know guys that have spent WAY more than I ever will through FW. Nor was I being snarky to you, Stux.

I was just pissed about the price increase. Funny, I am now in “meh” mode, meaning “ I will miss FW as much as my ex. Not as all.”

Don't worry, I didn't take it as snarky all friendly here!

No, I wouldn't say you're a whale either. An intermediate level user perhaps.

I want the orc character set. Warboss and BSB. £35 is expensive but not especially so, at least the price has not ye gone up.

Is the Forge world price rise something in planning or something already done?

Allowing the fact that I just bought Kurt Helborg on the GW made to order range (which needs a lot longer than one week), and he cost £25 on his steed, I am prepared to pay £35.

Its really close to the upper limit I am prepared to pay, but not beyond.

Howe much is Forge World P&P, this would be my first order since I bought a Wave Serpent upgrade kit in 2002.

 Orlanth wrote:
I want the orc character set. Warboss and BSB. £35 is expensive but not especially so, at least the price has not ye gone up.

Is the Forge world price rise something in planning or something already done?

Allowing the fact that I just bought Kurt Helborg on the GW made to order range (which needs a lot longer than one week), and he cost £25 on his steed, I am prepared to pay £35.

Its really close to the upper limit I am prepared to pay, but not beyond.

Howe much is Forge World P&P, this would be my first order since I bought a Wave Serpent upgrade kit in 2002.

It's a change to the international pricing model, so won't affect you if you're based in the UK as your flag suggests!

They've gone from buying in GBP and just converting at payment to a model where every country has its own store with regional pricing.

And I take it they have pulled the Oz trick with currency exchange rates?

I can see how that could suck.
Pissing off the US market is probably not wise.

Maybe is a prep for Brexit, maybe just myopic leadership. I always wondered where Kirby went, maybe he or his clone is nesting Forge World twirling their moustache and dreaming of profits-now.

Like a few users, I'm not so much boycotting as simply not buying from a lot in the first place. The most I've bought is a Warp Hunter, two Hornets, and two Tetras, and as well as simply being all I really want from FW--except maybe the Necron Sentry Pylon, but the Heat Cannon is OOP, so I guess not--the quality hardly lived up to the premium pricing.

There wasn't much of the Eldar stuff that didn't need a warm water bath and drastic realignment, and a fair bit simply had an unreasonable amount of holes, gouges, or straight-up miscasting. I even contacted them about the Tetras I recieved having whopping great holes in the hull, some of which went right through the model almost as if they'd been drilled out, and got back the equivalent of a shrug and 'meh'.

Not too bothered by the price increase, personally. My purchases are so few and far between and so specific that I don’t really mind the premium that they demand. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love them to be cheaper, but I’m just not interested in the bulk of what FW offers.

My current hobby focus for the forseeable future is mainly AoS, Necromunda and AT, but mostly AoS. That effectively limits my purchases to maybe, at most 1/4th of FW’s offerings.

FW’s AoS catalogue isn’t all that impressive and I already own everything I want from that range from purchases in years previous. Unless they bulk out the Fimirach with new stuff, I don’t see myself buying anything from their AoS range currently. If they bring back the Curs’d Ettin and Incarnate of Beasts, its game on as well.

For Necromunda, I recently (before the price increase) received my order of 2 of every character and upgrade kit. I’m set until the next spread of characters and upgrades come out, so no purchases for at least another 6 months unless they drop a ton of new stuff in that time frame.

Nothing is currently available for AT, so I’m safe there. Once(if) they release new Titans, upgrade kits, weapon options or Legio specific shoulderpads/icons and such, I’ll be getting those, no question.

Buying from FW was always painful, and its going to get more painful from here out, but I justify it by how specific and rare my purchases are. YMMV, but thats where I’m at, currently. I can definitely sympathize with folks that have been priced out. I completely understand it. If I played 30K or 40K, I’d probably be singing a different tune.

Now I know I will not be effected my opinion hasnt changed, not from lack of care but lack of interest.

Were I outside the UK I might still buy the orc BSB I am after. Its a BSB its a highlight of a large army mostly of cheap plastics I can afford to splash out on a centrepiece miniature. Even though its expensive for what it is, it's focus makes it special.
I wanted the dwarf BSB/character sert also, but that is no longer available and sell for mad money on eBay.
I went with Russian Alternative instead and am happy.

Were I collecting Imperial Guard and considering Forge World a hike on this level would make all the difference, if I was buying it anyway.

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 Bi'ios wrote:
Since I’m a reasonable adult who doesn’t throw a tantrum when things change, I’m not boycotting anything, and if you are, I very strongly suggest you reevaluate your priorities.

You may not mind being taken advantage of, but others do. There is nothing immature about refusing to waste your income on overpriced stuff- especially when the company jacking up said price lies to your face about it. The word "boycott" may have more of a political connotation, but ceasing to purchase from a company with poor business practices is the only thing that might cause said company to change its behavior.

Blastaar wrote:

 Bi'ios wrote:
Since I’m a reasonable adult who doesn’t throw a tantrum when things change, I’m not boycotting anything, and if you are, I very strongly suggest you reevaluate your priorities.

You may not mind being taken advantage of, but others do. There is nothing immature about refusing to waste your income on overpriced stuff- especially when the company jacking up said price lies to your face about it. The word "boycott" may have more of a political connotation, but ceasing to purchase from a company with poor business practices is the only thing that might cause said company to change its behavior.

Exactly. No matter whether you choose to continue to support them or not, I feel like the only immature stance that can be taken is getting upset that others don't do the same, no matter which side of the decision you may fall on.

Haven't placed an order post change. Prior I bought ten tyrant siege, a whirlwind scorpius, three quad mortar rapiers, two sets of ten iron havocs, etc.

Not boycotting really, but the MASSIVE jump in prices to get FW stuff in AU just means I can no longer afford the Porphyrion or Warhound I was eyeing off. Both went up almost $200 so I'll just go back to lurking on ebay for second hand ones.

Discontinuing the Chaos Warhound doesn't help my enthusiasm either...

In the words of the God Emperor himself: China.

Thanks GW :^)

 Bi'ios wrote:
Since I’m a reasonable adult who doesn’t throw a tantrum when things change, I’m not boycotting anything, and if you are, I very strongly suggest you reevaluate your priorities.

Refusing to pay an additional 20-46% more depending on where you live outside the UK, for the exact same product isn't so much a tantrum as it is common sense. Want to see what that difference looks like for Australians who want to buy a warlord titan?



They are buying the exact same product as those in the UK, yet pay 469 pounds more because reasons. To those in the UK who think this doesn't impact you, it will. If people from around the globe are no longer buying product or buying less product, it impacts the entire hobby. Which means less releases, less models for everyone.

 kronk wrote:

Stux wrote:
I would suspect that something like 90% of the people spouting vitriol against Forgeworld and claiming to boycott then have either never bought anything from them anyway, or could count the number of kits ever purchased direct from them on one hand.

I guess I am a 10% -er!

<—- I have been buying from GW and FW since 2008. My FW orders always hit the free shipping mark (200 or 250 British pound moneys). I easily have $3k in FW gak in my basement. I have been critical of people that buy from recasters in the past. All of my HH gak is legit from FW even though a lot of HH players I talk to brag about their China recasts.

This price increase? feth you, FW. Seriously, feth you. Your US/UK conversion is too far out of whack.

I have also sent an email telling them that as a long time customer, they have lost me for good. Until they roll back this BS policy, they will never see another dime from me.

So are you boycotting GW prime as well then? After all they have same conversion rate...Or are you another of these who have principle "if GW does X it's all right, if FW does same it's bad"...

Boycot FW sure but boycot GW as well then since they do same and are almost certainly behind this as well.


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 Commissar Benny wrote:

 Bi'ios wrote:
Since I’m a reasonable adult who doesn’t throw a tantrum when things change, I’m not boycotting anything, and if you are, I very strongly suggest you reevaluate your priorities.

Refusing to pay an additional 20-46% more depending on where you live outside the UK, for the exact same product isn't so much a tantrum as it is common sense. Want to see what that difference looks like for Australians who want to buy a warlord titan?



They are buying the exact same product as those in the UK, yet pay 469 pounds more because reasons. To those in the UK who think this doesn't impact you, it will. If people from around the globe are no longer buying product or buying less product, it impacts the entire hobby. Which means less releases, less models for everyone.

So I presume your GW model count is 0 as well from many many years ago. You don't have 8th ed rules and codexes either as US pays more for it than they should based on conversation rates than UK. Your newest purchase from GW would thus be decades ago.

I don't know why you're getting so militant about this tneva, that second person never even said they were boycotting either of the stores. Regardless, there's a ton of people who never ever buy models GW, so I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe that's rare where you are? Where I'm at in Australia, my local T.O. would literally ask the group if they'd like anything before he submits group orders through a recaster on people's behalf, and I know that it's not a rarity amongst our communities. GW doesn't have a lot of goodwill left here.

tneva82 wrote:
So I presume your GW model count is 0 as well from many many years ago. You don't have 8th ed rules and codexes either as US pays more for it than they should based on conversation rates than UK. Your newest purchase from GW would thus be decades ago.

Its one thing to increase the price of your products incrementally over decades than to increase the price of your products 46% overnight with no foreseeable benefit to the customer. GW's models have improved in quality over the years (generally speaking). I'm willing to pay more for quality. FW on the other hand, their quality has declined. They have less products available now for 40k players than they did a decade ago. I have models that no longer have rules & thus cannot use because FW no longer supports them. The amount of work I have to do to cleanup models is unacceptable. 3rd party startups are producing better quality products out of their garages.

I don't think them not currently producing the models I want counts as me boycotting them.

Edit: Eh, looks like I'm wrong on that. They DO make something I want! (I just saw that 30k Whirlwind with the giant RT-esque rocket launchers. That's going to get added to the collection)

tneva82 wrote:
So I presume your GW model count is 0 as well from many many years ago. You don't have 8th ed rules and codexes either as US pays more for it than they should based on conversation rates than UK. Your newest purchase from GW would thus be decades ago.

Except it doesn't really work like that. Paying an extra ~50% or something on a plastic kit or codex doesn't hurt as much in the short term than it does with a resin kit, especially something like a titan. Sure if you spend the amount of a titan on plastic kits you're paying the same markup and wasting money. But when those purchases are spread out over a year the customer feels it a lot less. People are much more likely to fine with paying an extra AU$15 for a rhino, especially when they can get it at 20% off bringing to only being an extra AU$4 than they are to be fine paying an extra AU$845 on a titan. They have no options to get a discount on FW models and have to wait 3 weeks for it to even arrive. When the biggest single kit from GW currently is the knight castellan is £100 for a AU$70 markup on RRP, only a AU$20 markup with a 20% discount it is a much less bitter pill to swallow. You only really start to notice it with the more expensive resin kits or buying many kits at once.

It's also been ~8 years or so since we've been forbidden from buying plastic kits internationally. Anyone who couldn't stand that is long gone from the hobby or they got over it by now.

TL;DR FW kits are much more expensive and the change was sudden. People are used to the plastic markup by now but sticker shock on the more expensive resin kits hits harder. An extra 50% is much easier to swallow on a £22 kit than a £1,293 kit.

The other thing is that right up until the prices rose the marketing that GW put out was all indicating that the FW prices were going to go DOWN in terms of shipping and that they'd also be posted faster.There was no hint nor warning that the prices on the models themselves were going to significantly rise on everything.

So not only is it a shock at sudden price rises, but it was a shock for a lot because they were hoping to make an order and have the postage and overall price of the order be cheaper for them. So you had a lot of people lining up ready to order who suddenly found that what they wanted was 50% more expensive before postage.

That isn't just a small increase but the kind that makes someone stop buying either on policy or because they simply don't have the money to cover it.

Haven't really felt compelled to boycot them because they simply haven't been releasing anything I care about. Heresy Marines and more Banannamarines are all we've gotten from them since forever.

When they do release something I want, I'll be sure to buy a recast of it though.

I live in the UK, and I just scratchbuild anyway.

A better question would be for -non- brits. As they have no reason to Boycott forgeworld. Australians however were hit by a 60% + 10% GST (New law passed) price increase on most items.

China will be loving this price increase. And I'll be boycotting FW.

 Commissar Benny wrote:
To those in the UK who think this doesn't impact you, it will. If people from around the globe are no longer buying product or buying less product, it impacts the entire hobby. Which means less releases, less models for everyone.

This smacks of accusing the UK community base as self centered and thoughtless of others.
Yes, are are not experiencing this price hike, but we have seen major price jumps in the past, and are not in approval of GW's overseas retail policies.

I am & I am not!
Bought 3 times from them. Problems 3 times, good customers services fixes what they forgot or mess up but can not fixes the poor quality of the product.

So I do not buy directly from them anymore. I only buy second hand FW models and ask a lot of pictures before doing it.
I have bought a Sicaran, a Arvus lighter, a Vulture Gunship, a trojan, and must of my tauros on second hand.

Quality is not meeting the price!

 Orlanth wrote:

 Commissar Benny wrote:
To those in the UK who think this doesn't impact you, it will. If people from around the globe are no longer buying product or buying less product, it impacts the entire hobby. Which means less releases, less models for everyone.

This smacks of accusing the UK community base as self centered and thoughtless of others.
Yes, are are not experiencing this price hike, but we have seen major price jumps in the past, and are not in approval of GW's overseas retail policies.

Agreed. We didn't see a movement to boycott from the US over Australian pricing ever did we?

Also, I'm yet to be convinced that any US attempt to boycott now is having significant impact on Forgeworld. Feels like a lot of shouting in an echo chamber to me.

I can't really say that I'm boycotting it about a month before the shift I purchased, in one big swoop, all but one model that I've wanted. I don't really have anything at the moment to boycott with, but should something come in the future I won't be getting it unless we see some change.