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 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Or warbosses, or weirdboyz. I just don't see modern humanity reacting fast enough and unified enough. We'd probably lose an entire continent or subcontinent to Orks before we stopped them.

In terms of pure military capacity, sure, we could annihilate them, and it wouldn't even be the biggest battle we've ever faced.

... if we were prepared for it (we're not), and if we reacted properly (I doubt we would), and if geopolitics didn't get in the way (it definitely would), and if they landed in just the right (or wrong) spot to let us react quickly enough (there's so many places in the world they could land and get an easy foothold), and what have you. So many ifs, it's really not as simple as point/click/dead like it's being made out to be. Real life is not an RTS game, and we're not prepared for that kind of thing to happen.

Orks don't spread that fast. A military response would definitely be mounted in under a year and it takes decades for Orks to "orkify" an environment to start pumping out hordes of Boyz to replenish losses. They aren't going to suddenly turn all of Africa or South America into an Ork biosphere no more than how they don't instantly Orkify worlds in 40k when conducting their invasions. And even if they build a couple gargants, we do have the nuclear firepower to completely overwhelm their void shields; we just couldn't deal with a full gargant invasion.

Question how long did it take the US to respond to vietnam and to win in vietnam? Oh wait we didn't... It took us what 8 years? Oh the iraq war? 6? Oh afghistan 20 years...

Yeah we would be able to get there but we wouldn't be able to deal with it reasonably quick. We would be stuck there hunting them for decades maybe even centuries, and all it takes is a couple orks getting wise, and our first battles will be disasterous leading us to learn rather quickly but it could also create situations that no one here has thought of, what if we sent the military in and we lose? What if we are facing a normal ork warlord, and not only would we be on the backfoot but regions would be lost completely.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Or warbosses, or weirdboyz. I just don't see modern humanity reacting fast enough and unified enough. We'd probably lose an entire continent or subcontinent to Orks before we stopped them.

In terms of pure military capacity, sure, we could annihilate them, and it wouldn't even be the biggest battle we've ever faced.

... if we were prepared for it (we're not), and if we reacted properly (I doubt we would), and if geopolitics didn't get in the way (it definitely would), and if they landed in just the right (or wrong) spot to let us react quickly enough (there's so many places in the world they could land and get an easy foothold), and what have you. So many ifs, it's really not as simple as point/click/dead like it's being made out to be. Real life is not an RTS game, and we're not prepared for that kind of thing to happen.

Orks don't spread that fast. A military response would definitely be mounted in under a year and it takes decades for Orks to "orkify" an environment to start pumping out hordes of Boyz to replenish losses. They aren't going to suddenly turn all of Africa or South America into an Ork biosphere no more than how they don't instantly Orkify worlds in 40k when conducting their invasions. And even if they build a couple gargants, we do have the nuclear firepower to completely overwhelm their void shields; we just couldn't deal with a full gargant invasion.

Question how long did it take the US to respond to vietnam and to win in vietnam? Oh wait we didn't... It took us what 8 years? Oh the iraq war? 6? Oh afghistan 20 years...

Yeah we would be able to get there but we wouldn't be able to deal with it reasonably quick. We would be stuck there hunting them for decades maybe even centuries, and all it takes is a couple orks getting wise, and our first battles will be disasterous leading us to learn rather quickly but it could also create situations that no one here has thought of, what if we sent the military in and we lose? What if we are facing a normal ork warlord, and not only would we be on the backfoot but regions would be lost completely.

Orks are a literal alien invasion and American soldiers are one of GW's largest playerbases. A response won't take longer than a year on account of the entire damn planet being horrified at livestream footage from Africa of horrifying 6'6" alien beasts stomping across the land. And all it takes to initially devastate the Orkoid force is a barrage of cruise missiles the Navy can unleash with utter abandon thanks to the Orks lacking any sort of ABM's. The only defense Orks have at all against the modern world's adoration of rockets is energy shields, something quite rare and only in possession of the largest WHAAAGHS!, which this isn't.

And said US soldiers are also under the command of US politicians, whom are a cowardly, manipulative lot, many of whom are also focused exclusively on isolationism. That's "their" problem, not ours. Etc.

 Melissia wrote:
And said US soldiers are also under the command of US politicians, whom are a cowardly, manipulative lot, many of whom are also focused exclusively on isolationism. That's "their" problem, not ours. Etc.

Because Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, and Syria all scream "isolationist".

The initial response may be small, but considering how brutal and savage orks are, it wouldn't take long before governments realized that it's not something that can be safely ignored. If orks land in Africa and start taking over, that means Europe is threatened in the short term. Even if the rest of the world doesn't care, there's no way European countries would let that happen. Same thing with the US and central or south America, or China/Russia/India in Asia. And as the orkuppied territory gets bigger, more countries would realize that they have to do something about it, even if it's only preparing their own defenses.

If necessary, threatened countried would get into total war: millions of troops conscripted into the army and all industry dedicated to military production. With the development of third-world countries in recent times, the world's military potential now is pretty insane when you think about it. I could definitely see armies totalling millions of troops, all with good or at least decent equipment, being raised to face the threat of crazy aliens who kill and destroy stuff for fun and never want to stop.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
And said US soldiers are also under the command of US politicians, whom are a cowardly, manipulative lot, many of whom are also focused exclusively on isolationism. That's "their" problem, not ours. Etc.

Because Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, and Syria all scream "isolationist".

And going in, then pulling out based on who went in defines a lot of American politics. "Isolationism" is usually put out by the party who opposes the president who went in.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
And said US soldiers are also under the command of US politicians, whom are a cowardly, manipulative lot, many of whom are also focused exclusively on isolationism. That's "their" problem, not ours. Etc.

Because Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, and Syria all scream "isolationist".

And? In none of those cases were forces deployed that would be capable of even putting a dent in a half-million strong army of rampaging Orks led by a cunning warboss. The US forces in each of those wars fought a force far smaller and far less dangerous, and frequently lost or were fought to what was at best a stalemate before pulling out early and declaring victory for political reasons. I'd bring up more modern examples of this "send a token force, then pull out early and declare victory", but that would involve talking US politics which is forbidden. Not since WW2 have we seen the kinds of force necessary to bring down a large warband of Orks, and even then it almost didn't happen.

No, no Earth could not. That small ork invasion would quickly become a large ork infestation. We can barely deal with infestations of mold and vermin, and those don't even have guns.

WE have a hard enough time dealing with terrorist cells :/

 Asherian Command wrote:
WE have a hard enough time dealing with terrorist cells :/

There is a difference between a terrorist cell who have some concern for their life and a lifeform that literally considers combat as sex.

WE have a hard enough time dealing with terrorist cells :/

That's because of two reasons. 1) they're probably incapable of murdering us all, so not all that important in the big picture and 2) to root them out finally and completely we'd have to do stuff that would make the leadership of middle and eastern Europe in the 40s blush. So we don't. Might be different when you're facing a bunch of hostile aliens that actually will eat your face.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
And said US soldiers are also under the command of US politicians, whom are a cowardly, manipulative lot, many of whom are also focused exclusively on isolationism. That's "their" problem, not ours. Etc.

Because Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, and Syria all scream "isolationist".

Also, all of which, except Korea, ended up as insurgencies. In Iraq, the conventional warfare lasted only days. Orks are not going to be able.to.hide in the population and gradually whittle away at morale, funding and domestic resolve, while civilian casualties rack up and harden the heart of the population against the foreign troops.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
No, no Earth could not. That small ork invasion would quickly become a large ork infestation. We can barely deal with infestations of mold and vermin, and those don't even have guns.

We can deal.with infestations of mould and vermin. Humanity has deliberately eradicated whole species because they were dangerous or inconvenient. Messenger pigeons, myximatosis, etc.

Outside of the battlefleets. The US army would literally obliterate all ground forces in 40k. Orks would be one of the easiest. 40k is basically WW2 tech in 38k years in the future.


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 Asherian Command wrote:
WE have a hard enough time dealing with terrorist cells :/

Enemies you can't see are much more dangerous than enemies that specifically try hard to be seen and show off their cool new Shootaz.

 Asherian Command wrote:
WE have a hard enough time dealing with terrorist cells :/

No we don't. If America or Russia wanted to you could easily deal with a terror cell by simply opening a book on Middle Eastern history, and solving the problem by engaging in excessive and brutal slaughter and suppression of the "problem" area and coming down with an iron fist. We obviously don't because even Russia is more ethical than the Golden Horde. But Insurgencies are not a problem because of technological or military incapability; they persist due to morality directing us away from excessive harm to innocents which forces us to use a scalpel to not violate our ethics.

This isn't the case with Orks, Orks get wiped out frequently by Guardsmen using forces mostly absent of weapons such as cruise missiles and guided bombs. Dealing with an Ork horde is only a problem if they arrive tech'd up severely. Otherwise they will be swiftly dealt with as a missile barrage can nail the Warboss with ease.