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It would be a great Forge World sourcebook, something like a trio of chapters rejecting the tall boy upgrades and fighting a conflict with the primaris chapters subsequently sent to replace them. Last hurrah for all the mini marine forge world kits.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.

If you search for "upgrade" on GW's site you get 29 results with most of them being after 8th edition launched, to include the Brood Brother upgrade for IG to make them fit in line with GSC. What you said it not only wrong, but it's so far off the mark it's falling off it's own little flat earth.

And that's not even getting into kit compatibility stuff like how I can slap a Sanguinary Guard Powerfist onto an Intercessor with no issue:

Spoiler:

Not sure why you're getting all heated about this but SM upgrade lines are separate for old and nu marines. Numarine's hands are bigger, so if you're detail oriented the difference is night and day - not to mention the conversion work required to even put them on. Following, in the picture provided, you can clearly see the difference in length of arm for the powerfist arm and the gun holding arm. Specifically, the primaris line tends to focus on the division of body parts - namely, the elbows & their articulation is much more emphasized than the older lines. So again, while it is possible to glue on older kit to newer kits, it's quite orkish. See Tor Garadon & Primaris Calgar for what primaris sized powerfists look like.

When I hear new kits, I picture a full new mono-pose kits, not simple headswaps and heraldry add ons.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.

If you search for "upgrade" on GW's site you get 29 results with most of them being after 8th edition launched, to include the Brood Brother upgrade for IG to make them fit in line with GSC. What you said it not only wrong, but it's so far off the mark it's falling off it's own little flat earth.

And that's not even getting into kit compatibility stuff like how I can slap a Sanguinary Guard Powerfist onto an Intercessor with no issue:

Spoiler:

Not sure why you're getting all heated about this but SM upgrade lines are separate for old and nu marines. Numarine's hands are bigger, so if you're detail oriented the difference is night and day - not to mention the conversion work required to even put them on. Following, in the picture provided, you can clearly see the difference in length of arm for the powerfist arm and the gun holding arm. Specifically, the primaris line tends to focus on the division of body parts - namely, the elbows & their articulation is much more emphasized than the older lines. So again, while it is possible to glue on older kit to newer kits, it's quite orkish. See Tor Garadon & Primaris Calgar for what primaris sized powerfists look like.

When I hear new kits, I picture a full new mono-pose kits, not simple headswaps and heraldry add ons.

Quit moving goal posts. Your claim was GW isn't doing the sort of upgrade kits I mentioned, which is false. I also brought up the fact that the Primaris are more customizable than people give them credit for using old Marine parts because that's a common misconception I've seen. It's not 1:1 on every bit, but there are more things you can share between old and new kits than people expect.

And Tor's Powerfist is bigger than even an Aggressor which makes it a bad comparison, while Calgar's powerfists have always been a bit on the large size due to the scale of the old models.

EDIT: Additionally, the arms of kitbash are actually roughly the same length. The powerfist arm is bent and pulled back which puts the elbow a bit higher up, but it doesn't make the arm itself significantly shorter.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Quit moving goal posts. Your claim was GW isn't doing the sort of upgrade kits I mentioned, which is false. I also brought up the fact that the Primaris are more customizable than people give them credit for using old Marine parts because that's a common misconception I've seen. It's not 1:1 on every bit, but there are more things you can share between old and new kits than people expect.

And Tor's Powerfist is bigger than even an Aggressor which makes it a bad comparison, while Calgar's powerfists have always been a bit on the large size due to the scale of the old models.

EDIT: Additionally, the arms of kitbash are actually roughly the same length. The powerfist arm is bent and pulled back which puts the elbow a bit higher up, but it doesn't make the arm itself significantly shorter.

Rather, my words were taken and twisted in a sense best served for your purposes. General GW trend since 8th ed is 'release new kits for existing lines,' much like what happened during transition from 2nd ed to 3rd ed. We see this apparent in SM, CSM & Aeldari. The upgrade sprues work ONLY for SM lines, specifically to make the generic primaris line chapter specific. The GSG kit is only example where we see faction specific 'upgrades' - but to me, simple headswap hardly counts as a new 'kit' - it's a customization 'sprue'.

As far as it concerns IG and this post, I can't imagine GW releasing base body for infantry squad. Actually, at this point, they may just make everything generic, which would undoubtedly add onto factors that would make people leave this game.

When parts are not 1:1 on every bit, then it is not interchangable. GW made it clear the only the head and shoulderpads were made compatible and this is true. My hate for primaris led me to try to fit the new boltguns on old marines to play them as count as primaris - it doesn't look good at all where the width of the hand is as wide as the wrist plate. Conversely, when you put the new boltguns on old hands, the proportions don't really work out either.

Even stermguard plastic kit arms are not FULLY compatible with old line because the arms on the tac marine likes are oddly short.

If you feel that characters' PF is a bad comparison, then compare it to the PF that comes in IF upgrade sprue.

The PF on the conversion is knuckle length shorter. Generally, PF hand comes longer than non PF hand so it should be at least knuckle length longer. If it works for you that's fine but for many, it looks and feels incompatible.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Quit moving goal posts. Your claim was GW isn't doing the sort of upgrade kits I mentioned, which is false. I also brought up the fact that the Primaris are more customizable than people give them credit for using old Marine parts because that's a common misconception I've seen. It's not 1:1 on every bit, but there are more things you can share between old and new kits than people expect.

And Tor's Powerfist is bigger than even an Aggressor which makes it a bad comparison, while Calgar's powerfists have always been a bit on the large size due to the scale of the old models.

EDIT: Additionally, the arms of kitbash are actually roughly the same length. The powerfist arm is bent and pulled back which puts the elbow a bit higher up, but it doesn't make the arm itself significantly shorter.

Rather, my words were taken and twisted in a sense best served for your purposes. General GW trend since 8th ed is 'release new kits for existing lines,' much like what happened during transition from 2nd ed to 3rd ed. We see this apparent in SM, CSM & Aeldari. The upgrade sprues work ONLY for SM lines, specifically to make the generic primaris line chapter specific. The GSG kit is only example where we see faction specific 'upgrades' - but to me, simple headswap hardly counts as a new 'kit' - it's a customization 'sprue'.

When parts are not 1:1 on every bit, then it is not interchangable. GW made it clear the only the head and shoulderpads were made compatible and this is true. My hate for primaris led me to try to fit the new boltguns on old marines to play them as count as primaris - it doesn't look good at all where the width of the hand is as wide as the wrist plate. Conversely, when you put the new boltguns on old hands, the proportions don't really work out either.

Even stermguard plastic kit arms are not FULLY compatible with old line because the arms on the tac marine likes are oddly short.

If you feel that characters' PF is a bad comparison, then compare it to the PF that comes in IF upgrade sprue.

The PF on the conversion is knuckle length shorter. Generally, PF hand comes longer than non PF hand so it should be at least knuckle length longer. If it works for you that's fine but for many, it looks and feels incompatible.

The upgrade sprue idea I mentioned fits clearly in line with the Space Marine and Brood Brothers upgrade sprues. The statement I said was that the best move would standardizing all the regiments to share the same core, and then use upgrade sprues to make things different. Swap heads, give different looking melee weapons, maybe some other accessories like banners, ect. It's not out of line with what exists and yet you're trying to spin it like what I said is more in line with the old Black Templar upgrade sprue which is definitely not the same.

The issue with most of the arm swaps isn't that the old arms are too short, it's that the pose they sit in doesn't match the thicker torso the new Marines have. The arm length between Primaris and regular Marines is very slightly in terms of difference, likely due to how the heroice scale the old Marines were made with lead to less than realistic proportions.

And the PF difference is maybe 2mm difference? Still in the realm of reasonable in terms of fitting and can be handwaved as an older mark chapter relic rather than a newer Cawl Pattern model.

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

Are the DKOK are slightly smaller? It seems reasonable to make new kit in line with their FW kits.

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

Are the DKOK are slightly smaller? It seems reasonable to make new kit in line with their FW kits.

They're in line with the Guard in terms of scale, but their proportions are far more realistic so they look smaller.