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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Imagine if they could just convert every other faction player to space marines? Just think of the sales!!!!

Coming soon from GW:

Primarinids
Orkaris
Drukaris
Aedaris
Primiquins
Imprimaris Guard
Chaos Primaris Marines
Necronis
The P'rimaris Empire
Adeptus Primstodes
Adepta Primaritas
Adeptus Primaricus
Primaris Daemons

Primaris all the time!

No i meant flat out keep choking the life out of non marine faction until more people switch over and so they can just squat everything else. Horus Heresy in the 42nd millenium. You know this is gee duwwbs ceo's wet dream lol.

Just think about it man... No more pesky neckbeards moaning about never getting support or balance. Just. Space. Marines.. And sales... sales everywhere... they are on track for HH42k

So new guard kit wont kill 40k. But might kill guard. Its a win win fir geeeww duuubs.

 BertBert wrote:
It's a reasonable expectation to buy your army again every 5-10 years. Current guard look like chubby toddlers.

No. It isn't. Plastic and metal should last 50,000years. Unless WW3 or a local Fukushima, there should be zero reason to have to rebuild armies made of plastic and metal.


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Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

Yeah. I am not sure how to rhink about it. Adeptus Restartes are heresy. This is a given. Does this mean that my proper marines are traitors or does it mean that they are loyalist except in the rule books.


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 Trickstick wrote:
The Cadian kit is so much better than the old metal models. The amount of conversions that I have done with the plastics is insane. Can you imagine converting a metal lasgunner to a plasma gunner, and how much work that is? With a plastic kit you can do it in a few minutes.

These materials are NOT mutually exclusive. I loved the old metals and the multipart cadians and have some of both. I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions. At the same time there is the IP no model no rule madness that takes all the fun out of customizing models in the context of the game regardless. Just not a great time for the converting and customizing aspects of the hobby... not imo anyways.

 Trickstick wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
What new Imperial Guard troop kit? Know something we don’t?

No. It's a badly worded title that makes you jump to the conclusion that there has been some sort of evidence of a new kit.

Thought it was pure clickbait.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
There's no rule that states that you must use the latest model though. If you want to use the old models that's fine.

The current guard aren't great, but I'm more bothered by the lack of variety when it comes to regiments.
Remember when we had Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians and Steel Legions on shelves instead of just Cadians and Catachans (which, imo, are quite dull aesthetically speaking)? I remember.

I do indeed. It's why I'll never need to buy another IG figure in my life. Unless I want to of course.....

 jeff white wrote:
I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions.

I really hate those new plastics. Every Cadian I have looks different, other than a few metal plasma/melta. However, the pose on those is pretty generic so it isn't so bad. However, seeing someone with three copies of the new Commissar just makes me sad.

This thread just prompted me to re-introduce my lil metal Imperial Assassins back onto the table. So cute!

 Trickstick wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions.

I really hate those new plastics. Every Cadian I have looks different, other than a few metal plasma/melta. However, the pose on those is pretty generic so it isn't so bad. However, seeing someone with three copies of the new Commissar just makes me sad.

I 100% agree. Having three identical characters because there's only one kit and it's monopose is just the absolute worst.


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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
This thread just prompted me to re-introduce my lil metal Imperial Assassins back onto the table. So cute!

I prefer those ones because they're not attached to architectural features.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
This thread just prompted me to re-introduce my lil metal Imperial Assassins back onto the table. So cute!

Which one you have? I know that there were two generations of the temple assassins, and probably some rogue trader era "assassins". I have an Eversor, the 2nd version holding a head. Nice model, I used to use it as Marbo before I got the metal one.

 Trickstick wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions.

I really hate those new plastics. Every Cadian I have looks different, other than a few metal plasma/melta. However, the pose on those is pretty generic so it isn't so bad. However, seeing someone with three copies of the new Commissar just makes me sad.

As opposed to before, when we had a multipart poseable commissar?

My metal commissar is holding a powerfist in the air while standing on a rock and reading a book. The new commissar is much more generically posed, and he's made out of plastic, so if I wanted to swap out his equipment for something else for variety I'd just have to snip his weapon off, or snip his hand off at the wrist.

the_scotsman wrote:
As opposed to before, when we had a multipart poseable commissar?

My metal commissar is holding a powerfist in the air while standing on a rock and reading a book. The new commissar is much more generically posed, and he's made out of plastic, so if I wanted to swap out his equipment for something else for variety I'd just have to snip his weapon off, or snip his hand off at the wrist.

Well you used to have like 5 different commissars you could buy in stores.

Have you not seen the Necromunds minis? I dont know about the others, but Van Saar Im pretty sure are the same height as Cadians just much more proportionate. (thinner) I have to check when Im home but even then, youre badly over-stating the effect it will have on the game.

Tanks will not be getting redone just to match the scale of the troops. If they did, Space Marine vehicles would have been updated like 20 times in the last few years. Also, vehicles always were out of scale anyways


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ccs wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

Well then for the love of God learn from the past & DON'T COMPLETE YOUR ARMY!

Then what the hell is he supposed to do? Draw models instead?

123ply wrote:

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ccs wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

Well then for the love of God learn from the past & DON'T COMPLETE YOUR ARMY!

Then what the hell is he supposed to do? Draw models instead?

Smile at the joke like you should've done.

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

Okay Chicken Little.

At this point, between cultists, new BSF renegades, GSC, Sisters, Necromunda, Rogue Trader etc, it's Cadians that look like wacky out of scale monster men with their huge heads and world of warcraft shoulderpads and their impossibly stubby arms, huge feet and scrumpled up potato faces.

Catachans at least lean in to the spin. You know what you're looking at when you see a catachan. They're like a poorly drawn cartoon of a muscleman. A cadian is just a monster.

the_scotsman wrote:
A cadian is just a monster.

Maybe Cadia wasn't the best place to grow up. Having the Eye of Terror in your sky could have some odd effects...

Yeah, no. Not even remotely true.

BSF traitor Guard show this to be utter nonsense.

See, they’re made from a CAD file, yeah? Which for sake of efficiency, will likely mean a single master file, which can than be digitally resculpted into different variants.

Also from a "realism" point of view (mind the ") I wouldn't bother. IG regiments hail from a million worlds and we have male median height differences between 183 cm (netherlands) and 160 (East Timor) on earth. And regarding the tanks: I don't know how this is handled elsewhere but here the average tank drivers are usually siginifantly under the median height. So I don't see why the tanks would have to be upsized just because the infantry gets a bit bigger.

Re tanks.... Peple consistently overestimate the size of a tank, and under estimate the size of an airplane. The former try to be as small as possible, many WW2 designs are tiny. Modern jets though as massive, check out the size of an F-15 for example.

 Trickstick wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
As opposed to before, when we had a multipart poseable commissar?

My metal commissar is holding a powerfist in the air while standing on a rock and reading a book. The new commissar is much more generically posed, and he's made out of plastic, so if I wanted to swap out his equipment for something else for variety I'd just have to snip his weapon off, or snip his hand off at the wrist.

Well you used to have like 5 different commissars you could buy in stores.

Whereas now there's only 3 (finecast 'Lord Commissar', metal with Power Fist & book, and plastic 'Officio Prefectus Commissar')?


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Rogue Trader / 2nd had ten different Commissar models.

 jeff white wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
It's a reasonable expectation to buy your army again every 5-10 years. Current guard look like chubby toddlers.

No. It isn't. Plastic and metal should last 50,000years. Unless WW3 or a local Fukushima, there should be zero reason to have to rebuild armies made of plastic and metal.

It's not about the sustainability of materials but the business model. Factions get re-released, so you buy new stuff and keep their business going. Changes in scale are precisely done to facilitate this and it's something you will have to live with.

In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

 skchsan wrote:
In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

Most of the faction is relatively fine and any rerelease we'd see would be on those 3rd ed plastic kits, not the stuff that came after.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

Most of the faction is relatively fine and any rerelease we'd see would be on those 3rd ed plastic kits, not the stuff that came after.

I don't know. From what we can gather from past experiences, I say anything is a fair game for new IG releases.

I can totally see a 'primaris guardsmen' with statline on par with primaris marine with 1 less Sv, equipped with 'Helshot Lasgun' with RP1 S4 AP-1 D1 @ 8 pts a model. I seriously would not be surprised.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

Most of the faction is relatively fine and any rerelease we'd see would be on those 3rd ed plastic kits, not the stuff that came after.

I don't know. From what we can gather from past experiences, I say anything is a fair game for new IG releases.

I can totally see a 'primaris guardsmen' with statline on par with primaris marine with 1 less Sv, equipped with 'Helshot Lasgun' with RP1 S4 AP-1 D1 @ 8 pts a model. I seriously would not be surprised.

I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

I couldn't agree more. I'm already holding on by a thread. The Primaris Marines really started a landslide of disinterest for me. Psychic Awakening pushed me even further away. GW is setting a lot of very dangerous precedents with their actions these days.

I'm seeing my local scene dry up and at an alarmingly fast rate. For example, my local GW store has gone from being regularly overcrowded to regularly completely vacant.

 oni wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

I couldn't agree more. I'm already holding on by a thread. The Primaris Marines really started a landslide of disinterest for me. Psychic Awakening pushed me even further away. GW is setting a lot of very dangerous precedents with their actions these days.

I'm seeing my local scene dry up and at an alarmingly fast rate. For example, my local GW store has gone from being regularly overcrowded to regularly completely vacant.

PA is a fast and dirty update method for the codexes over just 2.0ing the books without a real model release. The release schedule with no new models was already getting GW some backlash, so I assume they're doing this to try and level the playing field with some rules updates before they go back to a slower release schedule.

And since they just updated CSM, I don't think Chaos Primaris are anywhere in the cards, and even if they are I'd bet on Renegade Primaris over upgrading the old legions.

 oni wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

I couldn't agree more. I'm already holding on by a thread. The Primaris Marines really started a landslide of disinterest for me. Psychic Awakening pushed me even further away. GW is setting a lot of very dangerous precedents with their actions these days.

I'm seeing my local scene dry up and at an alarmingly fast rate. For example, my local GW store has gone from being regularly overcrowded to regularly completely vacant.

This is kind of a to each her own thing.

I had basically minimal interest is doing much with my Space Wolves until Shadowspear and Tacti-cool marines came out, and now I'm pretty excited about picking up all the other stuff for them. I've been holding off buying a executioner because it's stupid expensive for being not-as-big-as-a-baneblade, but it's really damn cool and I really want one, and I'm just also excited about SW again in general.

jeff white wrote:Adeptus Restartes are heresy. This is a given.

Not, they're not, and no, it's not a given.

Opinions aren't facts.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

jeff white wrote:Adeptus Restartes are heresy. This is a given.

Not, they're not, and no, it's not a given.

This too is an opinion. History is always written in the perspective of the winner, but that doesn't necessarily make history true. It just shows who won.

For all we know, the 'traitor' bands could've caught a whiff of what emperor and girlyman were up to and started a revolution to overthrow them.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.

If you search for "upgrade" on GW's site you get 29 results with most of them being after 8th edition launched, to include the Brood Brother upgrade for IG to make them fit in line with GSC. What you said it not only wrong, but it's so far off the mark it's falling off it's own little flat earth.

And that's not even getting into kit compatibility stuff like how I can slap a Sanguinary Guard Powerfist onto an Intercessor with no issue: