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General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

How do the traitor guard from Blackstone compare?

The blackstone traitor guard are great. They're smaller than Cadians in proportions, in that they look like actual human beings comparatively. But if you made new Cadians in that scale as well you would be able to mix them in with your original 20 year old Cadian Plastics and they would look fine, their worst flaw being that they look so much better than the old plastics.

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

Right. But does' that mean the game has died multiple deaths each time they released new Space Marine Tactical Squad models and had to increase the size of all Space Marine vehicles?

Oh, wait. They only resized the Rhino once and the game didn't die.

Oh, well.

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

How tall are skitarii in comparison to a guardsman? They are the closest new army that is also human. If skitarii are significantly taller than sure

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Dakka: "We want new guard kits!"

GW: "Ok here you go"

Dakka: "No, not like that!"

And, no, she is not wildly taller. She's standing on a god damn rock and has a giant hat.

What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

 fraser1191 wrote:

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

How tall are skitarii in comparison to a guardsman? They are the closest new army that is also human. If skitarii are significantly taller than sure

Similar height, but they're not so chunky so they look taller.

Ah yes.. the same guy who thinks eldar should be squatted because he don't like them...

40k is a tardigrade. You can boil it, irradiate it, burn it.. but nothing will kill it.

 bullyboy wrote:
Lol at OP, his posts up to this point have been somewhat doom and gloom with zero substance to back up his outlandish claims. Nothing really to see here, relax.

True as that may be, I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

ccs wrote:
What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

It's an Artel mini.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Lol at OP, his posts up to this point have been somewhat doom and gloom with zero substance to back up his outlandish claims. Nothing really to see here, relax.

True as that may be, I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

ccs wrote:
What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

It's an Artel mini.

Nah I think its all part of the plan and it just means GW is closer to achieving its goal.. Everyone will be pushed to being a Space Marines. WHy bother supporting non-SM factions when you can just get those people switch to space marines because they are cheaper and better?
Imagine if they could just convert every other faction player to space marines? Just think of the sales!!!!

 Argive wrote:
Imagine if they could just convert every other faction player to space marines? Just think of the sales!!!!

Coming soon from GW:

Primarinids
Orkaris
Drukaris
Aedaris
Primiquins
Imprimaris Guard
Chaos Primaris Marines
Necronis
The P'rimaris Empire
Adeptus Primstodes
Adepta Primaritas
Adeptus Primaricus
Primaris Daemons

Primaris all the time!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

 Melissia wrote:
40k's been being "killed" since as far back as I can remember, and I can remember in to the nineties.

I think it'll be fine. And I doubt they'll make Catachan somehow the end-all, be-all of models.

Look at sisters for example, whom are certainly better than they've ever been, but are hardly OMGWTFBBQ overpowered.

Eeeeh...Did you read the OP? Like even once? Wasn't particularly long post to read.

He's not talking about game power. He's not saying we are going to get 2 pts S4 T4 troops that shoot rapid fire 5 S5 -3 shots. He's talking about SCALE CREEP of models. He's saying he expects models to be head taller making them incompatible with models like with sisters(good comparison there) where plastics are pretty much spot on head taller to old metals.

Doubt it gets that bad but price will be nastier. 35£ as a minimum for 10 will certainly make collecting IG lot harder.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

you say that but there are already CSM players doing the "why can't we have them too?"

From a miniature perspective you could say we already have them...

BrianDavion wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

you say that but there are already CSM players doing the "why can't we have them too?"

Well I ain't fething one of them.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
From a miniature perspective you could say we already have them...

More true scale models is fine. But Chaos Space Marines are ancient embittered warriors who strike from the very mouth of hell to wreak havoc upon the empire that failed them. Not shiny new overgrown muscle heads with tacticool armour.

Well, if they do, I'll just use the new kits as well as my older metals. Because I can.

(BTW: the 2nd/3rd Ed Cadians make a great custom regiment).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

This is most likely. Almost certain. Points down and prices up plus global economic recession (for whatever reason, depending on who you read - virus, state level economic terrorism via proxy, unpayable debt-bubbles, etc) seems to imply that Primaricus Imperius Guardicus collectors will feel quite the rock-and-hard-place pinch...

 jeff white wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

This is most likely. Almost certain. Points down and prices up plus global economic recession (for whatever reason, depending on who you read - virus, state level economic terrorism via proxy, unpayable debt-bubbles, etc) seems to imply that Primaricus Imperius Guardicus collectors will feel quite the rock-and-hard-place pinch...

Honestly, the GSC neophytes will probably be the price standard for them.
And they ain't excactly cheap. Don't get me wrong, great set and all but price / point ratio is not good for GSC, i can't imagine what a guard player will pay beeing more reliant on infantry for the job then monsters and elites.

EVEN WORSE it will turn out when traitor guard show up / lost and the damned, beeing historically an Infantry horde army with highlighting put on the horde.




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Gadzilla666 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

you say that but there are already CSM players doing the "why can't we have them too?"

Well I ain't fething one of them.

Chaos primaris marines? I mean i wouldn't be opposed to them in the context of let's say renegade chapters.
I also wouldn't be opposed to stolen goods for weaponry.

But i am also not really of the opinion we need them. Also further fun fact you can pretty much mix and match CSM with primaris if you feel so inclined for better CSM models. (I am especially a sucker for the boltguns, which are imo the only really outstanding thing that primaris have over CSM, because whilest i have nothing against beltfed guns, i prefer magazines )

 jeff white wrote:
This is most likely. Almost certain. Points down and prices up plus global economic recession (for whatever reason, depending on who you read - virus, state level economic terrorism via proxy, unpayable debt-bubbles, etc) seems to imply that Primaricus Imperius Guardicus collectors will feel quite the rock-and-hard-place pinch...

Well as long as we don't have some sort of massive disruption to the British export situation any time soon, things should be fine...

If anything the out of this world price may hurt new guard players, that'll be about it as they'll insanely expensive for cheap chaff troops.

A new kit would convince me to collect Guard. The only reason I don't are the old, badly proportioned models.

You know what I always say, a person who can't find decent Imperial Guard infantry miniatures from an alternative producer isn't trying hard enough.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
You know what I always say, a person who can't find decent Imperial Guard infantry miniatures from an alternative producer isn't trying hard enough.

And if I want to use it at a Warhammer World event I can't. So no for me

It's a reasonable expectation to buy your army again every 5-10 years. Current guard look like chubby toddlers.

There's no rule that states that you must use the latest model though. If you want to use the old models that's fine.

The current guard aren't great, but I'm more bothered by the lack of variety when it comes to regiments.
Remember when we had Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians and Steel Legions on shelves instead of just Cadians and Catachans (which, imo, are quite dull aesthetically speaking)? I remember.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Primaris Daemons

That actually sounds kind of cool. Like a mini-boss level demon.

Back in those days we had metal models.

You can thank all the people who made metal models be replaced by plastic for lack of variety in regiments.

They were great, loved the Tallarns and Mordians myself but we should also remember that there was little to no customability (did I invent that word? ) on special/heavy weapon loadouts and they took a skilled modeller to convert.

The Cadian kit is so much better than the old metal models. The amount of conversions that I have done with the plastics is insane. Can you imagine converting a metal lasgunner to a plasma gunner, and how much work that is? With a plastic kit you can do it in a few minutes.

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
40k's been being "killed" since as far back as I can remember, and I can remember in to the nineties.

I think it'll be fine. And I doubt they'll make Catachan somehow the end-all, be-all of models.

Look at sisters for example, whom are certainly better than they've ever been, but are hardly OMGWTFBBQ overpowered.

Eeeeh...Did you read the OP? Like even once? Wasn't particularly long post to read.

He's not talking about game power. He's not saying we are going to get 2 pts S4 T4 troops that shoot rapid fire 5 S5 -3 shots. He's talking about SCALE CREEP of models. He's saying he expects models to be head taller making them incompatible with models like with sisters(good comparison there) where plastics are pretty much spot on head taller to old metals.

Doubt it gets that bad but price will be nastier. 35£ as a minimum for 10 will certainly make collecting IG lot harder.

Except that the new sisters were replacing ancient old metal minis and Cadians are the exact same height and size of all the recent human-scale figures.

If anything one of the new BSF traitor guardsmen looks smaller than a cadian because the shoulderpads and helmet aren't Spaceballs Trooper sized.

*and, unlike primaris marines, a lot of the height differential with new sisters is the new base. I've seen an army that's a mix of both. On the same bases, the sisters and repentia are very similar, while the seraphim are obviously way taller because...they're on actual flying bases now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ccs wrote:
What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

It's an Artel mini.

And Gunner Jurgen from the Ciaphas Cain books. Loads of pouches, meltagun, flask of tea and a slice of toast? That's Jurgen.

What I don't understand is why GW can release boxes for AoS of infantry with 20 man boxes for 40€ (Like Morterk Guard or Tzeentch Cultists) and then in GW the prices are always so much more expensive. Is insane.