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 Togusa wrote:
Who do you think is winning the battle of the big guns? All of these kits will be available as push fit models – which is good because you’re going to want a lot of them. We can safely say these are hardly the last new kits you’ll see for both Primaris Space Marines and Necrons, including multipart kits, big centrepiece models, and more vehicles. Stay tuned for more information as soon as we have it

I wonder what else is coming?

Big centerpiece model- Silent King on barge
More vehicles- new Monolith

No idea for primaris

Well we know that the Primaris not-Landspeeder is still to come.

Plastic Thunderhawk confirmed!

Honestly, marines don’t have big centerpiece models. Not generic ones anyway. Guiliman (and eventually any of his brother primarchs that show up) is pretty much it. FW sells some super heavy tanks, but I don’t see anything bigger then a LR/Repulsor coming out of GW proper in plastic.

The gun turret is a weird for me. It's not like we don't have a techmarine manning a TF cannon previously, but the fact that he actually has to sit on it and aim it....instead of using all of his sensors and controlling it remotely? That part I don't get. Weapon choice is an odd one too. You have suppressors....so why a techmarine with a gun that does what 2 suppressors do just fine? Seems like a lot of unnecessary bloat. An indirect fire weapon might have been better. Eldar tech in this area just looks so much better.

The quad is just butt ugly, no getting around it. I don't think it's beyond hope though, it's just the front that needs work. The wheels nee to be brought forward and maybe closer together (thinking of making it a trike). The bolters need to be elevated, unless the only use for them is kneecapping. They should have been up toward the top of the shield, the way that bolters fit onto current bikes. Like the gun turret, I'm not sure it's a weapon system that's needed (think I'd prefer to stick with landspeeder assault cannon and heavy bolter). The MM option is especially odd. I guess I don't get the Primaris design philosophy sometimes. You get tanks and dreads with just weapons everywhere, then they add this and cut the firepower way down to old marine levels (which I'm fine with, shooting with a repulsor is just a nightmare, so dumb). I just wish it were consistent. The quad should have had some type of grenade firing weapon too.

The marines inside the box are all good for me. They won't go in the same armies for sure, but I hope I won't need more than one copy (Dark Angels, Ravenguard, Deathwatch). My Ravenguard are all infantry so the Eradicators will be great as I need the extra AT. The bikes will definitely go to my Ravenwing. The assault intercessors will probably go to my Ravenguard, or Deathwatch (depending on what is allowed for Deathwatch...it was said they could use these contents). Not sure on the Ancient. Bladeguard probably to the Dark Angels..they have the vibe. Judiciar to the Dark Angels. Not sure on Chaplain. Lt and captain to Dark Angels.
Again, any of those character might be great for the Deathwatch too, just not sure. Financially I don't think I can justify 2 boxes.

I shall be abbreviating turret quadbike to turdbike

 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Absolutely hate that buggy. Wish they had gone with a polaris slingshot as the base (basically 3 wheeled, whether a reversed trike or not).

Also, the turret strikes me as completely against Marine doctrine. Marines are supposed to be a mobile strike force, that was why the Thunderfire was on treads. Unless those are antigrav plates that allow it to move about, how is it even getting to the battlefield? Furthermore, looks like someone just took a glacis plate from a mark I rhino and glued on two spare lascannons left over from a LR crusader kit. It's a very boring model.

I've collected just about all the marine models - including primaris up until recently and the 9E models just don't tickle my fancy.

Marines do several things. If they were really that much about being a mobile strike force, Devastators and footslogging Dreads wouldn't be a thing. Remember: walking =/= mobile

They Drop Pod and airlift Dreds, and Devs do both of those plus use Rhinos, etc. Marines remain a mobile strike force with Devs and Dreads.

Dropping disposeable robotic turrets like the tarantula makes more sense than a guy in an immobile chair.

Not if those Drop Pods aren't taken in your list and the Devastators are sitting in a fortification of some kind. Oh look, a niche for the Turret right there.

Also if the Techmarine is shooting better in the chair it makes more sense than the computers.

Really like the bikes - definitely going to get those! The Assault Primaris look intriguing as well.

Soulless wrote:
Bikes as combat vehicles is the most stupid thing ever, especially when the rider is a space marine wielding a sword...wtf...I know there are old models like this but in redoing them I figured theyd make them resonable, this is like a 5yo came up with it...

How so? Bikes (except for the stupid quad thing) are fine in 40k. I feel this needs drilling in again, despite a lot of the new minis making this obvious (or do we have memories of goldfish and think Marines are tacticool now? Even basic Intercessors have a bloody tilting plate... ) Space Marines are knights in space. The bike is subbed in for the horse in this case.

They finally released Primaris that look cool.

The new Sword/Shield guys look awesome.

The rest of it is pretty bland, but it's at least a start.

I'm going to have to add a lot of skulls, tabards, wings, purity seals, bling etc. to make them look proper.

Knights in space, finally.

Sorry, we've had Primaris that looked cool since the Phobos stuff dropped!

Oh, you mean that look cool to you?


But for reals:
The nonsense about them 'looking proper' or 'knights in space' is no different than non-Primaris stuff. If you're getting Chapter upgrade gubbins or going out and detailing stuff yourself, you'll get stuff you like. I'm personally glad they went fairly plain to start with because removing all that nonsense was one of the harder parts for me finding a Raven Guard list I liked before.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Soulless wrote:
Bikes as combat vehicles is the most stupid thing ever, especially when the rider is a space marine wielding a sword...wtf...I know there are old models like this but in redoing them I figured theyd make them resonable, this is like a 5yo came up with it...

How so? Bikes (except for the stupid quad thing) are fine in 40k. I feel this needs drilling in again, despite a lot of the new minis making this obvious (or do we have memories of goldfish and think Marines are tacticool now? Even basic Intercessors have a bloody tilting plate... ) Space Marines are knights in space. The bike is subbed in for the horse in this case.

I don’t mind the bikes, jut wish they put the weapons on some sort of mechanism to move and turn, so they don’t need a heavy bike direction to be right on target. And I think it would fit marines to have that over another bike guy holding a pistal like a derp.

Sorry, we've had Primaris that looked cool since the Phobos stuff dropped!

Oh, so you mean looked cool to YOU.

See what I did there?

The quad really suffers from the photo they're using to advertise it being taken at a terrible angle. It looks better in the turntable shots from the video, but I'd still do some reworking if I ever got one. Rotate the arms that hold the back wheels (I assume they rotate, based on that round bit) and figure out a way to angle the front wheels down as well to give it some actual ground clearance. Then maybe ditch the gunner and convert the mounted gun into a razorback style turret that included the bolt rifles (leaving a tiny cargo area that'd get filled with spare kit for the quad and accompanying bikes), but just giving it some height might be enough. It does match the new bikes, though, and manages to be less ridiculous than an attack bike, at least.

As for the Assault Intercessors, if you look at their sprues you can see that they're only monopose if you lack the means of getting them off the sprue in the first place. Clipping them at the flat shoulder joint and ball socket of the neck (instead of clipping slightly back and leaving the little plastic pin) gets you multi-pose kits with zero effort. Legs and torsos are matched, but that's it. I can see whipping up some running guys with bolt rifles, at least, unless foot slogging melee somehow becomes usable in 9th (not that I see losing the rifle on a unit with three attacks already is really ever going to be worth it).

Sadly, it looks like those enormous holsters are going to be a little annoying to remove from the shield guys, as they're molded to the robes on two of them (though a few scrolls will cover my sins). At least on the Intercessors they're hanging off to one side with minimal attachment points and should be easy to pop off before assembly. I know they fit the heroic scale weapons 40k uses, but they just focus too much light on the oddities we accept for the scale.

I'm not seeing where people are getting Ultramarine aesthetics, though. All the extra bling is BT or DA styled, not the light roman-y bits the Ultras use. There's not a single crested helmet or pteruge anywhere.

I mean, I didn't exactly make it a secret that I think Phobos stuff looks cool. It's why I even added a winky face when I said that part. Opinions are opinions. You're welcome to want the busy, over the top look. I don't. It's why I've gone Primaris for my Raven Guard and will be sticking with Phobos and Intercessor styled stuff, avoiding the Blade Guard, Chaplains, etc. I'm digging the Eradicators though, and even the bikes have grown on me.

The difference is though that what you like versus what I like? You aren't going to have to resculpt swathes of areas to add to the design, where I will removing the extraneous stuff that makes them look like walking temples. There's bits that you might not have thought of looking at which can vastly improve an Intercessor for the more 'gothic' look you're after. There aren't really bits that allow for me to remove that gothic look.

Here I'll even help you with a few bits that you can likely beg, borrow, or steal that look great as tabards for Intercessors:

Those come two to a Venerable Dreadnought box and I genuinely can't think of too many people who likely used them. They're optional bits that don't like to stay on the Dreadnoughts themselves. But they fit perfectly on Intercessors! One of the GW Community team used them in a White Dwarf(September 2018 "A Return to Middle Earth") for part of his Deathwatch Kill-Team, alongside of the Venerable Dreadnought 'Crusader' styled helm to make some Black Templars.

I mean, I didn't exactly make it a secret that I think Phobos stuff looks cool. It's why I even added a winky face when I said that part. Opinions are opinions. You're welcome to want the busy, over the top look. I don't. It's why I've gone Primaris for my Raven Guard and will be sticking with Phobos and Intercessor styled stuff, avoiding the Blade Guard, Chaplains, etc. I'm digging the Eradicators though, and even the bikes have grown on me.

Thats fair. Sorry, I thought it might be a winky face. I moused over it but it didn't say what it was. Sometimes the Orkmoticons are hard to read.

Thank you for your conversion suggestions. I'll look into those.

I've been currently trying to figure out how to kit bash Repulsars and Exorsists/Immolators together.

 bullyboy wrote:
The gun turret is a weird for me. It's not like we don't have a techmarine manning a TF cannon previously, but the fact that he actually has to sit on it and aim it....instead of using all of his sensors and controlling it remotely? That part I don't get. Weapon choice is an odd one too. You have suppressors....so why a techmarine with a gun that does what 2 suppressors do just fine? Seems like a lot of unnecessary bloat. An indirect fire weapon might have been better. Eldar tech in this area just looks so much better.

More so than the Thunderfire Cannon, what confuses and irritates me is that they keep adding Heresy era throwback elements to the Primaris but then we just get this stationary turret thing.
It could easily have been a Primaris update to the Rapier...

I think I'll probably have to get one or two of the turrets just to mount on treads and restore my own mental sanity.

Jack Flask wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
The gun turret is a weird for me. It's not like we don't have a techmarine manning a TF cannon previously, but the fact that he actually has to sit on it and aim it....instead of using all of his sensors and controlling it remotely? That part I don't get. Weapon choice is an odd one too. You have suppressors....so why a techmarine with a gun that does what 2 suppressors do just fine? Seems like a lot of unnecessary bloat. An indirect fire weapon might have been better. Eldar tech in this area just looks so much better.

More so than the Thunderfire Cannon, what confuses and irritates me is that they keep adding Heresy era throwback elements to the Primaris but then we just get this stationary turret thing.
It could easily have been a Primaris update to the Rapier...

I think I'll probably have to get one or two of the turrets just to mount on treads and restore my own mental sanity.

What confuses and irritates me is that they keep adding Heresy era throwback elements to the primaris but not to the faction who actually fought in the Heresy. *Cough* csm *cough*

Why is the ammo feed for the platform gun outside the gunshield? That seems....illogical. Clearing jams and evem reloading is going to be hard without anti - KISS features.

From the Indomitus box, I like the look of the "not-Cassius" Chaplain model. Feels a bit more in line with older designs compared to the original trenchcoat-sporting Primaris Chaplain. No real interest in the rest, but I do like the look of the bikes and assault Intercessors.

My Marines are a homebrew Fists successor based around fortification and counter-siege, so I already had lore justification for Tarantulas. The new turrets are basically a 2-for-1 deal for me: good potential for a plastic Tarantula/unmanned turret conversion while also supplying bits for a Primaris Techmarine conversion I've had planned for a while now.

The ATV is remarkably...fine, I guess? The memes have been hilarious, but the design isn't that bad. Will probably pick one up eventually just to convert it for fun - thinking raised suspension, armor for the front wheels, moving the gun to a rail-style mount like on the Land Speeder, and possibly a Stormhawk-style armored driver's compartment or Invictor-style roll cage.

Siegfriedfr wrote:The whole paladin aesthetic (sword, shield, knighty look)

Only one Grey Knight has a shield, and that's a special character. Meanwhile, storm shields have been widely available to Space Marines for decades, and the beaver-style helmet was already long in use by Black Templars. And, again, Space Marines are also pretty well described as "knights in space" - that's not a Grey Knight thing only.

What I'd call the "unique" features of Grey Knights is EVERYONE getting power weapons, wrist-mounted guns, and their psychic prowess. The helmets on one Veteran Space Marine squad don't mean that Grey Knights are loosing their uniqueness. I mean, look at the Emperor's Champion model! He looks VERY knightly, and he's been out for a VERY long time.

Also, ultramarines are (were?) roman-themed, not knight-themed.

Romans being well known for their shields. And these are *generic* models, not Ultramarine exclusive. These Marines can be designed as Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, even Space Wolves - and besides, can you really tell me that regular Mark VII Space Marines look "roman" to you?

Ultramarines have a greco-roman aesthetic, but it's not EVERYWHERE - it's usually relegated to unique units, or applied at the discretion of the hobbyist.

As i said, Primaris are vampirizing other armies thematics slowly but surely.

I mean, not really any more than Space Marines already did.

tauist wrote:• Sword & shield marines? Y no jump packs then if its a melee unit?

There's plenty of "melee" units with no jump packs. Honour Guard, for one, which I'm planning on using these Bladeguard as.

• Meltaguns? Srsly? Looks like modified bolt rifles to my eye, just with a cable and a melta muzzle attached

In much the same way that regular meltaguns don't exactly look far off from bolters (with, as said, a cable instead of a magazine, and the melta muzzle - I've outright used spare bolters to convert meltaguns, in fact!)

 Esmer wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:


I don't think the "old school" marines have much of a "deck out gothic aesthetic". It's largely as new as the new tacti-cool aesthetic outside of chapter specific models.

Does a Predator or Vindicator or old school Tactical/Devastator or etc. have a "decked out gothic aesthetic?" Like, that aesthetic is, I think, very chapter-specific to the Black Templars and Ultramarines.

Don't you mean "Black Templars and Dark Angels"?

I don't recall Ultras being traditionally gothic knights, as sombody else said, they always had a (subtle) Greco-Roman theme going on.

Sure. I've always thought of the UM as being pretty decked out in glitz, though, and DA as being shadowy Illuminati in cloaks with like obscured markings kind of guys.



The quad thing is growing on me. Specifically, the idea of an Onslaught Gatling Gun and 2 Bolt Rifles on a M14" W<10 cheap VEHICLE platform. In that capacity it'll be a nice vehicular alternative to a dreadnought. If only it could take a twin-linked AT weapon instead of a single multi-melta; and single multi-melta does not go far.

A bull bar and roll cage will drastically improve it's appearance to make it look a little more off-road dune-buggy and less go-kart. Here's hoping that given how dinky the thing is, it and the turrets will be sold 2 for 40 like Pengines are, because I actually want both of them [and a lot more than I want the rest of the box]


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Romans being well known for their shields. And these are *generic* models, not Ultramarine exclusive. These Marines can be designed as Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, even Space Wolves - and besides, can you really tell me that regular Mark VII Space Marines look "roman" to you?

Ultramarines have a greco-roman aesthetic, but it's not EVERYWHERE - it's usually relegated to unique units, or applied at the discretion of the hobbyist.

I definitely don't think the glitz on the bladeguard is very space wolf looking. I'll probably have to find a way to convert them to have axes and roundshields or something suitably vikingry.

Voss wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Who do you think is winning the battle of the big guns? All of these kits will be available as push fit models – which is good because you’re going to want a lot of them. We can safely say these are hardly the last new kits you’ll see for both Primaris Space Marines and Necrons, including multipart kits, big centrepiece models, and more vehicles. Stay tuned for more information as soon as we have it

I wonder what else is coming?

Big centerpiece model- Silent King on barge
More vehicles- new Monolith

No idea for primaris

If I had a wishlist, I'd like to see a replacement for the Whirlwind or a new type of dreadnought. Perhaps Drop Pod.

That primaris buggy is the lamest model I've seen them release in a long time.

Deadnight wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys,
I have just seen (eventually) all the new content and units in high quality, and I must say : those primaris look neat !
I have to say: FINALLY !
Do you now see why we were complaining about lack of gothic aesthetic earlier ? With models such as those, I could (and maybe will one day...) make a full primaris Black Templar army worthy of its predecessors. There isn't a lot to say, they are great sculpt with a beautiful aesthetic and I can finally see me buying primaris.
Has any of you noticed that / changed his mind ?

Nah, I go to into Primaris for the sleek looks of the first waves. I like clean armour, not taberknackles. Can't say I'm a huge fan of the over the to
Crusader look, but I a man glad folks that like that kind of stuff get theirs. Then again, I am a Raptors player and will adapt. I will concert my sword and shield dudes with third party stuff.

I cut so many seals off my DI primaris to keep the sleek look, and then they go release this! I think all the new models look cool but it does annoy me how there is now two very different aesthetics over the primaris range, and how I'm going to have a load of marines with this Indomitus iconography on them and loads without.

People say the quad is lame, but if it is undercosted for the gun it carries or has other gun options that are cheap and efficient, they are still going to buy them.

Do you mean to tell me that people will use fugly models if they're the most powerful choice?

I'm shocked! Shocked!

Hey, some people here say that armies are build based on how models look, and that it is the wrong way to play to pick stuff based on power.

It would be cool if the quad had some synergy or utility rule. Like all bikes in 6" get an X rule, or with in a certain range of the quad opponents can't reserve or get over watched etc.

If it is just an overcosted bike with a str 4 gun and two bolters, it ain't going to see much use. specialy if it is a non vehicle and get -1 to hit after move.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Do you mean to tell me that people will use fugly models if they're the most powerful choice?

I'm shocked! Shocked!

Yeah some WAAC dudes do that, but not everyone thankfully. I've never bought a model that I don't like and if I really wanted to field that ugly unit I've always converted it, see Flash Gitz or Weirdboyz as a reference. There isn't (and never will be) a single primaris in my SW army, I can't stand those big clunky dudes and no matter how competitve they are they'll never be part of my collection anyway.

Am I the only one who doesn't get the heavy Gothic aesthetic of the Primaris?

In the old Marines you're entering a 10 000 year history of venerated relics and technology that's bordering on Cargo Cult, you don't know any better because the mysticism surrounding both the tech and the relics is ingrained deeply into the ethos of the Chapter you are joining. You have relics, you have saints and iconography, history and everything that you're joining.

Along come Primaris. New out the vat with brand new equipment but the iconography and traditions of ages past?

Seems.... Illogical.

Kayback wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't get the heavy Gothic aesthetic of the Primaris?

In the old Marines you're entering a 10 000 year history of venerated relics and technology that's bordering on Cargo Cult, you don't know any better because the mysticism surrounding both the tech and the relics is ingrained deeply into the ethos of the Chapter you are joining. You have relics, you have saints and iconography, history and everything that you're joining.

Along come Primaris. New out the vat with brand new equipment but the iconography and traditions of ages past?

Seems.... Illogical.

Keep in mind that while the chapters are ancient, the marines themselves are not. Cassius is the oldest Ultramarine, and is 400 years old (ish, depending on timeline) and has seen multiple chapter masters.

IIRC the indominus crusade was a lengthy affair. You have primaris marines who might have started vat-fresh, but after 100 years fighting alongside their brothers, earned their veterancy. So why would a chapter not treat them the same way they would the rest of their kin? The old relics might not fit, but the chapter’s techmarines and artisans can work something up to match the valor of their larger brothers. Might incorperate fragments of old stuff, or new-forged to match the nature of the primaris.