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 Albertorius wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Nice video, but yes, whelming. I notice that in this and the 'Raptors can't spell armour' video the first thing to put on is the Mk 7 Servo-slippers. :-)

I expect that to be a byproduct of the fact they're aping the same video, the Starcraft 2 teaser, which started exactly the same way:

By aping Starcraft you mean they respect physics, right? Complete power armor supports its own weight. Assembly requires you to either start at the bottom so the mounting weight of the armor doesn't crush the wearer or you need a frame or supports to hold up the pieces you build it around until the armor is complete and can support itself.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not really sure why they felt the need to hype this up as being something ground breaking.

It definitely wasn't anything special, but they really didn't hype it up all that much. Just teased it a few times the day before. It would have been really weird if they had delayed the reveal and teased it for multiple days, only to reveal a four minute video of a marine getting dressed for work.

 Theophony wrote:

Mario wrote:

Theophony wrote:It was good, just not worthy of any hype.

THe whole thing seems pointless to me and a reason why Chaos has been able to win so much over the millennia. The good guys could win more if they learned how to dress themselves quicker . Imagine this on a scale of a whole company, much less a full Chapter getting ready for war. Years will have passed by before the battleforce is ready.

I'd agree that it was overall okay/nice but I think the whole ceremony is part of it. Marines are supposed to be worth a thousand normal human soldiers (or some ridiculous number like that). One maybe should think of them as a small, and walking, one man tank and less as infantry when it comes to the supply lines needed to make them work. Add the need to grimdarkify it and exaggerate it, and you end up with exactly that video.

I get that, I just don't feel like there would be enough tech adepts on a ship or at a base to perform these rituals fast enough to get a unit prepared for battle. The way I always read the lore it sure was not a 1:1 ratio of tech priests to Marines, So the one priest would be performing the ritual 10 times over just for the one unit. Also I vaguely remember in one of the first Horus Hersey books (I stopped around 35), that the marine was in his domicile cleaning his own wargear and armor. I could see something like this for the first time a Marine gets his armor or is promoted or something, but on a regular basis....No.

Well did video claim this is something marines do one by one to every marine?

Also for speed as mentioned before marines don't get in and out of this all the time so they don't have to do it same rate as our soldiers are getting in/out of combat gear.

 Geifer wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Nice video, but yes, whelming. I notice that in this and the 'Raptors can't spell armour' video the first thing to put on is the Mk 7 Servo-slippers. :-)

I expect that to be a byproduct of the fact they're aping the same video, the Starcraft 2 teaser, which started exactly the same way:

By aping Starcraft you mean they respect physics, right? Complete power armor supports its own weight. Assembly requires you to either start at the bottom so the mounting weight of the armor doesn't crush the wearer or you need a frame or supports to hold up the pieces you build it around until the armor is complete and can support itself.

No, I mean they saw it and went "hm, I'd like to do exactly that, but, you know, for a space marine", which is what it feels like. It's nice enough, but it's exactly the same idea ported to the aesthetics of 40k and space marines (disregarding any quality differences), plust they clone a lot of the actual shots of the up armoring, from the armored slippers right down to the closeup to the head and the sudden lowering of the visor.

It's not a problem per se, but it is what it is.

By way of example: many of the scenes where Tony Stark dons the Iron Man armor are also a pretty similar idea from the one in the SC2 teaser, in the sense that it's automated and such, but the feel they give off is very different (which is something that the SM video also does, to some extent) and the actual composition of the shots, setting and everything else is different enough for it to feel distinct.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Nice video, but yes, whelming. I notice that in this and the 'Raptors can't spell armour' video the first thing to put on is the Mk 7 Servo-slippers. :-)

I expect that to be a byproduct of the fact they're aping the same video, the Starcraft 2 teaser, which started exactly the same way:

By aping Starcraft you mean they respect physics, right? Complete power armor supports its own weight. Assembly requires you to either start at the bottom so the mounting weight of the armor doesn't crush the wearer or you need a frame or supports to hold up the pieces you build it around until the armor is complete and can support itself.

No, I mean they saw it and went "hm, I'd like to do exactly that, but, you know, for a space marine", which is what it feels like. It's nice enough, but it's exactly the same idea ported to the aesthetics of 40k and space marines (disregarding any quality differences).

It's not a problem per se, but it is what it is.

It's more than the idea. The idea isn't new, 40K plays on the idea heavily of a knight being armed and armoured by his squires, and furthermore a lot of the Blizz IP (wow and sc2) is known to have taken inspiration from GW IP. In this case though, the Raptor animation appears to be a deliberate unambiguous homage to the SC2 animation, and the new GW one is either homage or a copy whilst simultaneously being the inspiration for both, in a roundabout way.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Nice video, but yes, whelming. I notice that in this and the 'Raptors can't spell armour' video the first thing to put on is the Mk 7 Servo-slippers. :-)

I expect that to be a byproduct of the fact they're aping the same video, the Starcraft 2 teaser, which started exactly the same way:

By aping Starcraft you mean they respect physics, right? Complete power armor supports its own weight. Assembly requires you to either start at the bottom so the mounting weight of the armor doesn't crush the wearer or you need a frame or supports to hold up the pieces you build it around until the armor is complete and can support itself.

No, I mean they saw it and went "hm, I'd like to do exactly that, but, you know, for a space marine", which is what it feels like. It's nice enough, but it's exactly the same idea ported to the aesthetics of 40k and space marines (disregarding any quality differences), plust they clone a lot of the actual shots of the up armoring, from the armored slippers right down to the closeup to the head and the sudden lowering of the visor.

It's not a problem per se, but it is what it is.

By way of example: many of the scenes where Tony Stark dons the Iron Man armor are also a pretty similar idea from the one in the SC2 teaser, in the sense that it's automated and such, but the feel they give off is very different (which is something that the SM video also does, to some extent) and the actual composition of the shots, setting and everything else is different enough for it to feel distinct.

We must have watched different videos. I don't see where you're getting the idea that the 40k video tries to do "exactly that" which is seen in the Starcraft video. The composition is different and the tone is different. Some shots may be similar, but that was my point. There are only so many ways to lower visors. There are only so many ways to get into power slippers. There are only so many ways to counteract the effects of gravity. None of that is evidence of copying. I'd be tempted to go with your comparison and actually place the Starcraft video closer to Iron Man if it wasn't so long since I saw the movies and my memory of the relevant scenes wasn't so hazy. So I'll leave it at that. We should be glad GW didn't try to Re'ynvent the Whyl™ again.

Yes, the idea is exactly the same. But the idea is not "Marine putting on armor". The idea is "suiting up", and has been depicted on screen long before Blizzard even existed. The idea of depicting a 40k Marine putting on his power pajamas also predates Starcraft 2. I'm not ruling out that the creator has actually been inspired by Starcraft, but I think it's highly dubious to trace the idea back to Starcraft with the determination and derision your original statement implies.

All Ironman suit-ups (2008-2019) in 4K - YouTube

 Geifer wrote:
We must have watched different videos. I don't see where you're getting the idea that the 40k video tries to do "exactly that" which is seen in the Starcraft video. The composition is different and the tone is different. Some shots may be similar, but that was my point. There are only so many ways to lower visors. There are only so many ways to get into power slippers. There are only so many ways to counteract the effects of gravity. None of that is evidence of copying. I'd be tempted to go with your comparison and actually place the Starcraft video closer to Iron Man if it wasn't so long since I saw the movies and my memory of the relevant scenes wasn't so hazy. So I'll leave it at that. We should be glad GW didn't try to Re'ynvent the Whyl™ again.

Yes, the idea is exactly the same. But the idea is not "Marine putting on armor". The idea is "suiting up", and has been depicted on screen long before Blizzard even existed. The idea of depicting a 40k Marine putting on his power pajamas also predates Starcraft 2. I'm not ruling out that the creator has actually been inspired by Starcraft, but I think it's highly dubious to trace the idea back to Starcraft with the determination and derision your original statement implies.

Yeah, we must have. Agree to disagree.

Everything is a remix.

beast_gts wrote:
All Ironman suit-ups (2008-2019) in 4K - YouTube

Can we get a video of suitcase Reiver armor? Or a Centurion suit being deployed by drop pod to deal with an or warboss?

Following todays article it seems to suggest the black carapace literally turns the skin black from the neck down, but that's not how they're normally portrayed is it?

The marine in the video starts out naked with normal skin (but covered in plug sockets like the Sisters Repentia), then he puts on a black skinsuit of some kind, then he dons the armour.

Dudeface wrote:
Following todays article it seems to suggest the black carapace literally turns the skin black from the neck down, but that's not how they're normally portrayed is it?

I think you mistake the skinsuit with the black carapace

"Recent" fluff has the Black Carapace under the skin:


I'm sure at one point it was over the skin, but I can't find a reference for that.

beast_gts wrote:
"Recent" fluff has the Black Carapace under the skin:


I'm sure at one point it was over the skin, but I can't find a reference for that.

Always was under the skin as I remember.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine#Black_Carapace

beast_gts wrote:
"Recent" fluff has the Black Carapace under the skin:


I'm sure at one point it was over the skin, but I can't find a reference for that.

Why is his loincloth held on with a chain? That's seem rather uncomfortable. There's got to be a chastity belt joke in that image somewhere...

 Drakheart wrote:
Always was under the skin as I remember.

Yeah - must have picked up the wrong headcannon at some point. It makes more sense for it to be under - it allows for the Larraman's Organ, Melanchromic Organ & Mucranoid to actually function.

Finally saw it.

Meh.

Highlights how massively stupid the MkX modular helmet is. There are so many joint seals which could fail at any moment...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Finally saw it.

Meh.

Highlights how massively stupid the MkX modular helmet is. There are so many joint seals which could fail at any moment...

There’s nothing to say that isn’t how mk6 and 7 helmets work too. They just didn’t show that capability.

But as always is the case where some one brings practicality into space marine design, none of it makes sense or would work. Not a bit. But it’s great.

Andykp wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Finally saw it.

Meh.

Highlights how massively stupid the MkX modular helmet is. There are so many joint seals which could fail at any moment...

There’s nothing to say that isn’t how mk6 and 7 helmets work too. They just didn’t show that capability.

But as always is the case where some one brings practicality into space marine design, none of it makes sense or would work. Not a bit. But it’s great.

For example: the Marine is wearing a nuclear reactor on their back. Shooting that seems like a surefire way to ruin their day, but it never seems to come up.