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"People complaining that the Buggy can't hold Voltann models for transport"

"Same people who have been using Rhinos to transport 10 marine/sister models for 25 years"

and

"People complaining that Voltann are too generic for 40k (which I don't totally disagree with)"

"Same people who 3D print, er, I mean, purchase and play with Tau, a generic oriental robot army that has the least 40k aesthetic ever"


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I'm a Squat head for life. Get at me, Imperium!

 BuFFo wrote:
"People complaining that the Buggy can't hold Voltann models for transport"

"Same people who have been using Rhinos to transport 10 marine/sister models for 25 years"

As has been mentioned already: a Rhino looks like it can transport 8 marines and could hold 10 if it was true 28mm scale, the squat happy meal toy looks like it could transport 1-2 models at most. Until I saw the forum discussion and went back to read the details of the article I had no idea it was even supposed to be a transport.

Vatsetis wrote:
Why is dual porpuse vehicles not Grim Dark?

Taking the "there is only war" motto literally is a bit naive IMHO.

Do you think chaos cultist are enlisted military with extensive training? They are regular civilians that have recently taken arms (most of them). GSC are literally an insurgency with reporpused civilian equipment. Rogue Traders arent warriors but rather merchants which only know to defend themselves for security reasons. Arent they Grim Dark enough?

Uh, what? Rogue Traders aren't 'merchants who merely defend themselves.'
Rogue Traders are conquistadors, who raid and conquer planets to strip them of resources and bring those back to the Imperium.
The prototypical Rogue Trader has a write-up well worth reading, with a retinue consisting of a full company of Space marines and at least two companies of ordinary troops with 'standard vehicles and auxiliary equipment.'
Rogue traders have the authority to exterminate, trade with or merely plunder any cultures and planets they encounter.

A lot of 40K doesn’t look what I think of as grimdark. Primaris look more like something out of Disney era Star Wars/MCU and all the battle suit models don’t do it for me.

But it think there’s also more to grimdark than just the way things look and I think the LOV lore will be one of sophisticated looking technology but at the core of their society it’s all falling apart and no one knows what to do. A bit of a vibe like the fall of the USSR. Which all adds up to grim dark I think

 Blndmage wrote:
Also, the whole mining equipment thing is really GSC. They leaned hard into using that as a sign to show "these are people using the tools at hand".

Having fancy mining equipment that already has equivalent thing...it's low effort.

I already made this point before, but for you, (and others of this persuasion) I'm curious how would you feel if they blended the Nasa-punk aesthetic with the mining look?



Like, clearly a mining vehicle, but with weapons integrated into the original design, rather than bolted on. Instead of being low-end mining equipment, this is the best possible mining equipment money can buy, and is explicitly dual purpose, but not pressed into service like GC. Because to me, this is what the votaan should have been. (see my post a couple pages back for the full spiel on that)

I'm eager to get my hand on the new LoV codex and read all about them.

What I'm hoping for is a faction that is militant, because it has to be, because 41st millennium and all that and the whole space dwarf mining thing is just a low key background history piece.

So far the WarCom articles for their lore have hinted at some really cool things. I like the whole Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Deep-Thought, the ultimate answer is 42; what is the question, super computer worship thing.

I can see there's been a ton of thought put into the range. I have no issue predicting that the Votann will smoothly slot into Warhammer 40k as a whole and in a few years time will feel no different than the Tau or Necron or any other non-imperium faction for 99% of people. This vehicle in particular has a good feel to it and is eye catching and interesting. it will be cool to see it on the table top, even if only to play against.

The usual normal disappointment, or the unusual and deranged levels of emotion coming from some, is largely confined to this dakka dakka forum. The votann are broadly being well received pretty much everywhere else.

They said we would be seeing another new vehicle this week, but I guess not today. Kind of surprising since the weekend is usually reserved for pre order news.

The real test of whether or not the LoV have been integrated into 40k is if Space Marines start getting LoV-esque stuff while the LoV get watered down in a few years.

derpherp wrote:
I can see there's been a ton of thought put into the range. I have no issue predicting that the Votann will smoothly slot into Warhammer 40k as a whole and in a few years time will feel no different than the Tau or Necron or any other non-imperium faction for 99% of people. This vehicle in particular has a good feel to it and is eye catching and interesting. it will be cool to see it on the table top, even if only to play against.

The usual normal disappointment, or the unusual and deranged levels of emotion coming from some, is largely confined to this dakka dakka forum. The votann are broadly being well received pretty much everywhere else.

They said we would be seeing another new vehicle this week, but I guess not today. Kind of surprising since the weekend is usually reserved for pre order news.

Ah yes. 'You people are insane, but everyone else on the internet is super chill, and I just know this will be popular'

This isn't anybody's first internet rodeo. That (the middle part particularly) simply isn't believable.

Voss wrote:

derpherp wrote:
I can see there's been a ton of thought put into the range. I have no issue predicting that the Votann will smoothly slot into Warhammer 40k as a whole and in a few years time will feel no different than the Tau or Necron or any other non-imperium faction for 99% of people. This vehicle in particular has a good feel to it and is eye catching and interesting. it will be cool to see it on the table top, even if only to play against.

The usual normal disappointment, or the unusual and deranged levels of emotion coming from some, is largely confined to this dakka dakka forum. The votann are broadly being well received pretty much everywhere else.

They said we would be seeing another new vehicle this week, but I guess not today. Kind of surprising since the weekend is usually reserved for pre order news.

As yes. 'You people are insane, but everyone else on the internet is super chill, and I just know this will be popular'

This isn't anybody's first internet rodeo. That (the middle part particularly) simply isn't believable.

I mean, this forum does have a bit of a reputation for a reason, so it really isn't surprising that the rest of the warhammer community is receiving the Votann differently. I'd say this forum is split with Votann, that's why there is so much endless repetitive argument over it, but elsewhere it's mostly positive, and the amount of argument is a literal fraction of what happens here.

derpherp wrote:
They said we would be seeing another new vehicle this week, but I guess not today. Kind of surprising since the weekend is usually reserved for pre order news.

Huh? Where did they say another vehicle reveal was coming this week?

They didn't, its a misread.

They simply said there are more vehicles in the range, but the buggy was all they were showing off 'today'

Voss wrote:
They didn't, its a misread.

They simply said there are more vehicles in the range, but the buggy was all they were showing off 'today'

That's what I thought, too. You'd think it something to double check to make sure first really as two vehicles in 1 week would be very odd, especially when we've been getting roughly 1 substantial article on the Leagues each week.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Voss wrote:
They didn't, its a misread.

They simply said there are more vehicles in the range, but the buggy was all they were showing off 'today'

That's what I thought, too. You'd think it something to double check to make sure first really as two vehicles in 1 week would be very odd, especially when we've been getting roughly 1 substantial article on the Leagues each week.

Hey, GW doing friday night updates is no more unreasonable than a mythical internet that is universally positive about things and totally chill.

I mean, the bigger flaw with the presented argument is claiming that the Tau have been accepted as fitting within the 40k universe, when they're still a blatant aberration...

Why?

You know its a Galaxy with thousands if not millions of planets and xenos races... not everybody has to be in the same shades of dark as for instance the inquisition, Dhrukari or Heretic Astartes.


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Aniway, Kroots are part of the Tau Empire and a rather quite greety.

Not the best, but it is different. shame it is too complex for easy and quick painting.