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ccs wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I like the moon buggy well enough as its own thing. It's hardly the best vehicle GW ever made. My choice for that would be the Vindicator or Spartan.

 Gert wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:
So, I wonder where they sit the the classic 40k triumvirate of Imperium, Chaos, Xenos?
Do we have our first UNALIGNED faction, finally?

Yeah? That was one of the first things GW said the faction would be. It could align with the Imperium (not sure about certain Xenos) but it was very much not part of the Imperium.

Maybe GW will expand "the classic 40k triumvirate of Imperium, Chaos, Xenos" to the new, improved and instant classic 40k quadharumphiate of Imperium, Chaos, Xenos and Stuff. You know, just to avoid having to deal with unforeseen interactions with the Unaligned keyword that's only been used for terrain so far.

There's also a # of units/models from Blackstone Fortress that have the "Unaligned" KW. The Zoat, the Ambull, the Boreworm infestation, two types of drones.....

given their tech and being a variant human but not imperial I am hoping they qualify as xenos. Given thier tech it might be cool to see them ally with both the tau and the imperium. Maybe even throw in some lore about not being kill on sight to some necron factions for trading and ally matrix.

Would love 10th to bring back allies without losing the special sauce or maybe making a new combined faction buff for when allying the two armies that replaces thier existing one better representing how the forces would fight together.

Given that this “classic” triumvirate has only been around for 2 editions I see no reason why they can’t have another option. my ideal would be ABHUMAN. That would open a lot of doors. I’d like that.

The leagues were never part of the imperium and were never separate or against it. Nothing new here.

Awesome vehicle. Something new and different in 40K. Very refreshing and definitely has its own vibe. It may be a little on the more “generic” or “based on real world” side of sci-if, but in 40K that’s actually kind of refreshing, since nothing else really does that.

Quasistellar wrote:
Awesome vehicle. Something new and different in 40K. Very refreshing and definitely has its own vibe. It may be a little on the more “generic” or “based on real world” side of sci-if, but in 40K that’s actually kind of refreshing, since nothing else really does that.

I was thinking that, another rhino variant or something like that would have been too dull. With the leagues I would say they are getting the look of modern sci-fi with enough nods to current lines just right. They feel new but not jarringly so.

Ya but any other scifi setting does it so it's everywhere. Why would we need it in 40k? Just so the price can be inflated x5 or somthing?

Anyways I'm out I hate the lore and the models those that like them enjoy. Will be funny to see the stream of cheap ebay fodder maybe I'll pick some up then so they can be brutally dismembered and put on bases.

I think squats look godawful, but this vehicle is ok. Nothing sensational, IMHO all the ork buggies look way better, but it's not bad. I like it.

Boosykes wrote:
Ya but any other scifi setting does it so it's everywhere. Why would we need it in 40k? Just so the price can be inflated x5 or somthing?

Anyways I'm out I hate the lore and the models those that like them enjoy. Will be funny to see the stream of cheap ebay fodder maybe I'll pick some up then so they can be brutally dismembered and put on bases.

Everything you see in 40K, you can see somewhere else, it’s been like that since the start

Boosykes wrote:
Ya but any other scifi setting does it so it's everywhere. Why would we need it in 40k? Just so the price can be inflated x5 or somthing?.

Its a GW kit. Price was always going to be inflated x5 or something regardless what it looked like.

It's fine. It's a pretty generic scifi design. That doesn't make it bad, but there's nothing exceptional about it either.

Andykp wrote:
Given that this “classic” triumvirate has only been around for 2 editions I see no reason why they can’t have another option. my ideal would be ABHUMAN. That would open a lot of doors. I’d like that.

Bring back beastmen!

Havent you realised that Xenos as a "mega faction" is meaningless... For instance Necrons, Orks and Tau have nothing in common lore and game wise.

LOV arent going to have neither the Imperium nor the Chaos keywords... So it dosent matter if you define them as Xenos, Adhumans or Dwarfxs.

You are just putting them in a meaningless box, since they are their own separate faction.

It's cool, I do like it, but it lacks the grittiness of W40K. Its look and feel are a little too High SiFi for my grim dark tastes.

The only faction that should have repurposed vehicles is GSC. All other factions should have purpose built war machines and this, even by its description, is not a purpose built war machine.

I prefer GW stick to the 'There is only war." mantra.

I do vaguely wonder what they'll be listed under on GWs site.

 oni wrote:
It's cool, I do like it, but it lacks the grittiness of W40K. Its look and feel are a little too High SiFi for my grim dark tastes.

The only faction that should have repurposed vehicles is GSC. All other factions should have purpose built war machines and this, even by its description, is not a purpose built war machine.

I prefer GW stick to the 'There is only war." mantra.

I think you dont really grasp the LOV lore. They are certainly more" Grimdark" than Tau (both in aesthetic and in background).


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ccs wrote:
I do vaguely wonder what they'll be listed under on GWs site.

Those it really matter.

My 9 year old son looked at the Sagitar and immediately said "Needs moar skullz". Does this mean I've failed or succeeded as a parent?

Why should the LOV have skulls? Tau dont have them, neither do Tiranids or even most Eldars.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
i find that it looks like a toy, might look better without the canopies on it

I'm pretty sure when I was a kid I actually had a toy that looked just like it.

It's probably telling that I had trouble working out which faction this vehicle even belonged to. Space Dwarves certainly would not have been my first guess.

 Sim-Life wrote:

I get that squats back in the day were round bois but I really REALLY wish they'd made them more angular and leaned more heavily into runic patterns and made everything more ornate. Y'know, like they were made by skilled craftsmen instead of Generic Armour Plate Unit C-B386-Y But nu-GW gotta have its large flat untextured surfaces for some reason.

It's funny because when I tried to imagine what sort of vehicles Space Dwarves might design, I realised that what immediately came to mind was SM vehicles. Stuff like dreadnoughts, vindicators, even land speeders have a very blocky, no-nonsense feel to them.

The alternative would be mining-vehicles. And yes, I know it's probably not a great idea to try and use the same vehicle for both mining and combat, but this is the same system where people use rocket-launchers built to look like elaborate organs. Anyway, the point is that this niche is also already in play with GSCs and (IIRC) some FW imperial guard models.

The point I'm trying to make is that the characteristics I would expect in Dwarven vehicles (blocky, rugged, no-nonsense designs and repurposed-mining equipment) are both already in play for existing factions. So I guess I can see why GW went with something different, yet at the same time having Dwarven transports look like moon-buggies doesn't really convey much of a theme. Maybe they should have just gone with Space-Skaven.instead?

 Insectum7 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Given that this “classic” triumvirate has only been around for 2 editions I see no reason why they can’t have another option. my ideal would be ABHUMAN. That would open a lot of doors. I’d like that.

Bring back beastmen!

Hells yes, already have with my home brew rules but they aren’t for everyone.

So how big do you think this LoV vehichle is going to be? It looks like the kit will be bigger than a Leman Russ, but it doesn't really look like a vehicle that should be bigger than a Leman Russ. GW vehicle scaling has gotten weird, imo. It was always a little weird, but it feels more off these days.

I kinda wish it was quad size and didn't have the whole transport aspect, or, it might only hold a small amount, like 5 infantry models, which may be the default squad size. Who knows!?

 RandyMcStab wrote:
My 9 year old son looked at the Sagitar and immediately said "Needs moar skullz". Does this mean I've failed or succeeded as a parent?

You sound alike a wonderful parent


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 Insectum7 wrote:
So how big do you think this LoV vehichle is going to be? It looks like the kit will be bigger than a Leman Russ, but it doesn't really look like a vehicle that should be bigger than a Leman Russ. GW vehicle scaling has gotten weird, imo. It was always a little weird, but it feels more off these days.

Smaller than a rhino I think


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 Blndmage wrote:
I kinda wish it was quad size and didn't have the whole transport aspect, or, it might only hold a small amount, like 5 infantry models, which may be the default squad size. Who knows!?

They operate in pairs apparently and the full squad is transported across both vehicles

Vatsetis wrote:

 oni wrote:
It's cool, I do like it, but it lacks the grittiness of W40K. Its look and feel are a little too High SiFi for my grim dark tastes.

The only faction that should have repurposed vehicles is GSC. All other factions should have purpose built war machines and this, even by its description, is not a purpose built war machine.

I prefer GW stick to the 'There is only war." mantra.

I think you dont really grasp the LOV lore. They are certainly more" Grimdark" than Tau (both in aesthetic and in background).

So you have the codex with all the new lore? Don't hold out on us, spill that gak.

With my alleged tenuous grasp of LoV lore I'll still venture to say that taking a vehicle, one that is explained as being used for prospecting and surveying, and slapping a gun on it hardly makes it grim-dark. Tau, despite not being covered in skulls are more grim-dark. At least all of the Tau models represent something that's purpose built for war.

Why is dual porpuse vehicles not Grim Dark?

Taking the "there is only war" motto literally is a bit naive IMHO.

Do you think chaos cultist are enlisted military with extensive training? They are regular civilians that have recently taken arms (most of them). GSC are literally an insurgency with reporpused civilian equipment. Rogue Traders arent warriors but rather merchants which only know to defend themselves for security reasons. Arent they Grim Dark enough?

I like it - reminds me of the old Judge Dredd vehicles

As a design it’s ok, pretty derivative and not very exciting but fine. The guns stuck to the front as an afterthought look bad though. The main issue is that neither this or the hover trike look like vehicles designed for fighting.

All i see is

^Nice

Also, the whole mining equipment thing is really GSC. They leaned hard into using that as a sign to show "these are people using the tools at hand".

Having fancy mining equipment that already has equivalent thing...it's low effort.

Vatsetis wrote:
Do you think chaos cultist are enlisted military with extensive training? They are regular civilians that have recently taken arms (most of them). GSC are literally an insurgency with reporpused civilian equipment. Rogue Traders arent warriors but rather merchants which only know to defend themselves for security reasons. Arent they Grim Dark enough?

IMO the difference is that one looks like an act of desperation and the other looks like a happy meal toy with guns. GSC vehicles look like improvised combat vehicles with guns bolted on, mining equipment being used as weapons because it's the best they have, etc. It's the 40k equivalent of a pickup truck with a heavy machine gun bolted to the back. You know it sucks, you know you're probably going to die if you ever encounter real tanks, but the hive mind compels you to fight and you will fight.

Contrast this with the squat abomination the weapons are clearly designed to be a part of the vehicle but that design is an awkward hybrid: not efficient enough to be a useful industrial tool, not effective enough to be useful in combat. It's like the GW CAD artist was designing a civilian vehicle for a non-40k game and then at the last minute the boss said "put some guns on it, we need a new 40k faction".