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I think it’s amazing, I don’t know what it is but I think it’s better than anything they’ve released before. I know the rhino based vehicles were moulded decades ago but the new primaris vehicles were guff compared to this.

Do you agree? If not what’s your favourite vehicle?

Nothing beats the Exorcist (either one). Sorry.

No skulls, cathedrals, gibbets, cherubs...nah, this Votan stuff is like 10% WH40K 90% generic.

A neat model by itself, but 40K-wise I give another vote for Exorcists.

i find that it looks like a toy, might look better without the canopies on it

Nah. The TARDIS Squat Transporter stuffed inside (underneath?) a pretty bland lunar dune buggy doesn't really do much for me.

Still particularly fond of most of the rhino chassis (particularly the laser destroyer for some reason). And the IG hellhound.

I suspect I'll like the sicaran, but they have to release the bloody thing.

I feel like someone at GW just binge watched some Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors...

Voss wrote:
Nah. The TARDIS Squat Transporter stuffed inside (underneath?) a pretty bland lunar dune buggy doesn't really do much for me.

Still particularly fond of most of the rhino chassis (particularly the laser destroyer for some reason). And the IG hellhound.

I suspect I'll like the sicaran, but they have to release the bloody thing.

they come in pairs, two of them carry a squad of squats

Ummm......nooooo. Looks more "Moon Patrol" than 40k to me.

As for favorites: Legion Fellblade. Sweetest tank in 30k/40k. Second runner up: Dreadclaws. Particularly when they're on their flight stand: "It's coming to get you!".

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Voss wrote:
Nah. The TARDIS Squat Transporter stuffed inside (underneath?) a pretty bland lunar dune buggy doesn't really do much for me.

Still particularly fond of most of the rhino chassis (particularly the laser destroyer for some reason). And the IG hellhound.

I suspect I'll like the sicaran, but they have to release the bloody thing.

they come in pairs, two of them carry a squad of squats

OK? Not even remotely the issue*, but I'm sure the rules for that won't be fethed up at all.

*The cockpit takes up a full third of the vehicle, then there's another crew bubble and a turret and luggage, so I'm not sure where 10 or even 5 more suits of that chonky armor are going to go, let alone with people inside and gear attached.

Cyel wrote:
No skulls, cathedrals, gibbets, cherubs...nah, this Votan stuff is like 10% WH40K 90% generic.

A neat model by itself, but 40K-wise I give another vote for Exorcists.

This.
I'm really disappointed in the Votannites so far. They feel VERY generic, very sleek and very out of place in model range and lore in 40k.
I had hoped for something more.. dwarfen. More grudgy. More... 40k.
At this stage, the AoS dwarves look more 40k than the 40k dwarves.

As a lot of people seem to be - everything Votann just seems to be this weird melange of Space Marine, Ad Mech & Tau (and possibly nu Guard) that just feels like a fan project rather than a real GW model. There's this real lack of distinctiveness.

I mean this is a civilization that has jetbikes. Why are they sending souped up moon buggies out to fight?

Voss wrote:


OK? Not even remotely the issue*, but I'm sure the rules for that won't be fethed up at all.

*The cockpit takes up a full third of the vehicle, then there's another crew bubble and a turret and luggage, so I'm not sure where 10 or even 5 more suits of that chonky armor are going to go, let alone with people inside and gear attached.

You can't physically fit

10 marines in a rhino
6 wyches in a venom
12 guardians in a wave serpent
X units into Y transport

i was pointing out that because the squad is split in two, it helps sell the idea of it transporting them a bit more

 Thairne wrote:

Cyel wrote:
No skulls, cathedrals, gibbets, cherubs...nah, this Votan stuff is like 10% WH40K 90% generic.

A neat model by itself, but 40K-wise I give another vote for Exorcists.

This.
I'm really disappointed in the Votannites so far. They feel VERY generic, very sleek and very out of place in model range and lore in 40k.
I had hoped for something more.. dwarfen. More grudgy. More... 40k.
At this stage, the AoS dwarves look more 40k than the 40k dwarves.

I get that squats back in the day were round bois but I really REALLY wish they'd made them more angular and leaned more heavily into runic patterns and made everything more ornate. Y'know, like they were made by skilled craftsmen instead of Generic Armour Plate Unit C-B386-Y But nu-GW gotta have its large flat untextured surfaces for some reason.

I really like this vehicle, but it's not my fave.

For that I'm with Sim- the Exorcist old or new kicks butt.

As for the Votann aesthetic it may be "generic" in terms of what's available from 3rd party providers, but in terms of what's available from GW for 40k, there is no "generic," which means that as far as GW offerings go, it's a unique aesthetic.

They're chasing the fabled wider audience with this one. Classic sci-fi is something that has kinda been missing from the GW range.
And for a good reason - you can get that everywhere. But they felt they needed to close that gap.. Unfortunately they chose one faction I'd have been really interested in if they went more.. runic and dwarfy.
40k is unique in its design language(s)... They had a real good chance to make true space dwarfes, but opted for sleek, round, modern dwarfes whose females look like they want to fight the patriarchy and/or speak to the manager.

Ugh, no. Not even close to the best vehicle model ever. It's not the worse ever but it's a huge disappointment. Decades of waiting for squats to return and the best GW can do is a $90 happy meal toy?

I like the moon buggy design a lot but there is literally nothing about it that suggests space dwarfs to me.

 Thairne wrote:
Classic sci-fi is something that has kinda been missing from the GW range.

I was under the impression that the AdMech were GW's vehicle for that niche, considering things like the Robby The Robot-esque Kastelan, the Volkite ray guns, and the Burroughs-esque ornithopter.

The new LoV Sagitaur is clearly a direct ripoff of the drilling vehicle from the move Armageddon, right down to the chin-mounted machinegun. I'm not saying that's a terrible thing, but it leapt out at me when I saw it.

My favorite WH40K vehicle is the updated (current model) Land Raider. Granted, it has trouble earning back its points, but it just looks amazing. In AoS, the Kharadron Overlords airships are the coolest vehicle ever. In fact, if we could use Kharadron Overlords vehicles in WH40K, I would.

honestly between Votann armor sort of looking like zero from earth 2 and now this looking like the main vehicle from earth 2 with more mixed elements from other scfi channel series (they used same props for different shows as it was pre much cgi) I really think they are borrowing from mid 90's scifi series for a lot of this army

Looks ok.
Not the best, certainly not the worst....

I think my overall favorite 40k vehicle would be the SM dreadnaught - the boxy one, whatever it's in-game type is.
Runner up is the Thunderbolt Fighter.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Voss wrote:


OK? Not even remotely the issue*, but I'm sure the rules for that won't be fethed up at all.

*The cockpit takes up a full third of the vehicle, then there's another crew bubble and a turret and luggage, so I'm not sure where 10 or even 5 more suits of that chonky armor are going to go, let alone with people inside and gear attached.

You can't physically fit

10 marines in a rhino
6 wyches in a venom
12 guardians in a wave serpent
X units into Y transport

i was pointing out that because the squad is split in two, it helps sell the idea of it transporting them a bit more

No, it doesn't. It just sets up bizarro rules interactions.

No, most 40k transports can't fit exactly their max capacity in static models. But they at least look like they have transport capacity.
Unless the scale is way different from how it appears (in which case the driver is a fething giant in a massive cockpit), this vehicle appears to have a transport capacity of 0. Maybe 3 if you roll them up a hidden rear ramp like beer barrels.

Voss wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Voss wrote:


OK? Not even remotely the issue*, but I'm sure the rules for that won't be fethed up at all.

*The cockpit takes up a full third of the vehicle, then there's another crew bubble and a turret and luggage, so I'm not sure where 10 or even 5 more suits of that chonky armor are going to go, let alone with people inside and gear attached.

You can't physically fit

10 marines in a rhino
6 wyches in a venom
12 guardians in a wave serpent
X units into Y transport

i was pointing out that because the squad is split in two, it helps sell the idea of it transporting them a bit more

No, it doesn't. It just sets up bizarro rules interactions.

No, most 40k transports can't fit exactly their max capacity in static models. But they at least look like they have transport capacity.
Unless the scale is way different from how it appears (in which case the driver is a fething giant in a massive cockpit), this vehicle appears to have a transport capacity of 0. Maybe 3 if you roll them up a hidden rear ramp like beer barrels.

Considering the lore for the LoV so far? I totally wouldn't be surprised if this thing had some kind of an "improved" Eternity Gate.

Voss wrote:
No, most 40k transports can't fit exactly their max capacity in static models. But they at least look like they have transport capacity.
Unless the scale is way different from how it appears (in which case the driver is a fething giant in a massive cockpit), this vehicle appears to have a transport capacity of 0. Maybe 3 if you roll them up a hidden rear ramp like beer barrels.

Exactly. You can argue about whether a Rhino can fit the full 10 models or only 8 models but it is clearly a transport with some transport capacity. If 40k was true 28mm scale instead of having 28mm infantry next to 20mm tanks it would absolutely be able to carry its designated number of models. The $90 happy meal toy doesn't look like a transport at all, it's like GW designed a light scout tank and then at the last minute someone in the rules team decided the army needed a transport instead.

So a Bradley.

Too much 90s near future tech for me. Grew up seeing similar designs over and over, telly, movies and toys. I like it when GW cleverly uses it's influences and a sprinkling of nostalgia but this is too on the nose. Quite a lacking design compared to a lot of the new vehicles (Primaris not withstanding), much like the rest of the range.

The new Squat vehicle is pretty cool, but it's no Land Raider with FW Extra Armor on it.

mrFickle wrote:
I think it’s amazing, I don’t know what it is but I think it’s better than anything they’ve released before. I know the rhino based vehicles were moulded decades ago but the new primaris vehicles were guff compared to this.

Do you agree? If not what’s your favourite vehicle?

I like it a lot. Anxious to see how big it actually is when compared to other vehicles. Supposedly it operates in pairs, meaning there must be two of them in a box and I'm now wondering if it is closer in size to the GSC buggy than to something like a Rhino or Landraider. The weapons look really good on this one, not too obnoxious and well places on the model. The bubble windows are great and they reminde me more of SciFi mining vehicles, repurposed for other roles.

With that being said, I still think the absolute best vehicle in the entire game from a design standpoint The Proteus Landraider. It's an elegant thing of beauty and I am counting the days for the plastic kit reveal!

I love it, but best ever….don’t think so. Few contenders for that but it’s certainly got me excited for LoV.

The Votann feel like another Imperium force. Very much 60's SciFi feel, which I do like, but they don't go far enough.

They lack the feel of a xenos faction.

That's because they aren't Xenos? They're a human-derived culture from the Age of Strife.