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ccs wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Do folks generally feel that piling God Specific Daemons into God Specific Legions would yield interesting forces?

I wouldn't mind the option to freely mix the two if I felt like it. But I definitely don't want the only way to play either one to be as a mixed force.

This. When I started collecting 40K and decided on Death Guard I was pretty surprised to find out that I couldn't use the beasts of Nurgle and Plague Bearers I bought along my Marines in the same army, as 5th Edition didn't have ally rules.
These were added in 6th and for a very short time Death Guard + Epidemius even was a tournament list IIRC, because Epidemius buffed Marines and Daemons. Since then there were ups and downs, in 7th you could ally, but because of formations it wasn't that useful, in 8th you had soup, needing different detachments but nurgle obliterators standing around nurgle trees was pretty effective. However, the actual daemon datasheets within the CSM and DG Codizes were just Page fillers. 9th was again close to 7th, you could do soup, but somehow putting plague Bearers along your Death Guard made your sickness worse. 10th ruling is somewhere in between, you don't get punished for allying the correct daemons(or only one side of the allies gets punished), but there's little reason to do so.

i'd love for demons to not just "exist" with the god legions. I want real synergies in there.

Have Tzeentch demons generate cabal points or be able to project them
Have nurgle demons get contagions

RIght now, the only synergy with soup is getting the cheapest action monkeys or lone ops

Void__Dragon wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Do folks generally feel that piling God Specific Daemons into God Specific Legions would yield interesting forces?

No, I want to play Daemons, not Whiny Spiky Marines with some disposable Daemon chaff and maybe a big monster on the side.

Anyone who wants to force Daemons to be only playable with Chaos Marines can eat an entire bag of diarrhea tbh.

This, Daemons existed before Marines so they should work without them just fine.

If anything CSM should be propped up by Cultists & Daemons. They should be weaker without them(to symbolize 10k years of self serving)

Well, I wasn’t exactly meaning that.

Whilst as ever I’d love to see a single, massive, Codex Chaos? If we must have separate books, I’m not adverse to Daemons being their own thing.

But for God Aligned Legions, I feel they should have access to their God’s Daemons.

Chaos should be more like the older Fantasy version.
Warriors/Demons/Beasts and they all are compatible. The Leader determines the core/special/rare limitations.

Chaos lord? Your battleline are Marines.
Demon Prince/Greater Demon? Your battleline are Demons.
Some Cultist Dude? Your batteline are Cultists.
Traitor Commander? Your battleline are traitors.
Something like that.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Do folks generally feel that piling God Specific Daemons into God Specific Legions would yield interesting forces?

No, I want to play Daemons, not Whiny Spiky Marines with some disposable Daemon chaff and maybe a big monster on the side.

Anyone who wants to force Daemons to be only playable with Chaos Marines can eat an entire bag of diarrhea tbh.

This, Daemons existed before Marines so they should work without them just fine.

If anything CSM should be propped up by Cultists & Daemons. They should be weaker without them(to symbolize 10k years of self serving)

On the former? Right on.

On the latter? no.

Despite my vitriolic take on CSM I don't want them to be reliant on Daemons to be playable either. And they have such a wide and deep codex that to achieve that GW would have to artificially lower the useability of their units to do so which would suck.