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 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
It can be a gateway to creating a whole army though. A couple of characters, a unit or two, and an upgrade sprue to start with, a full unique range a few years down the line. That is what has happened with GSCs.

That's not what happened with Genestealer Cults. The full codex release was clearly planned out even at the point of Deathwatch: Overkill being released.

Necrons in 2nd edition would be a better example.

So, the initial 7th edition release for GSC was 2 unit kits, a character, a repackaged character set from the boardgame, an upgrade sprue for Brood brother infantry and vehicles, and a vehicle kit. Admittedly I completely forgot they released the Goliath in the first wave, but otherwise that is pretty much the level of kits I said above?

Other infiltrative xenos could be introduced with a similar level of investment IMO.

Meanwhile Necrons in 2nd were standalone and not infiltrative...?

As long as GW doesn't do "timetravel" I think we are ok with potentials.

Such an intellectual-copout whenever fantasy writers go that route, same with bringing people back from the dead or the equally boring memory loss thing.
(I've been rewatching gotham (the series) sigh, because Penguin has been so good and I craved the atmosphere)

I notice whenever writers look for something novel they abuse the idea of dimensions and mechanics over composition. (as I said in our earthly case being carbon, which should be abandoned in the generating of actual alien ideas, which doesn't mean necessarily that aliens therefor cannot have form, because form is, again, ultimately cymatic' and that can apply to other medium than just water)

GW has done timetravel for ages because the Warp technically has no linear time. It's one of the risks of Warp Travel that you could get spat out at the wrong time, not just the wrong location.

That said GW has never openly abused it. Partly because GW has never really tried to "reboot/softreboot" itself*. They have reconned things and shifted a few bits around, but they've never tried rebooting their own entire setting.

That's more a DC/Marvel/hollywood thing. DC and Marvel love the heck out of rebooting and these days they seem to want to avoid outright reboots and instead make everything "soft" reboots by using the multiverse and timetravel. Mostly as an excuse to let them link things that sell well to things that are new/reboots or that aren't selling well.

IF the latest superman isn't doing great just multiverse him with a previous one that did; or bring in Batman etc...

They've been doing it for ages, but it feels that right now they are in their golden age of loving it all over the place.


Hollywood loves it too, Startrek used it to do a reboot of the original series; they also used it in Enterprise to do a huge Temporal war and such.




I do agree its often used as a way to explore ideas, but often feels lazy. Or its used to try and link and old franchise to a new one so you can get the suits and beancounters to approve the budget because "Oh its linked to this really popular series that's got a huge fanbase"


*at least not since around Rogue Trader days way back in the past. And I think many see that as less of a reboot and more of a firm establishing its lore and structure in an ever more formal and functional manner.

 Overread wrote:
GW has done timetravel for ages because the Warp technically has no linear time. It's one of the risks of Warp Travel that you could get spat out at the wrong time, not just the wrong location.

If so, why do harlequins never show up during 30K or Fantasy?

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW has done timetravel for ages because the Warp technically has no linear time. It's one of the risks of Warp Travel that you could get spat out at the wrong time, not just the wrong location.

If so, why do harlequins never show up during 30K or Fantasy?

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW has done timetravel for ages because the Warp technically has no linear time. It's one of the risks of Warp Travel that you could get spat out at the wrong time, not just the wrong location.

If so, why do harlequins never show up during 30K or Fantasy?

 Flinty wrote:

The old skool answer is that Rogue Trader had explicit rules for primitive weapons that could be used to field Fantasy models in 40k. Also, some of the Daemon/Chaos Champion models that were packaged for Fantasy had plasma weapons from 40k IIRC

Examples here armed with "Tech Weapons" one of which is clearly an autopistol:
http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991b/cat1991bp264rcchkhorne-01.htm

It was in the rules as one of the hundreds of available chaos mutations in the Slaves To Darkness book. There were pages and pages of them - I think you rolled a d1000 to determine what mutations you got, and it could be anything from a plasma cannon to a silly voice. The chaos gods giveth, and the chaos gods taketh away...

I legit rolled a missile launcher for my lord on juggernaut, but I never got to finish building and fielding the army as it was around the time my friends all drifted away from playing.