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Wich teams are you talking about? Because when I look at the GW site I see rules for all of the teams released to date for the KT24 edition.
Or are you complaining that not everything released under KT21 was included in the current edition (yet)?
Huh? No, I am talking about their rotation policy, where teams just a few years old get booted out. Imagine if all 40k minis from 2022 or earlier had been booted into legends. People would be understandably unhappy.
Obviously if they had started booting out teams from 2024 I don't think anyone would still bother playing the game at that point. It'd go from chafing into abject comedy. (Though I probably shouldn't give GW ideas).
Wich teams are you talking about? Because when I look at the GW site I see rules for all of the teams released to date for the KT24 edition.
Or are you complaining that not everything released under KT21 was included in the current edition (yet)?
Huh? No, I am talking about their rotation policy, where teams just a few years old get booted out. Imagine if all 40k minis from 2022 or earlier had been booted into legends. People would be understandably unhappy.
Obviously if they had started booting out teams from 2024 I don't think anyone would still bother playing the game at that point. It'd go from chafing into abject comedy. (Though I probably shouldn't give GW ideas).
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Over the past probably decade now, we’ve had some proper Wishlist Stuff delivered. Off the top of my head and by no means complete or in any specific order?
Right now I'd settle for GW management allowing the specialist studio to do 40K stuff
Exodites would be awesome and honestly I'd love to see them because they'd bring actual fresh new design language to Eldar. Corsairs and Harlies are - broadly speaking - different flavours of Craftworld styles right now.
Exodites I feel just opens up a whole doorway to loads of designs that are different just like how Dark Eldar are a wildly different design style.
Of course at one time Genestealer Cults (at least the new) was basically "Imperial Guard and a few genestealers". Now its very different and has a whole host of unique designs that are different from the Guard and Tyranids.
Wich teams are you talking about? Because when I look at the GW site I see rules for all of the teams released to date for the KT24 edition.
Or are you complaining that not everything released under KT21 was included in the current edition (yet)?
Huh? No, I am talking about their rotation policy, where teams just a few years old get booted out. Imagine if all 40k minis from 2022 or earlier had been booted into legends. People would be understandably unhappy.
Obviously if they had started booting out teams from 2024 I don't think anyone would still bother playing the game at that point. It'd go from chafing into abject comedy. (Though I probably shouldn't give GW ideas).
...Yes, obviously? Does this need to be a whole thread of its own to explain?
Hence my confusion on what your complaint is.
Because if you read it you'll see that the only reason something wouldn't be allowed is because you/the TO has CHOSEN to run a Classified tourney.
GW goes on to tell you can run either type of tourney & that there's no reason to exclude any KT24 team as they're all still valid for the editions life cycle & will continue to be updated etc.
GW hasn't taken anything away from us.
So if you have a problem? Take it up with whoever is organizing your events.
And I hope that your KT experience ISN'T limited to playing in tourney environments.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Over the past probably decade now, we’ve had some proper Wishlist Stuff delivered. Off the top of my head and by no means complete or in any specific order?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Over the past probably decade now, we’ve had some proper Wishlist Stuff delivered. Off the top of my head and by no means complete or in any specific order?
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Wasn’t a strict timescale, so I’ll allow Ad Mech. Certainly they were a wing of the overall Imperial Military Complex that never really manifested before.
2nd Ed had rules for some stuff. But never models.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Over the past probably decade now, we’ve had some proper Wishlist Stuff delivered. Off the top of my head and by no means complete or in any specific order?
They really are leaving money on the table with Lost and the Damned, considering how many STL creators are making a living from Chaos Guard type stuff
I doubt that'll be the case for much longer. The Traitor Guard, Beastmen, and Traitor Commissar+ Ogryn Bodyguard have passed from Blackstone Fortress into Killteam and now 40k, despite not really fitting in the somewhat bloated CSM codex. So GW clearly have something in mind for them.
And with basically every other low hanging fruit mined from the depths of Warhammer's history they are basically left with:
Lost and the Damned/Renegades and Heretics
Dark Mechanicus
Exodites
Ynnari (as a proper faction with unique units)
Which all seem pretty likely given that HH is getting Dark Mech stuff, BSF had Megavolt Cultists, and Vashtorr seems to heavily lean that direction for 40k; while Eldar have been getting expanded into a full multi-army Umbrella Faction similar to Imperium and Chaos.
Beyond that you start getting into some wilder background references like Hrud, Slaugth, and Men of Iron.
Dark Mechanicum seems like a low hanging fruit for Kill Team. And it wouldn't be too hard to take them and the various cultists and traitor guard units and make an Agents of Chaos book to match the Imperium one until any of those sub factions get expanded.
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ccs wrote: Hence my confusion on what your complaint is. Because if you read it you'll see that the only reason something wouldn't be allowed is because you/the TO has CHOSEN to run a Classified tourney. GW goes on to tell you can run either type of tourney & that there's no reason to exclude any KT24 team as they're all still valid for the editions life cycle & will continue to be updated etc. GW hasn't taken anything away from us. So if you have a problem? Take it up with whoever is organizing your events.
And I hope that your KT experience ISN'T limited to playing in tourney environments.
I genuinely wish it was that simple, but that isn't what the reality of the game looks like on the ground.
It's like legends in 40k. On paper you can say, why not use them? They're there, and you should! Issue is, it can be awfully hard to find someone who uses them, because both in 40k and Kill Team, the casual community has wholly embraced the competitive standard.
How often do you see 40k players obsess over the latest winrates, share their favourite content creator's latest tier list, and so on, even though said 40k players will never attend an actual tournament in their lifetime?
This might be worth making a separate thread about, as while it may be argued to be an inevitable result of social media and the increasingly online environment of discussing the game, notably 30k and TOW do not reject their legends/nonclassified counterparts the way that 40k, AoS and the games based on them have. I wish they would embrace those units, factions and teams the way the specialist game communities did, I really do, but they just haven't.
Point is, I wish it was as easy as you describe, but that's just not what the lived experience is like, here. In 40k, if I tried to show up with legends units, it'd not just be a question of finding the right opponent, it'd be up in the air of whether I found any game at all. KT is unfortunately much the same. This is a major reason why I mainly paint 30k nowadays.
(And regarding tournaments, KT is almost even more strict here than 40k is, because KT is so focused on GW's own, obviously classified tournaments - it does not have 40k's tournament scene which set down its roots before GW began to properly engage in it the way they are now).
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Over the past probably decade now, we’ve had some proper Wishlist Stuff delivered. Off the top of my head and by no means complete or in any specific order?
For me? There are two big ones outstanding.
1. Exodites
2. Lost and the Damned
And for 2, it's really just mutant rabble isn't it? With traitor guard, cultists, beastmen and the cult inner circle back to lead them.
Assuming we're not counting the accursed mutants as being the more PC reimagining of the classic mutant rabble (cursed by chaos rather than birth defects) accompanied by big muties.
That said it's a deep well to plumb, I'd love to see the cultist bikes from Secret Level and Dark Mech goes without saying. A command and heavy weapon squad for the traitor guard would also open up a Traitor IG detachment, which alongside an 'Agents of Chaos' would easily tick that off too.
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Lost and the Damned has near depthless potential to be as varied as the Guard if GW would allow it to be, if not more.
Humans can turn to Chaos for every imaginable reason, from every imaginable background. You can have a mutant army, certainly, but also a paradise world whose immensely haughty PDF succumb to their own obsession with martial perfection and become a frightfully capable, impeccably presentable yet utterly corrupt army of Chaos. You can have worlds ruled by distant Chaotic overlords who bother little to interfere in their underlings' lives beyond ensuring orders are obeyed, resulting in armies that were never "loyal" in the first place yet scarcely has any idea of what they truly serve.
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I think I’d like to see Traitor Guard as a separate thing.
Cults, Mutants and that could make for a gloriously reckless army. The would-be champions lacking the understanding of Chaos Marines, not to mention their resilience. Those that know they’re already damned, so Go Big And Hope For The Best. A force that knows when The Imperium has rumbled their game? You need to do anything and everything you can to win.
And of course all sorts of low level members who really don’t quite understand just what they’ve gotten themselves into.
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The way things are going in the Middle East, GW will have to announce price rises as well as all the new goodies. I remember when we have previously had this level of fluctuation in oil prices / oil supply, the price of plastic kits shot up. It will also hit transport costs and possibly supply chain.
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