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2018/10/07 18:26:34
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Currently running two five man hellblaster squads in my SW army. I use the outflank stratagem on them and so far only one person has successfully screened them. They pop up, delete something and then delete something else if they don't get focused.
Being an elite army, they tend to not get focused so they get a few rounds of shooting in.
Next game I'll be dropping them in with a WL and WGPL w/ jump packs.
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2018/10/08 02:36:56
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
The new Primaris Lt might see more play in KT with the new Commanders stuff unless they get around to fixing the Stalker. Heavy 1 is just pants for a bolter without the sniper rule.
2018/10/08 09:43:42
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
ClockworkZion wrote: The new Primaris Lt might see more play in KT with the new Commanders stuff unless they get around to fixing the Stalker. Heavy 1 is just pants for a bolter without the sniper rule.
Absolutely true. I want the stalker to be viable :(
2018/10/09 03:39:47
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
ClockworkZion wrote: The new Primaris Lt might see more play in KT with the new Commanders stuff unless they get around to fixing the Stalker. Heavy 1 is just pants for a bolter without the sniper rule.
Absolutely true. I want the stalker to be viable :(
It either needs to be a sniper weapon or be Heavy 2 to see table time. Then again I also want to see a unit of Sniping Reivers with them decked out in Camo Cloaks, but that's likely wanting too much.
2018/10/09 05:40:47
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Any value in a DA unit of 10 Hellblasters with heavy plasma?
10 S9 -4 D2 shots with native rerolling 1's to hit with decent board coverage. Could even break them up into 2 units of 5.
I really like the look and concept of it but every time I look at it I keep thinking rapid fire is just better for volume of shots :S
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2018/10/09 15:51:36
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
NurglesR0T wrote: Any value in a DA unit of 10 Hellblasters with heavy plasma?
10 S9 -4 D2 shots with native rerolling 1's to hit with decent board coverage. Could even break them up into 2 units of 5.
I really like the look and concept of it but every time I look at it I keep thinking rapid fire is just better for volume of shots :S
It is. GW needs to tweak the heavy and assault versions before they'll be up to snuff. Especially in DA where WoTDA means more shots = more extra damage.
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What should I add to this? I'm really thinking I need some antitank or. Some sort of heavy. Thinking of adding a Leviathan or Redemptor.
Any advice on where to go for some armor? Thanks. Best use for Reiverrs?
I'd recommend against anything heavy as everything heavy in the space marine arsenal is pretty trash and blows up instantly. I'd recommend getting some Inceptors (either variant is ok due to being able to start in deep strike). Drop them 6" from guiliman turn 2-3 and eat a couple of units alive.
In general, Hellblasters will toast pretty much anything remotely balanced (so not imperial knights =P)
2018/10/10 05:48:19
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Deathwatch. SIA + wounding shenanigans make pretty much every gun in the Primaris arsenal (excepting heavy incinerators on Hellblasters) dangerous, and their mixed unit rules provide you with significant options to overcome the downsides of the Gravis units.
2018/11/13 13:52:21
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Sterling191 wrote: Deathwatch. SIA + wounding shenanigans make pretty much every gun in the Primaris arsenal (excepting heavy incinerators on Hellblasters) dangerous, and their mixed unit rules provide you with significant options to overcome the downsides of the Gravis units.
Indeed, Deathwatch is one of the best ways to go.
Since Primaris are very elite and so small in numbers, every shot counts.
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Hey guys, got my hands on some Primaris and I am gonna start a little strike force with main focus on building a cool army, has not to be tournament competitive.
Decided to play them as Salamanders, since I always loved their style and fluff.
Read all the stuff you wrote in this thread and there was quite some good stuff i'll consider building my army. Keep in posting that good stuff mates!
I'm not gonna go 100% Primaris, since my army will include Vulkan and Harath Shen plus some bot sized dakka support to compensate the lack of anti tank. Too bad all the stuff that really benefits from Salamanders CT is non-primaris stuff mostly, like MSU tacticals with heavy weapons and stuff like Lazorbacks.
Anyways, here is my list so far:
Vulkan He'stan (mostly for the style, doesn't really give Primaris something the normal Captain doesn't. Maybe I'll convert him with Captain parts.)
Harath Shen (An cheap Apo that works on 3+ and fills my HQ? Yes, please!)
Primaris Lieutenant (That reroll is too good, especially for the Primaris Death Star. Also Warlord with storm of fire trait)
Primaris Librarian (Might of Heroes to protect bots or make Vulkan a bit more killy. Also gonna steal some invuls if possible)
20 Intercessors with rapid fire & 10 intercessors with assault bolters
(Enough to fill 2 Battalions if really needed)
Ancient with Relic Banner ( another 3+ for my Primaris, should work great with Harath Shen)
Relic Contemptor with Double Twin LasCa (anti-tank obviously)
Venerable dreadnough with Twin LasCa & Twin Autocannon (more anti-tank)
Love those two forgeworld models, gonna look great on the table
5 hellblasters with rapid fire
Glocking in at about 1600 points, if the CA rumours are true, Twin LasCa and Primaris Captain points reduction make that a solid 1500 points list, if I replace Vulkan with an Primaris Captain.
So here my questions:
1. Can Vulkan take the CM Strategem? I know it's not fluffy, just asking for the occasional WAAC game I like to have sometimes.
2. Two Battalions is probably too many CP? All I need is the CM Strategem, maybe the Salamanders mantle or armour for the Lieutenant and the cover Strategem if I go second and have poor cover in my deployment zone.
3. What to get next? Don't like Reavers, Repulsors and Interceptors model wise. I guess another 5- 15 hellblasters and aggressors is the obvious answer. Maybe an antitank Stormraven or Relic Leviathan with autocannon arrays. Any anti tank options in bot-size I am missing?
4. Modelling question, how good do normal shoulder pads fit with aggressors and hellblasters, gonna buy those sweet forgeworld shoulder pads and maybe some cool 3rd party ones.
5. Anyone knows cool Dragon like heads for conversions? Puppetswar head great ones but they are out of order, spellcrow has awesome stuff as well but no heads sadly.
6. Any Salamanders Primaris players here, that had luck with firestorm agressors + Vulkan. If you ever get to double your shots with Vulkan plus Salamanders Strategem & Lieutenant you can wreck anything there is in 40k with no problems, but I guess it's quite hard to get off, if your opponent is not stupid as hell.^^ Would love the style but guess at least the first squad will be bolters. If I don't care about drops I can at least use 3 squads to make most of the Salamanders trait.
7. Anything else I missed or worth noting for Salamanders Primaris?
2018/12/03 15:06:05
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
There will probably be a big primaris release in the first quarter of 2019 so factor that into your plans.
Some people will tell you "contemptor dreads aren't primaris" but buy what you like. The forgeworld salamander character dread looks really good, Bray'arth Ashmantle. 8 wounds, T9, 2+ save, character keyword, and 4+++ is a great combo.
axisofentropy wrote: There will probably be a big primaris release in the first quarter of 2019 so factor that into your plans.
Some people will tell you "contemptor dreads aren't primaris" but buy what you like. The forgeworld salamander character dread looks really good, Bray'arth Ashmantle. 8 wounds, T9, 2+ save, character keyword, and 4+++ is a great combo.
Some devastor Primaris equivalent would be nice.
Well, in my head bots don't count to the 100% Primaris rule.
Ashmantle has great defensive stats, but except from style and his tankiness he does not really add that kind of firepower my Primaris need.
For that reason i'll use his model as venerable dreadnough, maybe I'll magnetise him as well.
2018/12/03 15:53:24
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Sterling191 wrote:Deathwatch. SIA + wounding shenanigans make pretty much every gun in the Primaris arsenal (excepting heavy incinerators on Hellblasters) dangerous, and their mixed unit rules provide you with significant options to overcome the downsides of the Gravis units.
wuestenfux wrote:Indeed, Deathwatch is one of the best ways to go.
Since Primaris are very elite and so small in numbers, every shot counts.
And as I check my army for the UKGT heats I realise I forgot to buy and paint an additional 5 Intercessors to convert my Ravenguard into Deathwatch...
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2018/12/04 01:58:23
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I will say, with the rumours of all the -1 to hit army bonuses changing to +1 cover at 12", alongside prepared positions, Imperial/Crimson Fists are moving up the chapter pecking order.
2018/12/04 04:36:36
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
IanVanCheese wrote: I will say, with the rumours of all the -1 to hit army bonuses changing to +1 cover at 12", alongside prepared positions, Imperial/Crimson Fists are moving up the chapter pecking order.
And assuming that marine vehicles finally get tactics in addition to a potential BEEFY point drop for centurions we could see the siege cohort be pretty decent.
2018/12/08 02:27:48
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Stalker bolt rifles are free at last. Are they worth considering now? I think so, particularly in the context of pure primaris armies. Now you have a unit which is not a high priority target (hellblasters) which can sit still on your home objective(s).
With grenade launchers now being free as well, it looks like I'm going to have to clone those bits somehow. Not much else seems to have changed for us on the infantry side of things. I can't really comment on the dread and repulsor.
2018/12/08 13:16:51
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Zustiur wrote: Stalker bolt rifles are free at last. Are they worth considering now? I think so, particularly in the context of pure primaris armies. Now you have a unit which is not a high priority target (hellblasters) which can sit still on your home objective(s).
With grenade launchers now being free as well, it looks like I'm going to have to clone those bits somehow. Not much else seems to have changed for us on the infantry side of things. I can't really comment on the dread and repulsor.
On a 17 point model, it is not as bad of a choice. I probably wouldn't consider it outside Deathwatch though.
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2018/12/09 03:26:38
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Hi, Just ordered bunch of primaris stuff and biggest changes csn be made on the sergeants and repulsor. I was thinking stuffing the two body guards, chaplain and the 7man intercessors with power fist to have a minor melee threat. I've only used intercessors so far so kinda out what's the way to play..
Ive begun crimson fists after getting the Imperial fist supremacy force for Xmas. I want to go full Primaris but I don't think the range is fleshed out enough yet to do full Primaris so I'm hoping the second wave comes this year!
2019/01/04 10:03:02
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
If you are going blue boys and don't want to run the big G then I think Calgar is a good pick. He is a melee beast who can dish out respectable damage and an absolute unit of a tank. He fills the valuable HQ slot, gives CPs and the chapter master aura. Heck you can have him, a LT and Tigerius to fill out an entire battalions worth of HQs and get three characters all of which can contribute in a useful way.
The bodyguards are pretty decent. They are not characters so they can be focus fired, but they are pretty durable with a 2+ 3++ and 3 wounds each. Fire going into them is not going into something else so them getting shot is a pretty good deal for you. In melee they are not terrible with 4 power sword attacks at ws3+ each and their ability to soak wounds for all characters (including Guiliman) can be pretty awesome. I don't think they are a bad pick at all, but I've not played a game with them so I can't attribute any field experience to my opinion. The only thing I don't like about Calgar or his bodyguards is that I can't use them to lead my Primaris Deathwatch force.
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2019/01/08 23:32:15
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Any thoughts on equipping Crimson Fist Intercessor sergeants with Power Fists? Primaris armies seem to be more of a gunline than want to get tied up in combat.
Coming from Orks, I feel like it's only suitable that all leaders get a Klaw or Fist, but I'm not sure whether the Fist is as "guarded" as it is in a unit of 30 boys.
2019/01/10 09:32:18
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
It's not as guarded, no. Having power fists on intercessor sergeants is a good idea, but not on every squad. Like power swords, they're an afterthought, not something you plan for. I wouldn't expect to see more than 2 in my list.
I was using 6 squads in my last list with 4 swords. My expectation is that at least two squads will die outside of combat so the swords would be a waste, though which two is going to vary according to your opponent's battle plan.
I think going forward I'd like to try:
Squad with assault bolters, no sword
Squad with rifles, no sword
Squad with rifles, sword
Squad with rifles, sword
Squad with rifles, fist
Squad with stalkers, no sword
Stalkers would be at the back in an objective. Assault bolters would run forward and die
Rifles hold the middle and are the most likely to be in combat.
2019/01/10 22:44:32
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Zustiur wrote: It's not as guarded, no. Having power fists on intercessor sergeants is a good idea, but not on every squad. Like power swords, they're an afterthought, not something you plan for. I wouldn't expect to see more than 2 in my list.
I was using 6 squads in my last list with 4 swords. My expectation is that at least two squads will die outside of combat so the swords would be a waste, though which two is going to vary according to your opponent's battle plan.
I think going forward I'd like to try:
Squad with assault bolters, no sword
Squad with rifles, no sword
Squad with rifles, sword
Squad with rifles, sword
Squad with rifles, fist
Squad with stalkers, no sword
Stalkers would be at the back in an objective. Assault bolters would run forward and die
Rifles hold the middle and are the most likely to be in combat.
Nice, good points made here. So I guess I'm really just using them to fill points a bit. Are you running basically all minimum squads, like this to run a brigade?
2019/01/11 00:52:35
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
- Ancient/Apothecary combo to help alleviate deaths from overcharge (and to get extra shots in if they pop too)
- Storm of fire for utility on the mass -1AP bolt rifle shots
- librarian for buffs and denying psyker shenanigans
- Inceptors deep strikes to help whittle down screens and to bypass them completely if needed
- Redemptor dread to help with chaff clearing and to be an assault screen if required.
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