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Sanford, Fl

Here is my list for next weeks Mega battle at Sci Fi City:

HQ

Senior Officer: Bolt Pistol, Iron disciplin, power weapon:  66

Flamer X 2 12, Melta gun x 2 20: 32

Fire Support:

Auto Cannon Squad: 105

Heavy Bolter Squad: 90

Troops:

HQ:

Junior Officer, bolt pistol, power weapon, Iron disciplin 51

Melta Gun X2 20  Auto Cannon Crew 15

Squad 1: 95

1 sgt

9 troops

Plasma gun

Las Cannon

Squad 2: 95

Same as above

 

Troop 2:

Armored Fist  180

Chimera 85

Multa Laser, Heavy bolter on hull

Sgt

9 troops

Plasma gun

Las cannon

Fast Attack: 115

Hell Hound

Heavy Support

Basilisk 135

indirect fire, pinticle storm bolter and hull mounted heavy bolter

Total 999

Captain K, and others here is the list you asked for next Saturday.  I have replaced the gernade launchers and mortars as you suggested.  My basilisk is one of the older models in my collection and was modeled with the pinticle storm bolter.  Let me know if I need to make any other changes.

Warrior 50

   
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Whorelando, FL

Hey Warrior,
My comments are below:
Here is my list for next weeks Mega battle at Sci Fi City: HQ Senior Officer: Bolt Pistol, Iron disciplin, power weapon: 66 Flamer X 2 12, Melta gun x 2 20: 32

remove the flamers and meltaguns. This squad is merely here to provide leadership. They will never have range to use these. Put those points elsewhere.

Fire Support: Auto Cannon Squad: 105 Heavy Bolter Squad: 90

Add sharpshooters to these squads. With so many multishot weapons, this is the only case where SS is useful.

Troops: Junior Officer, bolt pistol, power weapon, Iron disciplin 51 Melta Gun X2 20 Auto Cannon Crew 15

Drop the Power weapon. This guy will never be able to use it. Just make it a Close combat weapon. No meltaguns. Again with a static squad they'll never use them. so why pay the points for them?

Squad 1: 95 1 sgt 9 troops Plasma gun Las Cannon Squad 2: 95 Same as above

Good choices.

Troop 2: Armored Fist 180 Chimera 85 Multa Laser, Heavy bolter on hull Sgt 9 troops Plasma gun Las cannon

Another good choice, but I would add this squad to you line squads if possible and add a meltagun to your AF squad.

Fast Attack: 115 Hell Hound

Make sure your hellhound has Pintle heavy stubber and extra armor. Anything else is a waste.

Heavy Support Basilisk 135 indirect fire, pinticle storm bolter and hull mounted heavy bolter

Drop the stormbolter. Even if it is modeled, just don't pay the points for it. Use those 10pts elsewhere.
Just my $.02
Capt K

   
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Sanford, Fl

Thanks Captain K.

I do have the Sharpshooters on the two Fire Support Squads that is why one is 105 and the other is 90.

I think I can do the some of the other changes and still have about the same points.

 

Warrior 50

   
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Sanford, Fl

The Stubber will cost 12 points and extra Armor will be 5 points.  Should I take a Standard or Medic in my Command Squad?  That would be 22 points as well.

That would leave 33 points, if I did the math right with out having the codex in front of me..

 

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Whorelando, FL

Cool man. Yeah I figured that you had SS on your support teams, I was just commenting to make sure. The list is looking good and with the tweaks it'll work well with other team members.
Capt K

   
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Whorelando, FL

Definitely take a standard if you have the points!!! Re-rolling Ld 9 is nice.
Capt K

   
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At 1000 you can do better than this.

Senior Officer: Bolt Pistol, Iron disciplin, power weapon:  66
Flamer X 2 12, Melta gun x 2 20: 32


Hideous!

Power Weapon? When's he gonna swing? Bolt Pistol? What for? And 2 Flamers and 2 Meltas? Mixed weapons that do utterly different things? And no standard?

CHQ's cost 81 points. They have a JO w/Honorifica, a Standard Bearer, Iron Discipline and that's it. Occasionally they have Camaleoline or Light Infantry, but they very rarley ever get weapons added to them. You can trim 17 points from this unit and have better Leadership Radius + a Re-Roll.

Auto Cannon Squad: 105
Heavy Bolter Squad: 90


Nearly 20% of your army in 12 men... hmm...  and why are they 10 points more? They should be 95 and 80 respectivley. What Doctrine did you take? At 1000 you can get away with an HB FS squad, maybe with a 10 point Doctrine. But not two, and especially not Autocannons.

Junior Officer, bolt pistol, power weapon, Iron disciplin 51
Melta Gun X2 20  Auto Cannon Crew 15


Another bad unit. This unit would do better with 4 Flamers, Iron Discipline and that's all. You can save another 37 points from this unit. Add that to the other 17 points and you get 54. That's 5.4% of your army, which is huge at this points level. If you ditch the Autocannons and whatever 10 point Doctrine you've got on the HB squad, you get 169, 16.9% of your entire army back (enough to buy you a second Hellhound!).

Squad 1: 95
1 sgt
9 troops
Plasma gun
Las Cannon

Squad 2: 95
Same as above


Fine.

Troop 2:
Armored Fist  180
Chimera 85
Multa Laser, Heavy bolter on hull
Sgt
9 troops
Plasma gun
Las cannon


Given the context of a mega-game, you can get away with a single Chimera. Use it as a moving shield for the Hellhound.

Fast Attack: 115
Hell Hound


Fine, but I'd use the points saved on useless upgrades in the Command Units to improve the killy-ness and protective-ness of this unit and the Chimera (Stubbers, EA, Smoke, etc.).

Basilisk 135
indirect fire, pinticle storm bolter and hull mounted heavy bolter

My basilisk is one of the older models in my collection and was modeled with the pinticle storm bolter



Then cut it off. Not only are Pintle Stormbolters horrible wastes of points, but on a Basilisk you'll never get to fire it, firstly because firing Ordnance stops you from firing it and secondly becuase you'll never have a target to fire it at! As I said, cut it off.

Total 999


Hey! Another point to spend.

So what could you do to make this list better?

You could do:

HQ w/JO & Honorifica + Iron Discipline + Standard Bearer (81)
FS Squad w/3 Autocannons + Sharpshooters + Light Infantry (115)
FS Squad w/3 Heavy Bolters + Sharpshooters + Light Infantry (100)

Platoon HQ w/JO + Iron Discipline +4 Flamers (69)
Squad w/Lascannon + Plasma Gun (95)
Squad w/Lascannon + Plasma Gun (95)

Armoured Fist w/Lascannon + Plasmagun (185)
Chimera w/Multi-Laser + Heavy Bolter + Extra Armour

Hellhound w/Extra Armour + Smoke + Pintle-Mounted Heavy Stubber (135)

Basilisk w/Indirect (125)

Total = 1000


Or maybe...

HQ w/JO & Honorifica + Iron Discipline + Standard Bearer + Bolt Pistol + Cameleoline (92)
FS Squad w/3 Heavy Bolters + Cameleoline (90)

Platoon HQ w/JO + Iron Discipline + 2 Flamers + Cameleoline (67)
Squad w/Lascannon + Plasma Gun + Cameleoline (105)
Squad w/Lascannon + Plasma Gun + Cameleoline (105)

Platoon HQ w/JO + Iron Discipline + 2 Flamers + Cameleoline (67)
Squad w/Lascannon + Plasma Gun + Cameleoline (105)
Squad w/Lascannon + Plasma Gun + Cameleoline (105)

Hellhound w/Extra Armour + Pintle-Mounted Heavy Stubber (132)
Hellhound w/Extra Armour + Pintle-Mounted Heavy Stubber (132)

Total = 1000


Or even:

HQ w/JO & Honorifica + Iron Discipline + Standard Bearer (81)
FS Squad w/3 Heavy Bolters (80)

Platoon HQ w/JO + Iron Discipline + 3 Flamers (63)
Squad w/Autocannon + Plasma Gun (85)
Squad w/Autocannon + Plasma Gun (85)

Platoon HQ w/JO + Iron Discipline + 3 Flamers (63)
Squad w/Autocannon + Plasma Gun (85)
Squad w/Autocannon + Plasma Gun (85)

Hellhound w/Extra Armour + Smoke + Searchlight (124)
Hellhound w/Extra Armour + Smoke + Searchlight (124)

Basilisk w/Indirect Fire (125)


Total = 1000


Endless possibilities. 1000 points ain't easy for Guard, but you still have a bit of freedom.

BYE


   
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Orlando, Florida

H.B.M.C, the context of the mega battle was not properly portrayed. There are some things that make it different.
Firstly, its cities of death. Also, theres a special force org. 1 HQ 2+troops 0-1 elites 0-1 fast attack 0-1 heavy support.
   
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Ok, well in the context of the mega battle then, ignore my second two lists and look at the first. That said, the other two lists are better than the first one IMO.

Alternativley, take the second or third list and substitue the Hellhound for another FS squad, or an AT squad, or Light Infantry for the squads so that they can all have Move Through Cover.

BYE

   
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Sanford, Fl

Sorry guys, but if it were up to me I would load the whole army in chimera and ride into battle behind a massive bombardment.

Believe me I can fill every slot on the force organization chart if there is not a point limit.

The event is part of the Cities of Death campaign and with the limit of 1 HQ, 2 troops, and 0-1 elite, fast attack and heavy support it does limit what the guard can do.

I hope to be on a team of 10 to 12 players playing against 10 to 12 players.  Using anyones math that could be 24,000 points on the table.

It should be fun.

Warrior 50

   
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Sanford, Fl

Capt K.

Made the changes you suggested, have to finish my new plasma guys so I can use them on Saturday.

Ended up with 8 points and one trooper short in my HQ so you know what I put in there, yes the weapon you hate, but that squad also got a heavy bolter and the army standard instead of what I had in there.

Fixed the Hellhound last night with the stubber and added the extra Armor on the list.

Have one question for you Saturday about one comment, but I think I know the answer.

If we are luck we will have lots of support for our side.

Thanks for the help.

Warrior 50

   
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Orlando, Florida

I just read a thread in the tactics section with a great idea. Put improved comms on something, that way we get to re-roll all failed preliminay bombardment rolls. Since we get 3 stratagems, we'll take preliminary bombardment, and it already works good against a 12,000 points army, but with a re-roll, it'll give the chaos army fits.
   
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Whorelando, FL

yeah I think i posted in that thread. a tasty combo. I say go for it. Capt K

   
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Sanford, Fl

Ok I have added improved Comms to one of the vehicles and will have an antenna for it.

Warrior 50

   
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Whorelando, FL

Nice. Then we will get Me_Person to roll for us again. The last time it was rather effective. Since he is the dice god's whore, we should be okay...hehe. lol

Capt K

   
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Nice Lists given by very knowledgeable peeps! However, do YOU hear the voices,too?!!! Looking forward to our battle and good luck. I will be giving the intel to my teammates.
   
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Whorelando, FL

HEhe go ahead...It will not save you..hehehe. Capt K

   
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I do not need saving... false believers of a shriveled emperor!!!! Bring on the little guardsman with their puny toys. When the battle is over I will put a wig on their leader and make him carry a purse. However, on a more serious note I am glad to see your side much better prepared and tactically sound. This time it will be much more epic(if not funny one of your side with a wig and purse!)
   
 
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