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That Malakov pose is 50 kinds of wtf. I had high hopes looking through the concept art, and THAT'S what they end up using? I wouldn't mind it so much if the arms weren't all kinds of awkward. Why's he holding his sword back like that? Why does it look like he's pressing his gun arm into his side even as it's pointed forward to shoot? Why is he taking a baby step forward?
If it's a criticism, just criticize- you don't need to compare it to another line or fanbase. For instance, I think all of the new warcaster poses look stiff and/or awkward (period).
Could it be because it's all done on CAD now? While GW and PP are making great sculpt now with CAD, CAD does seem very inorganic and more stiff.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
If it's a criticism, just criticize- you don't need to compare it to another line or fanbase. For instance, I think all of the new warcaster poses look stiff and/or awkward (period).
Could it be because it's all done on CAD now? While GW and PP are making great sculpt now with CAD, CAD does seem very inorganic and more stiff.
It could just be that you are looking at a render and not a finished product.
or the angle
personally i have no issue with ether methods of sculpting.
and even then between the two there are still good and bad sculpts.
Definitely meh on the new caster sculpts. PP's art direction really seems biased in favor of busy detail, increasingly so. It is just too much, and almost emphasizes how mediocre the posing is, as though it draws your attention to how strange the model looks compared to what a normal human might ever look like.
Davor wrote: Boob armour? Doesn't GW get flack over that? PP is indeed following the steps of GW.
Er... PP have been doing boob armour for as long as they've been doing female miniatures... This isn't something new.
No not new, but new for me to see someone doing boob armour and not get flack for it, but GW gets flack for it anytime SoB is mentioned.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
No not new, but new for me to see someone doing boob armour and not get flack for it, but GW gets flack for it anytime SoB is mentioned.
PP cop plenty of flack for their design decisions... It's just not always as immediate as GW, on account of a smaller audience.
The fact that Warmahordes is a fantasy rather than scifi(ish) setting makes a difference, as well... there's much more tolerance for impractical armour amongst fantasy fans, from my experience.
No not new, but new for me to see someone doing boob armour and not get flack for it, but GW gets flack for it anytime SoB is mentioned.
PP cop plenty of flack for their design decisions... It's just not always as immediate as GW, on account of a smaller audience.
The fact that Warmahordes is a fantasy rather than scifi(ish) setting makes a difference, as well... there's much more tolerance for impractical armour amongst fantasy fans, from my experience.
Fair enough my friend.
That said, how would a good way to get back into Hordes? I already downloaded the rule book. I take it all my old cards and faction books are no use anymore. Is there new faction books out now? Besides getting the War app 2 or what ever it's called (got it just don't feel like paying for it yet since I rather have a physical copy) what can I do or should start looking?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
The Battle Box. General consensus is the new casters are all very solid. Buy online for a discount, but even at $40 retail its a steal. The tokens and the mini rule book are great.
New faction books will come, but currently the only books with valid rules are the hardcover Prime/Primal and the softcover versions from the battle boxes. Hardcover is only needed for fluff stuff and unit entries, the full rules are in the battle box version and you can get the unit stats either from War Room or the 2016 decks.
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Davor wrote: No not new, but new for me to see someone doing boob armour and not get flack for it, but GW gets flack for it anytime SoB is mentioned.
Well, I, for one, am too busy giving them flack for their literal bikini armor, and pinup models, to give them flack about boob armor .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
If it's a criticism, just criticize- you don't need to compare it to another line or fanbase. For instance, I think all of the new warcaster poses look stiff and/or awkward (period).
Could it be because it's all done on CAD now? While GW and PP are making great sculpt now with CAD, CAD does seem very inorganic and more stiff.
GW and PP use different materials, so manufacturing plays a part in posing a model. While really dynamic poses can be achieved with resin, metal, and restic, it requires the model be cut into more pieces. More pieces means more molds and labor to produce.
No not new, but new for me to see someone doing boob armour and not get flack for it, but GW gets flack for it anytime SoB is mentioned.
PP cop plenty of flack for their design decisions... It's just not always as immediate as GW, on account of a smaller audience.
The fact that Warmahordes is a fantasy rather than scifi(ish) setting makes a difference, as well... there's much more tolerance for impractical armour amongst fantasy fans, from my experience.
Not discounting that people might give the fantasy genre a pass, but if that is the case it is silly. Scfi has a long tradition of sexually exploiting the female form so there really shouldn't be a higher tolerance for instances in one genre over the other.
If it's a criticism, just criticize- you don't need to compare it to another line or fanbase. For instance, I think all of the new warcaster poses look stiff and/or awkward (period).
Could it be because it's all done on CAD now? While GW and PP are making great sculpt now with CAD, CAD does seem very inorganic and more stiff.
GW and PP use different materials, so manufacturing plays a part in posing a model. While really dynamic poses can be achieved with resin, metal, and restic, it requires the model be cut into more pieces. More pieces means more molds and labor to produce.
So, PP being cheap essentially created those awful poses? Awesome.
Davor wrote: That said, how would a good way to get back into Hordes? I already downloaded the rule book. I take it all my old cards and faction books are no use anymore. Is there new faction books out now? Besides getting the War app 2 or what ever it's called (got it just don't feel like paying for it yet since I rather have a physical copy) what can I do or should start looking?
If you have the rulebook the only thing you need at this point are the cards for your existing miniatures. I bought my cards through the app, but I think the physical card decks are all available now ($20US MSRP each).
There are supposed to be two kinds of "faction" books coming out for v3, a "commander" book for each faction, and a set of "theme" books with special rules and bonuses for themed lists which are supposed to also introduce new miniatures for the associated faction. As I understand it, each faction will have one "commander" book but may have multiple "theme" books.
Thank you mdauben, greatly appreciate it. I am not sure what to do. Do I spend more money on cards or get a better value in the apps?
Can I print my cards from the apps? One thing I thought was great in AoS app is having everything for free. Now I miss having actual cards for AoS. So I would like something physical.
So can I print cards from the War App?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Davor wrote: Thank you mdauben, greatly appreciate it. I am not sure what to do. Do I spend more money on cards or get a better value in the apps?
Can I print my cards from the apps? One thing I thought was great in AoS app is having everything for free. Now I miss having actual cards for AoS. So I would like something physical.
So can I print cards from the War App?
There might be a way somehow but it's not a function of the app, no.
Davor wrote: Can I print my cards from the apps? One thing I thought was great in AoS app is having everything for free. Now I miss having actual cards for AoS. So I would like something physical.
The app cards cost $9US so less than half the price of the physical cards. Its up to you if that's worth forgoing the physical cards. Personally, I'm going with the app for now but I may go back and buy the physical cards at a later date if I get tired of using my phone.
As the previous poster said, there is no function in the app to print out the cards. You might be able to do a screen cap of each card, save that and then print them out. IMO it would be a lot of fuss (at least two screen caps for each card. I think most of the casters have at least four sides to do). For one or two figures it might be alright. For a whole deck I'd rather just buy the physical cards.
So, PP being cheap essentially created those awful poses? Awesome.
It's not just about being 'cheap'. Fewer pieces also mean easier assembly and more robust finished models... it's the age-old trade-off between 'gaming piece' and 'scale model'.
Ooooh ok, the Ghettorix resculpt didn't do a lot for me, but that is a big improvement over the old Megs! I think I will have to pick that up, and now I have a new excuse to not paint up mine
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