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I don't get how that was a reply to my post, though. New ideas doesn't mean they're listening to player feedback effectively, as this release shows, in my opinion. Ymmv, of course...

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Orgoth were never part of the tabletop for PP though. They were always the bogeyman of the PP world. The one thing that could get the Iron Kingdoms to stop fighting each other would be the Orgoth.

They weren't dwarves either, just humans who used soul magic.

I knew the Orgoth weren't dwarfs, I was just using the squats as a comparison, as they're probably the most famous thing GW has come right out at said "We are never making those again." Apparently they were eaten by the tyranids or something, so they still acknowledge they exist, just not during 40k era (could we still get them in 30k ).

In any case, when I started playing Warmachine in 2004, I recall some of the earlier fluff, mentioning the orgoth, and the very early colossals. But I stopped following the warmachine fluff pretty much after escalation, since it was more just character based dialogues, and I don't really get into that. I remember them saying the Colossals would be too big to use in a game, but I suppose they changed their minds on that (yes, I realize these colossals we have now are different then the originals they made)? Maybe they will for the Orgoth too.

Perhaps they could create a sub faction (sort of like the Grymkin here) which is made up of people using Orgoth tech, like the Khador Doomreavers, or some of the Cryx stuff that's been mentioned. Then it wouldn't be the 'literal' orgoth coming back, more of like an infectious 'curse' of the Orgoth.

Modern colossals aren't as big as the old ones, which were more like titan size.

New Cryx heavy warjack 'Karybdis'

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/pip34137.html

The name Karybdis still bothers me for that 'jack. I know I know
I know, Immoren isn't Ancient Greece...

 malfred wrote:
The name Karybdis still bothers me for that 'jack. I know I know
I know, Immoren isn't Ancient Greece...

I was thinking more because it follows Retribution nomenclature...

Speaking of Ret. Here's what appears to be Goreshade4.

Following that path, I predict this will be Goreshade 5.

Ruin wrote:
Speaking of Ret. Here's what appears to be Goreshade4.

Woah, massive fluff evolution for this guy I assume.

Stolen from Facebook:

FEATURES: The warcaster once known as Goreshade was an eldritch, one of a strain of abominations who fed on the spiritual essence of others and consorted with the Nightmare Empire of Cryx. Now, Lord Ghyrrshyld has been restored by the goddess Scyrah and is filled with renewed purpose. While Ghyrrshyld does not speak of what happened to restore his body, he now fights against those who imperil Scyrah, and many speak of him as being filled with the goddess’ light.

TRADE POINTS: The newest incarnation of the former Cryx warcaster Goreshade, Lord Ghyrrshyld has been returned to life by the goddess Scyrah to lead his people once more. One of the greatest masters of occult lore, Ghyrrshyld can shut down enemy magics with ease, thanks to Field Marshal [Arcane Vortex], and can return the dead to life with his Revive spell. Now a champion of the Iosan gods, Ghyrrshyld has mastered control of Nyssor’s magical blade Voass and is able to surround his army in intense cold, freezing any who dare close with them to do harm.


FEATURES: Aelyth Vyr is one of the most distinguished ryssovass ever to have watched over the mountain passes of the Shard Spires. He is the embodiment of the ryssovass tradition—a steadfast defender of his people and a merciless killer bent on ending the lives of those blighted Nyss who have forsaken their duties. With the recovery of Nyssor, Aelyth has found new purpose in overseeing and guiding the ryssovass who have flocked to Ios in aid of the Retribution.

TRADE POINTS: A champion among the Ryssovass Defenders (PIP 35077), Aelyth Vyr pairs well with all the new Nyss releases as well as with warcasters who favor strong melee solos like Elara, Death’s Shadow (PIP 35076) and Thyron, Sword of Truth (PIP 35064).

FEATURES: Through years of spiritual introspection and study, the dedicated priests of Nyssor learn to bend the elements of winter to their will. Reassured that their god Nyssor is safe and well defended, the priests have hastened to Ios to stand against those who would threaten the frozen god. No strangers to combat, these priests now take to the fight, drawing upon their mastery over winter so that they may aid their allies in the Retribution.

TRADE POINTS: As a master of winter magic, the Priest of Nyssor provides several powerful benefits to his fellow Nyss warriors, including an Elite Cadre, giving all Nyss Immunity: Cold, and a spell that grants Nyss in his command range +1 to attack rolls. This makes the Priest of Nyssor pair exceptionally well with the Ryssovass Defenders (PIP 35077), Aelyth Vyr (PIP 35086), and Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (PIP 41109).

FEATURES: Fane Knight Guardians swear oaths to protect Scyrah, her fane, and her priesthood. These knights served the ailing goddess well before the Retribution came to prominence and have joined the cause to see the goddess and the Iosan people restored. These guardians regard several of the most pious warcasters of the Retribution as champions of Scyrah, defending them as if they were extensions of the goddess. While formidable protectors, it is their devotion that lends to their tenacity and gives them strength to fight against overwhelming enemy force.

TRADE POINTS: A new Retribution warcaster attachment, the Fane Knight Guardian stands ready to protect their warcaster from any and all harm, thanks to Guard Dog, Shield Guard, and the new Total Devotion ability, which grants the Guardian +4 ARM and immunity to Knock Down while within their warcaster’s command range. At 4 points, the Fane Knight Guardian is sure to be another highly popular release for all Retribution armies.

FEATURES: House Shyeel is best known for its feats of ingenuity in the engineering and production of myrmidons. Unlike other arcane mechanics in the service of the Retribution, Shyeel arcanists are equipped to wade into battle to return impaired myrmidons to the fight. These arcanists train to master both the arcane arts and the practical skills necessary to repair the damaged mechanisms of a myrmidon under fire, manipulating kinetic force for both offense and defense.

TRADE POINTS: With access to Empower and Repair [d3+1], the three-man House Shyeel Arcanist unit is sure to become a ubiquitous support unit for warjack-centric Retribution armies.

FEATURES: The trio known as the Spears of Scyrah count among the most fanatical mage hunters in the Retribution. Worshiping Scyrah in her guise as Avenger of the Vanished, they aspire to appease the goddess by striking down those who have caused harm to the lost Iosan gods. The Spears have had many members over the centuries, starting from the first years of the Retribution’s existence, and all have accepted their mortality to serve without fear of death.

TRADE POINTS: Dauntless fighters, the Spears of Scyrah pair great with nearly every Retribution warcaster, thanks to their Shield Guard ability and a modest point cost of 9. Combined with their excellent melee attributes and Vengeance, the Spears of Scyrah are sure to be an extremely popular unit for all Retribution armies.

FEATURES: Designed for Issyria’s exclusive use and fitted with experimental technology that includes a cutting-edge arc node, Hemera magnifies the warcaster’s arcane abilities. The myrmidon wades into the thick of combat to take Issyria’s place, allowing her to guide the flow of combat more effectively without putting herself in harm’s way.

TRADE POINTS: Hemera’s Empowered Arc Node ability makes it an ideal warjack for spellslinging warcasters like Adeptis Rahn (PIP 35002), while its Mark Target ability makes it a favorite of Lord Arcanist Ossyan (PIP 35046) and Ravyn, Eternal Light (PIP 35004). When paired with its bonded warcaster Issyria, Sybil of Dawn (PIP 35058), Hemera provides its favored warcaster with a free upkeep in addition to its numerous other benefits.

FEATURES: The Nyss ryssovas were once proud defenders of the winding mountain passes of the Shard Spires. Having lost their sense of purpose after so many of their order were corrupted by Everblight, the remaining ryssovas relocated to Ios alongside their fellow refugees, where their frozen god is protected. They do not hesitate to join the Retribution of Scyrah in battle, seeing this as part of their sacred responsibility.

TRADE POINTS: The Ryssovass Defenders boast Tough and Weapon Master alongside a moderate 10/16 point cost. When led to battle by Aelyth Vyr (PIP 35086), these grim Nyss swordsmen become the bane of enemy cavalry, gaining Hard. The Ryssovass pair great with warcasters like Dawnlord Vyros (PIP 35001) and Thyron, Sword of Truth (PIP 35064).

FEATURES: The swordsmen of House Ellowuyr practice a unique traditional discipline of fighting that utilizes perfectly balanced blades and fluid movements. Employing great sweeping motions they can cleave an opponent in two and continue to the next without losing momentum, while also being able to quickly maneuver to deflect incoming projectiles with the flat of their blades. They fight at the request of Thyron, Sword of Truth, who offered the Retribution the aid of those heroic swordsmen most loyal to him.

TRADE POINTS: Swordsmen without peer, House Ellowuyr Swordsmen pair great with offensive-focused warcasters like Lord Ghyrrshyld, the Forgiven (PIP 35087), Issyria, Sybil of Dawn (PIP 35058), and Thyron, Sword of Truth (PIP 35064).

oh wow - did not see that coming - and a lot of nice goodies coming out for Ret.

Goreshade's model is not good. His hands are huge. His shoulder don't line up with where his neck should be. The armor looks weirdly mechanical. Also his face reminds me of Benedict Cumberbach.

Never been a fan of the Nyss. All the retribution other than Goreshade looks good.

I haven't been paying attention to recent releases. Any chance any of this is hard plastic or metal? Or is a load of it going to be PVC? Those infantry might be pretty bad in PVC (the last PVC stuff I got from Privateer was some Convergence stuff and I haven't bought anything from them since).

Compared with the metal Goreshade model, I like the new plastic model.
The proportions are not optimal but other than that, it looks good.

It's a pretty boring sculpt for such a huge character development.

The two new units actually look pretty nice.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Never been a fan of the Nyss. All the retribution other than Goreshade looks good.

I haven't been paying attention to recent releases. Any chance any of this is hard plastic or metal? Or is a load of it going to be PVC? Those infantry might be pretty bad in PVC (the last PVC stuff I got from Privateer was some Convergence stuff and I haven't bought anything from them since).

The Warjack Might be hard plastic, but doubtful for a single character. Far more likely a metal/resin hybrid. The ten man units are likely pvc, and the rest metal, maybe some resins parts mixed in.

Anyone else pick up the newest version of Madrak besides myself?

I'm still trying to figure out what material it was. It wasn't resin, and it wasn't the pvc junk they've used before, but a new shinier plastic that they've never used before.

As far as I know he's the only figure that's been released like that too.

The detail was quite nice though. I'd like to see them use that plastic on some other kits in the future!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Anyone else pick up the newest version of Madrak besides myself?

I'm still trying to figure out what material it was. It wasn't resin, and it wasn't the pvc junk they've used before, but a new shinier plastic that they've never used before.

As far as I know he's the only figure that's been released like that too.

The detail was quite nice though. I'd like to see them use that plastic on some other kits in the future!

It was resin, it'll just be a different mix. Resin is really variable in colour and stuff.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Following that path, I predict this will be Goreshade 5.

Spoiler:

I'm not sure you may be aware of what Mr Glitter has done in recent years; but, dude not funny.

Yes, I was of course referring to G5 becoming a peadophile, that's exactly what I was poking fun at.

Heh...I know Warmachine/Horde players don't care that much about the fluff when they're playing, but this new Goreshade is really making the trend of "we still allow former incarnations of the same character in game" pretty stupid.

But seriously, Goreshade becoming part of the Retribution AND following Scyrah? The guy who wanted to kill all the elven gods to save the souls of his people and who sacrificed litterally everything for that purpose? So what, he changed his mind because Scyrah resurrected him?

That's not character development. That's more like a complete reversal of what made the core of this character. But hey, guess they will explain that in another novel.

 Sarouan wrote:
That's not character development. That's more like a complete reversal of what made the core of this character. But hey, guess they will explain that in another novel.

IDK, I've known a couple people I'd never have expected to who "found Jesus" and basically did a personality 180... They coulda' been going for that

PP is very inconsistent with their resin mixes. I've gotten Colossals and Gargantuans that had different parts in substantially different shades of grey. So yeah, it's either metal, PVC plastic which softer and comes off the sprue, styrene plastic which is harder and comes on the sprue, or resin which is varying shades of grey with no sprue but injection plugs/points.

As far as Goreshade, will have to wait to read the full story in NQ.

Goreshade is dead to me now. :( Also +1 to his model is terrible.

 George Spiggott wrote:
Goreshade is dead to me now. :( Also +1 to his model is terrible.

Don't you mean 'alive to me now'?

What the fudge, seriously? WM and Hordes to do away with physical cards.


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I am aware this is not the end of the world. but as a father of three with two jobs, limited gaming time and an aversion to digital products, this is just another obstacle in me getting games in.

 .Mikes. wrote:
What the fudge, seriously? WM and Hordes to do away with physical cards.


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I am aware this is not the end of the world. but as a father of three with two jobs, limited gaming time and an aversion to digital products, this is just another obstacle in me getting games in.

Yup, been known for months.

I saw the way the wind was blowing and begrudgingly bought a small tablet for about £50. I suggest you do the same as the only other ways they're available is via print on demand for card stock ones or they're also available as a PDF to print off.

Makes sense in the long run if they want a living rules set, but yes I feel your annoyance.

Very annoying.

It drives me crazy. Warmachine is making all the wrong moves lately, and GW the right ones... it's like Bizarro world!

With the way they're doing errata they kind of Have to get rid of physical cards. So many of them are Already outdated.

 RiTides wrote:
It drives me crazy. Warmachine is making all the wrong moves lately, and GW the right ones... it's like Bizarro world!

Almost makes you wonder if PP is trying to set itself up for public listing on a stock market.....