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I feel pretty damn good paying 60€ for the Skaven half, I'd get 3 batches if I could but our local box splitter can't unload any Stormcast.

Somewhat anxious about not getting the rules now, both games in the box seem great. Hopefully a Spearhead "warzone" drops soon, maybe even with 2 new realms.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah stock of Leviathan is still kicking around. These starter sets are produced in insane quantities.

Myself I'll likely be hunting for the rulebook in 2 weeks when everything starts arriving for people and the stocks go up and everyone is selling off the excess parts that they don't need.

I'm going to be very very good and not buy into a new Skaven army after selling them on at the start of the year (If I keep saying that I might manage to make it true!!!)

Everything I'm saying here is purely speculation based on rumours so could be totally different but with that, there was a rumour that GW made about 200.000 Leviathan copies and 120.000 for Dominion copies.
The webstore preorder gifts GW gave out for them numbered 50.000 and 30.000 respectively.

We know that there are 23237 Token sets available as preorder gifts this time which, if its the same ratio as the last two boxes, would mean they made about 90.000 copies of Skaventide.
Of course the ratio could have changed or the numbers of produced copies for the last two could just be wrong but if the old numbers are correct 90.000 seems realistic since they made way too many Dominion copies but AoS also grew since three years ago so 3/4 of Dominion and 1/2 of 40k numbers seems about fine.

But that also means that you shouldn't expect necessarily expect Skaventide to be available for the same timespan as Dominion or Leviathan. Of course not double as fast as Leviathan just because its half the numbers as 40k is also bigger but I also wouldn't bet on it lasting as long or longer than Leviathan. Especially since Skaventide seems quite a bit more popular than Dominion as far as I can see while being assumed to have less copies if the above numbers are true

..how do we know the number of token sets, Matrindur?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Not sure it's going to sell out that fast considering leviathan never did.

Round these parts, Leviathan didn't sell out super fast at GW (who charge full price) but at shops that sell at 10-20% discount, it sold out almost immediately.

One thing I like to do is check a handful of the stores that provide stock levels. The Combat Company and Gap Games for example. When Leviathan came out, I remember seeing it go from 100's of copies to 10's of copies to sold out in a matter of minutes. I didn't actually check Skaventide at the moment of launch because I wasn't in front of my computer, but it's been sitting at ~100 copies available at TCC since the afternoon when I checked and it's still ~100 copies, so it doesn't seem to be moving copies fast.

Depends where you are i guess. I know Element was overloaded on Leviathan to such a degree it was plastered against their front page until recently. And a couple of my locals still have it piled up against a wall.

Excluding select Battleforces and the first run of Cursed City, have any AoS themed boxes truly sold out on launch?

It seems like most boxes aside from discontinued discount Start Collecting and Broken Realms boxes are still available at, or around retail or less.

Not a dig at AoS, just an honest question.

The Abraxia box sold out instantly, as did the FEC's box if memory serves. But it doesn't really matter, boxes like that seem to be slowing for all the systems. The kroot box never sold and neither did either of the new imperialis boxes by the look of it.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The Abraxia box sold out instantly, as did the FEC's box if memory serves. But it doesn't really matter, boxes like that seem to be slowing for all the systems. The kroot box never sold and neither did either of the new imperialis boxes by the look of it.

The Darkoath box is still available on the GW site. They've released the kits individually, but there's no reason to buy them, since the bundle is still there.

Something obviously went wrong with the release date on that. The general release was far too close to the launch box. It's usually a month to two months. That was like two weeks between them.

My worry with not getting this box is the possibility that GW will not print nearly enough Spearhead packs, of cards and such, and I'll be wanting to play that format and relying only on friends who have access. I just don't trust them to have product anymore.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
My worry with not getting this box is the possibility that GW will not print nearly enough Spearhead packs, of cards and such, and I'll be wanting to play that format and relying only on friends who have access. I just don't trust them to have product anymore.

They're not pushing it this hard and just going to dump it in this box. I'll bet 100% it gets a general release when the full edition launch happens in like a month.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The Abraxia box sold out instantly, as did the FEC's box if memory serves. But it doesn't really matter, boxes like that seem to be slowing for all the systems. The kroot box never sold and neither did either of the new imperialis boxes by the look of it.

The Abraxia Dawnbringers box is still available on GW's US storefront. And the FEC box was available for a looooong time. Both are available on ebay and amazon. And, yes, of course, there will always be a difference in regional stock availability so YMMV. I agree with you about the slower box sales; I haven't bought any GW product since the announcement of the last price increase, but I still check in every Saturday out of habit and aside from KT boxes (faction or value dependent) and Limited BL, nothing is really selling out in minutes like it was 1-2 years ago. Purely speculation on my part and without internal numbers we'll never know.

As others have said earlier in this thread, this box will probably sell faster and in greater numbers than Dominion simply due to Skaven, but by how much? I still think it'll be available a year from now lower than retail price, maybe not at Dominion fire sale prices, but close.

Either way, it'll still sell better than any box containing Fyreslayers

Not even killteam is immune. The current one hasn't shifted at all.

 Dysartes wrote:
..how do we know the number of token sets, Matrindur?

Its written on the GW page for Skaventide at the bottom of the description:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Not even killteam is immune. The current one hasn't shifted at all.

So what do you think is responsible? Overproduction? Lack of interest? Too many releases? Price increases? Reduced consumer purchasing power? Summer?

I think it comes down to a few things beyond GW's simultaneous reduction in value and increase in prices.


+ AoS is a specialist game that gets treated like a Flagship: GW makes the best minis in the industry and fantasy settings are popular in nerd hobbies, so it seems like a product like AoS should exist. It is the product that launched the company. Unfortunately, AoS a middling product. The models are some of the best designs in the industry, but the lore is garbage and 40K has great models, a better story, is basically the same game, and has a much larger player base. Dominion didn't sell through. Almost none of the launch boxes sell out. You can buy AoS Christmas battleforces well into April. You can get basically every WarCry expansion on Amazon at 30%+ discount. GW certainly has invested a lot to try and make it work, AoS is a rival to Horus Heresy not 40K.

+ Boring designs: The last KT box was actually a decent value relative to other releases, given that you got the GSC leadership box as a bonus. But the designs just weren't that great. Squats in leather jackets and some generic sci-fi soldiers. The terrain pieces were small cubes. They're fine designs. Totally acceptable. They're just not very exciting. Likewise, the Darkoath and FEC line troops are nicely executed versions of fantasy tropes. Exquisitely bland.

I hope a soft launch of Skaventide leads them to reconsider their apportionment of resources. I wish the effort and investment in tooling spent making those generic Soulblight bats was spent making plastic versions of the First Claw Night Lords. The generic soulblight wolf sprue could have been a Primaris Space Wolves squad. Keep AoS around, but with 12-15 factions, not 25.

I've spent thousands of dollars on AoS, Bloodbowl, WarCry, etc. so this isn't hate. The new Kroot are some of the most dynamic models GW has ever made. But the reality is that GW = Space Marines. I respect the efforts to broaden the product line but the market is sending a signal.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
My worry with not getting this box is the possibility that GW will not print nearly enough Spearhead packs, of cards and such, and I'll be wanting to play that format and relying only on friends who have access. I just don't trust them to have product anymore.

They're not pushing it this hard and just going to dump it in this box. I'll bet 100% it gets a general release when the full edition launch happens in like a month.

yes we know they are going to sell a Spearhead package. We'll see how many packs they make. I ordered it piecemeal from eBay today. Not taking any chances.

 flaherty wrote:
I think it comes down to a few things beyond GW's simultaneous reduction in value and increase in prices.


+ AoS is a specialist game that gets treated like a Flagship: GW makes the best minis in the industry and fantasy settings are popular in nerd hobbies, so it seems like a product like AoS should exist. It is the product that launched the company. Unfortunately, AoS a middling product. The models are some of the best designs in the industry, but the lore is garbage and 40K has great models, a better story, is basically the same game, and has a much larger player base. Dominion didn't sell through. Almost none of the launch boxes sell out. You can buy AoS Christmas battleforces well into April. You can get basically every WarCry expansion on Amazon at 30%+ discount. GW certainly has invested a lot to try and make it work, AoS is a rival to Horus Heresy not 40K.

+ Boring designs: The last KT box was actually a decent value relative to other releases, given that you got the GSC leadership box as a bonus. But the designs just weren't that great. Squats in leather jackets and some generic sci-fi soldiers. The terrain pieces were small cubes. They're fine designs. Totally acceptable. They're just not very exciting. Likewise, the Darkoath and FEC line troops are nicely executed versions of fantasy tropes. Exquisitely bland.

I hope a soft launch of Skaventide leads them to reconsider their apportionment of resources. I wish the effort and investment in tooling spent making those generic Soulblight bats was spent making plastic versions of the First Claw Night Lords. The generic soulblight wolf sprue could have been a Primaris Space Wolves squad. Keep AoS around, but with 12-15 factions, not 25.

I've spent thousands of dollars on AoS, Bloodbowl, WarCry, etc. so this isn't hate. The new Kroot are some of the most dynamic models GW has ever made. But the reality is that GW = Space Marines. I respect the efforts to broaden the product line but the market is sending a signal.

The big sign I see is that GW relentless updates of rules and models means people dont feel like they got a special deal or box and most will change in 3 years. If there is no time for you to sync in with the new army why get the new army. Why chase the new edition if you can take a small 3 year break and catch up with the previous unpainted box sets... add to the fact that they recently discontinued a huge part of Stormcast and you got a lot of people just not that exited for a new edition and new Stormcast... At leasts thats how I feel.

 flaherty wrote:
I think it comes down to a few things beyond GW's simultaneous reduction in value and increase in prices.


+ AoS is a specialist game that gets treated like a Flagship: GW makes the best minis in the industry and fantasy settings are popular in nerd hobbies, so it seems like a product like AoS should exist. It is the product that launched the company. Unfortunately, AoS a middling product. The models are some of the best designs in the industry, but the lore is garbage and 40K has great models, a better story, is basically the same game, and has a much larger player base. Dominion didn't sell through. Almost none of the launch boxes sell out. You can buy AoS Christmas battleforces well into April. You can get basically every WarCry expansion on Amazon at 30%+ discount. GW certainly has invested a lot to try and make it work, AoS is a rival to Horus Heresy not 40K.

+ Boring designs: The last KT box was actually a decent value relative to other releases, given that you got the GSC leadership box as a bonus. But the designs just weren't that great. Squats in leather jackets and some generic sci-fi soldiers. The terrain pieces were small cubes. They're fine designs. Totally acceptable. They're just not very exciting. Likewise, the Darkoath and FEC line troops are nicely executed versions of fantasy tropes. Exquisitely bland.

I hope a soft launch of Skaventide leads them to reconsider their apportionment of resources. I wish the effort and investment in tooling spent making those generic Soulblight bats was spent making plastic versions of the First Claw Night Lords. The generic soulblight wolf sprue could have been a Primaris Space Wolves squad. Keep AoS around, but with 12-15 factions, not 25.

I've spent thousands of dollars on AoS, Bloodbowl, WarCry, etc. so this isn't hate. The new Kroot are some of the most dynamic models GW has ever made. But the reality is that GW = Space Marines. I respect the efforts to broaden the product line but the market is sending a signal.

Well that's an incredible amount of garbage.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Depends where you are i guess. I know Element was overloaded on Leviathan to such a degree it was plastered against their front page until recently. And a couple of my locals still have it piled up against a wall.

Yeah, location dependent obviously. I don't think I've seen a copy of Leviathan in a shop in Australia since it launched, and the two places I mentioned in my post are the biggest online retailers for wargames in Australia, combined they had at least 1500 copies of Leviathan.

At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Thing is you can't compare 40K to anything really. It's the outlier, not the standard.

People usually get angry and dissapointed at boxes selling out quickly.
Now the discussion sounds like boxes still in stock is an embarrasing failure for GW, and a game throwing a party that no other kids show up to.

Beeing able to buy their product is not a bad thing, remember.

 flaherty wrote:
+ AoS is a specialist game that gets treated like a Flagship: GW makes the best minis in the industry and fantasy settings are popular in nerd hobbies, so it seems like a product like AoS should exist. It is the product that launched the company.

...you do understand the concept of linear time, right?

 Fayric wrote:


Beeing able to buy their product is not a bad thing, remember.

Exactly. I'm of the mind set these big sets should always be available with push fits easy builds, alongside some more complex multipart individual regiment boxes. They are amazing entry bundles.

 Fayric wrote:
People usually get angry and dissapointed at boxes selling out quickly.
Now the discussion sounds like boxes still in stock is an embarrasing failure for GW, and a game throwing a party that no other kids show up to.

Beeing able to buy their product is not a bad thing, remember.

I'm looking specifically at stock levels and how fast that stock is moving rather than "has it sold out". Whether or not it sells out is dependent on how many GW made.

Obviously we want to be able to buy stock, but if there's X copies sitting at one of the largest online stores and a week later there's X-10, it's not really indicating a great popularity.

A large part of what makes GW good is ubiquity, a GW game that doesn't have ubiquity isn't as appealing as there's a bunch of non-GW games out there if you don't mind playing a game that doesn't have a massive community.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Obviously we want to be able to buy stock, but if there's X copies sitting at one of the largest online stores and a week later there's X-10, it's not really indicating a great popularity.

I just think you are all too much intoxicated with this FOMO thing dude. I mean Overall popularity means nothing if you play in a region that its very popular. Likewise imagine an area that does not care about AoS and the game sells out worldwide in 5 minutes suggesting its super popular, again means nothing for them.

We dont know the stocks or sales numbers only GW does... we can have fun speculating but theres a lot more to establishing the popularity of a game just by looking at stocks of online stores... just saying.

I bet any competitor would call their games a massive hit if they reached a tiny small fraction of AoS Sales.

Not selling out immediately its a good thing for any game! means people can engage at different time frames and dont need to have this FOMO mentality.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Now that we have The Old World we can acknowledge again that AoS is trash and go back to the beloved old setting.

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

 Geifer wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Now that we have The Old World we can acknowledge again that AoS is trash and go back to the beloved old setting.

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

Given that the 'legacy' factions can only get models from Age of Sigmar, you'd think the existence of Old World would HELP its sales...

 Dysartes wrote:

 flaherty wrote:
+ AoS is a specialist game that gets treated like a Flagship: GW makes the best minis in the industry and fantasy settings are popular in nerd hobbies, so it seems like a product like AoS should exist. It is the product that launched the company.

...you do understand the concept of linear time, right?

Apologies, I meant that fantasy miniatures were what put the company on the map, not AoS in particular.

My point is that their self-conception as a company is one that has a market-leading sci-fi and fantasy game offering when the reality is that they have a wildly popular sci-fi IP, a moderately popular fantasy video game IP, and a middling fantasy miniatures game.

 Geifer wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Now that we have The Old World we can acknowledge again that AoS is trash and go back to the beloved old setting.

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

Good thing that beloved old setting sold so well and didn't end up getting cancelled. Oh wait..