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Possibly for price speculation purposes?

Rackham made a couple of starter boxes for Confrontation 3 towards the end of its days, each with 2 boxes of metal miniatures, which sounds a bit like this.

Can't think of anything still in production though.

 sing your life wrote:
So, is Operation Icestorm the only 2 player starter box for a miniature game currently available using full metal?

Heavy Gear has a completely metal starter and the line (except for larger vehicles the size of tags and such) is exclusively metal.

I believe so. At least for Sci Fi. CB knows metal very well.

The Reverend-Healer does not resemble either Custodier or Moira. Really nice artwork. The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?

Is the Securitate just as ugly as always under that helmet? If so, I too love that helmet

Edit: everywhere.

 warboss wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
So, is Operation Icestorm the only 2 player starter box for a miniature game currently available using full metal?

Heavy Gear has a completely metal starter and the line (except for larger vehicles the size of tags and such) is exclusively metal.

I'm sniffing a bit of under-bridge lurking nefarious activity from a large and smelly creature from European folk-lore as the motivation for asking that question, but I will add another to the list - the Judge Dredd starter set from Warlord Games is all-metal.

 Red Harvest wrote:
The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?

AD deployment is a lot easier for new players to grasp than TO camo

That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that? Damn, they're really wanting me to play Tunguska whenever it comes out now aren't they. Very cool, and the two pistols are rather dashing.

I'll probably have to get this for sure now. It has everything in the vanilla Nomad starter but the zero, and I've already got one of those anyway, and new (hopefully more appealing) sculpts for the line infantry and HI who can also team up with my recently ordered Kaplans.

Not to mention I've been wanting to paint an ORC for a while.

 Kalamadea wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?

AD deployment is a lot easier for new players to grasp than TO camo

And yet there's a Spektr(TO Camo) in the box.

 Kalamadea wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?

AD deployment is a lot easier for new players to grasp than TO camo

TO camo is as easy to understand as regular camo, it is just -6 to BS instead of -3, and a few other minor things. Hidden Deployment , OTOH, can be as much a pain as AD: 1-3. You do not need to use hidden deployment with TO Camo.

I was speaking as an ASA player. A new Akalis in the starter box is irksome because I may just want to get that mini, without all the rest... Oh, who am I kidding? I'll probably get this Icestorm anyway.

I know nothing of Pan-O, I wouldn't be particularly attached to mine if it came to that.

 Red Harvest wrote:


Is the Securitate just as ugly as always under that helmet? If so, I too love that helmet

As a painter who tried making the Securitate's face more beautiful than it actually is, I salute this comment.

I really tried making her cuter. I really did.



As for the ORCs though, they're one of the old sculpts that has aged really really REALLY well. If I was a PanO player I wouldn't mind if they don't get new sculpts at all.

 GrimDork wrote:
That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that?

Unless we have concept art with Securitate wearing those helmets, I seriously doubt that that's what the front unit in the Icestorm picture is.

Kanluwen, from what did you draw the conclusion that the frontmost dude is Securitate? Was the listing posted somewhere or is that your own conclusion?

The concepts I've seen so far had boxy hats, not helmets. It also lacks the shoulder-lantern thingy in the existing Securitate concept art (which concept may have been superceded, but was good enough that I would guess they kept it).

Looks a lot more like a Zero, but with the Prowler that'd be a lot of camo on one side. Whatever the unit actually is, it's dual-wielding pistols (assault pistols maybe?), which is interesting.

Huh, interesting. Either way, he looks rather cool, and I'm curious as to what he'll be doing with the brace of pistols.

That Suryat miniature is damn cool!

 Savnock wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that?

Unless we have concept art with Securitate wearing those helmets, I seriously doubt that that's what the front unit in the Icestorm picture is.

Kanluwen, from what did you draw the conclusion that the frontmost dude is Securitate? Was the listing posted somewhere or is that your own conclusion?

The concepts I've seen so far had boxy hats, not helmets. It also lacks the shoulder-lantern thingy in the existing Securitate concept art (which concept may have been superceded, but was good enough that I would guess they kept it).

Looks a lot more like a Zero, but with the Prowler that'd be a lot of camo on one side. Whatever the unit actually is, it's dual-wielding pistols (assault pistols maybe?), which is interesting.

Heh...I register to coment on that one.

It dosnt look like Securitate at all(that first guy from Icestorm), and there are only 2 models having Assault Pistols in profile(Morlock and Wildcat with HRL) so new profile for existing mini or new mini.

Btw I dig that concept for Securitate, looks good and nomad.

 Savnock wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that?

Unless we have concept art with Securitate wearing those helmets, I seriously doubt that that's what the front unit in the Icestorm picture is.

Kanluwen, from what did you draw the conclusion that the frontmost dude is Securitate? Was the listing posted somewhere or is that your own conclusion?

My own conclusion.

A large part of it comes from the fact that according to an interview they did last week mentioned how they "wanted each mission of the campaign to introduce new elements, gradually, to the game and be a learning experience for new players". As it stands right now?
We have Aerial Deployment from the Akali, we have Multispectral Visor from the Nisse, we have Thermal-Optic Camouflage and Infiltrator from the Spektr, seemingly we might have Doctor from the two characters("Father-Knight" of a specific Order, namely the Hospitaller and a "Reverend Healer"), and you could easily introduce Link Teams since there are 3 Fusiliers and 3 Alguaciles.

The only component of the game which is important to learn would be Hacking and potentially Repeaters--both of which Securitate would deliver, which would also be a 'soft counter' to the Akalis(you can Hack AD) and/or the ORC in the same way that MSV L1(which is said to be getting a significant buff against TO Camo) on the Nisse could potentially be a counter to the Spektr.

Add to it that at best guess (figuring in a Securitate Hacker), the Nomad list comes out to 138 points and .5 SWC for the six models that we know. The PanO list comes out to 1.5 SWC (Nisse with MSR) 134 points. Something about it feels right.

The concepts I've seen so far had boxy hats, not helmets. It also lacks the shoulder-lantern thingy in the existing Securitate concept art (which concept may have been superceded, but was good enough that I would guess they kept it).

It has been. The concepts you posted are waaaay old.


That is the most recent, confirmed "design sketch" we have of the new Securitate.

Looks a lot more like a Zero, but with the Prowler that'd be a lot of camo on one side. Whatever the unit actually is, it's dual-wielding pistols (assault pistols maybe?), which is interesting.

Doesn't really mean anything. It's just "cool art" as far as I can tell, since that Fusilier chick in the background is toting a Spitfire(which they can't do now).

Also there is no Prowler or Zero in there. That is a Spektr, Tunguska's signature TO Camo Infiltrator.

Now, certainly it could be something new but we've been given a hard number of "three new profiles in the box". The Father-Knight and Reverend Healer are two of those, at the least, leaving just one slot for something else. Depending upon what they are counting as "new" or if the VIP/nonaffiliated model is getting rules of its own.

There's always the chance that it is a Grenzer, the new Tunguska Skirmisher(we know it has MSV L1, that's it)...but as I said this feels right.

That's some pretty old concept art that Savnok posted, from years ago. It's like seeing the new Kum riders and arguing that it couldn't be possibly be Kum riders because kum ride monocycles. CB has proven that they're OK with revising the look of models if they think it improves them.

Hate to agree with Kan, but he makes some pretty solid arguments here

Hmmm. I can see the list-balance argument, but the appearance isn't anywhere near the pretty-well-established Securitate concepts: so a new unit is more likely.

It does look a bit like the crouching female zero with the E/Mauler or whatever it is in her hand, as well as the Zero hacker. Two eyes in the otherwise-smooth mask, etc. That's the possible Zero I was talking about. The chest armor is different though as are the magazines near the waist... and it's got the Tron-y bits that seem to be more common on the new Tunguska minis. Hmmm.

Tangent: As for MSV1 getting a buff against TO Camo: that's interesting. Is that for a public source we might read? Not a great move for balance IMO, and I say that as a guy who has largely foregone MSV2 in favor of MSV1s whenever possible. Intuitive Attack is already a great option for lower-tech forces (which tend to have lots of chainrifles) to use to deal with TO.

Hmm assault pistols sound right for a skirmisher or some kind. Maybe. Certainly intrigued to see how this develops.

 Inanimate wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I have 2 questions about this guy. 1)He's got the HMG, does that mean he'll be replacing the existing HMG Suryat figure? 2)Back to being on a 25mm base?

1) Yes.

2) It was never not on 25 mm? Are you mixing up Sogarat and Suryat?

You know what? That's exactly what I did. I mistook him for the Sogarat. I do really like him though. I ought to buy one. I'm curious to see how the Vulcan Shotgun turns out.

As for Operation: Icestorm, holy crap! Those all look neat. I'm loving the new look for the Securitate. I hope the actual miniature is dual wielding pistols like the artwork. I also hope that we see some of those new designs make their way into blisters or troop boxes.

I find it interesting that the new Mobile Brigada looks an awful lot like the Iguana pilot. I liked the old design for the Mobile Brigada, but this new one looks way cooler.

Hopefully this new Spektr will actually be in a decent pose, unlike the other ones.

I'm liking the new ORC and the new Rao-styled Akali. The Nisses I don't care that much about, nor the Fusilier. What's the blonde girl supposed to be though? She's got a Spitfire, so I doubt she's supposed to be a Fusilier.

Man, I want units from both sides, but I'm likely going to be splitting the set with either Tambulaine if I can talk him into it or my cousin.

 Savnock wrote:
Hmmm. I can see the list-balance argument, but the appearance isn't anywhere near the pretty-well-established Securitate concepts: so a new unit is more likely.

That's the problem...the "well-established Securitate concept" is dead. We have it confirmed that the art I linked is for the Securitate.

Tangent: As for MSV1 getting a buff against TO Camo: that's interesting. Is that for a public source we might read? Not a great move for balance IMO, and I say that as a guy who has largely foregone MSV2 in favor of MSV1s whenever possible. Intuitive Attack is already a great option for lower-tech forces (which tend to have lots of chainrifles) to use to deal with TO.

It was offhandedly mentioned in the interview they did with BoW, I believe.


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 Barzam wrote:

I find it interesting that the new Mobile Brigada looks an awful lot like the Iguana pilot. I liked the old design for the Mobile Brigada, but this new one looks way cooler.

That's intentional.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Savnock wrote:
Hmmm. I can see the list-balance argument, but the appearance isn't anywhere near the pretty-well-established Securitate concepts: so a new unit is more likely.

That's the problem...the "well-established Securitate concept" is dead. We have it confirmed that the art I linked is for the Securitate.

The artwork you linked is still part of the same "well-established Securitate concept". You know, the one with the hat. Not a smooth faceplate. That one. The only one to date, which has been the same from the old box through the various stages we each cited.

Although the prominent earpiece/mic miiiiiight also play to the Securitate thing. The duster and the gunfighter stance too... So who knows.

I really don't think it's Securitate. We'll see if a few days, probably. This probably calls for a bet of a beverage at a national Infinity event, though

Heh, I thought you were referring to the jumpsuit.

I don't think Corvus Belli is really going to be too fussed about the hat. After all look at the old PanO starter and the Fusilier with the half-opened helmet.

There is some talk in the spanish forum saying that the double pistol guy is either a "Grenzer" (Black Hand guy) or a Criza/kriza Borac (Tunguskan MI) so that all four Nomad sectorials appear in the starter

pd: Oh, and hello to everyone

Have CB confirmed Black hand? Last I heard they were being rolled into Tunguska like the Church was rolled into Bakunin.

I'm pretty sure I've heard something (maybe in the Ficzone interviews?) about the Grenzers being a Black Hand LI and the Criza/Kriza Boracs being the Tunguska MI, I'm not saying that Black Hand will have its own sectorial but that the double pistol guy may be a Black Hand (also, the church is also in the box so maybe CB is aiming at having all nomad sub-factions in the box? I dont know)


EDIT: Okay, looks like I got everything wrong, Grenzers are the Tunguskan MI (and they get MV1 which has been told to be better after N3) and Criza/Kriza Boraks are the only confirmed Black Hand unit (and we only know the name).

2nd EDIT: Oh and all of this info comes from Ashep (a guy in the spanish forum) who ambushed Bostria in Telepizza afer the first round of the tourney and bombarded him with all kinds of questions about Tunguska.

The blonde girl's gun really NOT look like the new design of the spitfire
maybe its an glue gun ! please please please :p

Who knows when they come up with the design. I wouldn't grow any hope for PanOceania getting anything new, besides yet another religious knight in heavy armour.

But I hate those stupid knight in heavy armour

 aldo wrote:
There is some talk in the spanish forum saying that the double pistol guy is either a "Grenzer" (Black Hand guy) or a Criza/kriza Borac (Tunguskan MI) so that all four Nomad sectorials appear in the starter

pd: Oh, and hello to everyone

Kriza Borac are Heavy Infantry and were said to have Black Hand ties.

Grenzer were, as of the last info dump we got about them, Tunguskan LI.

So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?